<script data-pm-proxy="intercept"></script><?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" version="2.0" xmlns:itunes="http://www.itunes.com/dtds/podcast-1.0.dtd" xmlns:googleplay="http://www.google.com/schemas/play-podcasts/1.0"><channel><title><![CDATA[Curt Jaimungal]]></title><description><![CDATA[Exploring theoretical physics, consciousness, AI, and God, rigorously and playfully. Members get every episode days early.]]></description><link>https://curtjaimungal.substack.com</link><image><url>https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Yb4t!,w_256,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F14ed12e7-e255-4cb1-98a3-27e29a19ca1f_1280x1280.png</url><title>Curt Jaimungal</title><link>https://curtjaimungal.substack.com</link></image><generator>Substack</generator><lastBuildDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2026 10:05:21 GMT</lastBuildDate><atom:link href="/__u/curtjaimungal.substack.com/feed" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml"/><copyright><![CDATA[Curt Jaimungal]]></copyright><language><![CDATA[en]]></language><webMaster><![CDATA[curt.jaimungal@substack.com]]></webMaster><itunes:owner><itunes:email><![CDATA[curt.jaimungal@substack.com]]></itunes:email><itunes:name><![CDATA[Curt Jaimungal]]></itunes:name></itunes:owner><itunes:author><![CDATA[Curt Jaimungal]]></itunes:author><googleplay:owner><![CDATA[curt.jaimungal@substack.com]]></googleplay:owner><googleplay:email><![CDATA[curt.jaimungal@substack.com]]></googleplay:email><googleplay:author><![CDATA[Curt Jaimungal]]></googleplay:author><itunes:block><![CDATA[Yes]]></itunes:block><item><title><![CDATA[The Experience Is Real. But Is God?]]></title><description><![CDATA[On prayer, attention, and the space between real and not real&#8230;]]></description><link>https://curtjaimungal.substack.com/p/the-experience-is-real-but-is-god</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://curtjaimungal.substack.com/p/the-experience-is-real-but-is-god</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Curt Jaimungal]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2026 21:36:50 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.substack.com/feed/podcast/213613141/e46d761dc981ddbf1d774874779c69c8.mp3" length="0" type="audio/mpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On YouTube, the second lecture with <a href="https://youtu.be/XVZzuIUZveg">Tim Maudlin was released on EPR</a>&#8230; But for today, this one here on Substack is about how an invisible God comes to feel present to someone who prays. It is not about whether God exists.</p><p><strong>Tanya Luhrmann</strong> is the Albert Ray Lang Professor of Anthropology at Stanford. Her fieldwork has covered ritual magicians in England, homeless and psychotic women on the streets of Chicago, and evangelical Christians who train themselves to hear God speak back. <em>When God Talks Back</em> was a New York Times Notable Book of the Year and won the $100,000 Grawemeyer Award in Religion. She is currently writing a book called <em>Voices</em>.</p><p>We cover:</p><ul><li><p><strong>Why the college class that most disturbs a young believer&#8217;s faith often isn&#8217;t biology</strong></p></li><li><p><strong>Two phrases Tanya keeps separate: &#8220;is real&#8221; and &#8220;feels real&#8221;</strong></p></li><li><p><strong>Tanya: &#8220;I&#8217;m guessing that Sam Harris may be more committed to not being religious than many people who sit in a church pew are committed to God being real.&#8221;</strong></p></li><li><p><strong>Gandalf, Middle-earth, and how people hold fict&#8230;</strong></p></li></ul>
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   ]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Tim Maudlin: Quantum Nonlocality Explained FROM SCRATCH]]></title><description><![CDATA[SPONSORS: - Go to https://www.plaud.ai/curt and use the promo code "CURT" to get a Plaud device today - Visit https://mod.com for a free consultation and get 10% off your first order PLUS free shipping with promo code TOE.]]></description><link>https://curtjaimungal.substack.com/p/tim-maudlin-quantum-nonlocality-explained-453</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://curtjaimungal.substack.com/p/tim-maudlin-quantum-nonlocality-explained-453</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Curt Jaimungal]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2026 16:07:00 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.substack.com/feed/podcast/213570772/fc383e4cf33526b841734be9d18b756e.mp3" length="0" type="audio/mpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SPONSORS: - Go to https://www.plaud.ai/curt and use the promo code "CURT" to get a Plaud device today - Visit https://mod.com for a free consultation and get 10% off your first order PLUS free shipping with promo code TOE. - I personally subscribe to The Economist. TOE listeners get 35% off the annual subscription. No other podcast has this! https://economist.com/TOE This is Part Two of the previous lecture with Tim Maudlin (which went obscenely viral). It is the one with Bell's theorem in it. Maudlin traces how David Bohm's reframing of EPR using particle spin opened the door for Bell's 1964 proof, walked through step by step with a simple chart of coin flips: any theory ruling out "spooky action at a distance" must be deterministic, and no such local theory can match quantum mechanics's actual statistics. We cover common misreadings of Bell &#8212; that he assumed determinism (he didn't) and that his "free variables" require free will (they don't) &#8212; and close with the 1989 GHZ experiment, a cleaner, fully deterministic version of the same proof. Along the way: why Einstein's real objection was locality, not indeterminism, and why Maudlin calls the death of locality the most astonishing proof in the history of physics. Part Three is still to come. Stay tuned. FOLLOW: - Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4gL14b92xAErofYQA7bU4e - Substack: https://curtjaimungal.substack.com/subscribe - Twitter: https://twitter.com/TOEwithCurt - Discord Invite: https://discord.com/invite/kBcnfNVwqs - Crypto: https://nowpayments.io/donation/TOE - PayPal: https://www.paypal.com/donate?hosted_button_id=XUBHNMFXUX5S4 TIMESTAMPS: - 00:00 - EPR Completeness Criterion - 05:25 - Einstein&#8217;s Reality Criterion - 10:40 - Locality Implies Determinism - 16:20 - Bohm&#8217;s Spin Reformulation - 22:40 - Entangled Spin States - 27:40 - Stern-Gerlach and Quantization - 34:40 - Infinite Experimental Orientations - 41:00 - Heisenberg Uncertainty in Spin - 47:15 - The Singlet State Symmetry - 57:40 - Einstein vs. Copenhagen - 01:02:40 - Pilot Wave Theory Ontology - 01:11:30 - Configuration Space vs. Reality - 01:23:40 - Von Neumann&#8217;s "Foolish" Proof - 01:31:45 - Eliminating the Observer - 01:41:15 - Kochen-Specker and Contextuality - 01:51:15 - Contrapositive Logic of EPR - 02:03:10 - Offset Angles and Statistics - 02:14:00 - Bell&#8217;s Mathematical Impossibility - 02:20:00 - The 75% Disagreement Proof - 02:31:00 - Many Worlds Non-Locality - 02:37:15 - Statistical Independence Assumption - 02:42:50 - Free Will Red Herring - 02:54:40 - GHZ Three-Particle Entanglement - 03:03:30 - Mermin&#8217;s Cocktail Napkin Proof - 03:11:30 - Superdeterminism and Matrix Loopholes LINKS MENTIONED: - Tim Maudlin [Part 1]: https://youtu.be/9R0wrBpafYI - Can Quantum-Mechanical Description of Physical Reality Be Considered Complete? [Paper]: https://www.drchinese.com/David/EPR.pdf - A Suggested Interpretation of the Quantum Theory in Terms of "Hidden" Variables [Paper]: https://journals.aps.org/pr/abstract/10.1103/PhysRev.85.166 - On the Einstein Podolsky Rosen Paradox [Paper]: https://journals.aps.org/ppf/pdf/10.1103/PhysicsPhysiqueFizika.1.195 - On the Problem of Hidden Variables in Quantum Mechanics [Paper]: https://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/scientists/bell/Bell_1966.pdf - Free Variables and Local Causality [Paper]: https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/abs/speakable-and-unspeakable-in-quantum-mechanics/free-variables-and-local-causality/EDDC5F294953B3AD140753BE20B67ADE - Bertlmann's Socks [Paper]: https://csclub.uwaterloo.ca/~pbarfuss/Bertlmann'sSocks.pdf - Mathematical Foundations of Quantum Mechanics [Book]: https://amazon.com/dp/0691028931?tag=toe08-20 - Bohmian Mechanics: https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/qm-bohm/ - Quantum Reality [Book]: https://amazon.com/dp/0385235690?tag=toe08-20 - The Free Will Theorem [Paper]: https://arxiv.org/pdf/quant-ph/0604079v1 - Bell's Inequality: https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/bell-theorem/ - Quantum Theory [Book]: https://amazon.com/dp/0486659690?tag=toe08-20 - Stern-Gerlach Experiment: https://www.britannica.com/science/Stern-Gerlach-experiment - Entanglement: https://etneil.github.io/grad_qm_lec_notes/entanglement.html - A Simple Proof of the Kochen-Specker Theorem [Paper]: https://arxiv.org/pdf/0801.4931 - David Mermin's Papers: https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=BqqUJzIAAAAJ - Relativity [Book]: https://amazon.com/dp/1520639996?tag=toe08-20 More links at https://curtjaimungal.substack.com Guests do not pay to appear. #science</p><p>Learn more about your ad choices. Visit <a href="https://megaphone.fm/adchoices">megaphone.fm/adchoices</a></p>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Every Guest Who’s Been on Theories of Everything]]></title><description><![CDATA[You may want to bookmark this]]></description><link>https://curtjaimungal.substack.com/p/every-guest-whos-been-on-theories</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://curtjaimungal.substack.com/p/every-guest-whos-been-on-theories</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Curt Jaimungal]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2026 13:51:11 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!C-_h!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc0b7fbaa-ba8e-4676-9eec-0d0fd24c52b6_2205x1324.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sometimes people say &#8220;Curt, I think you should interview Joscha Bach&#8221; and I&#8217;m like &#8220;man&#8230; I&#8217;ve spoken to him <em>several</em> times on the channel!&#8221; The catalogue of TOE is quite massive so I thought an alphabetically ordered list would be useful. </p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!C-_h!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc0b7fbaa-ba8e-4676-9eec-0d0fd24c52b6_2205x1324.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!C-_h!, /__u/curtjaimungal.substack.com/w_424, /__u/curtjaimungal.substack.com/c_limit, /__u/curtjaimungal.substack.com/f_webp, /__u/curtjaimungal.substack.com/q_auto:good, /__u/curtjaimungal.substack.com/fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc0b7fbaa-ba8e-4676-9eec-0d0fd24c52b6_2205x1324.png 424w, /__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!C-_h!, 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4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>Here is every guest who has appeared on <em><strong><a href="https://youtube.com/TheoriesOfEverything">Theories of Everything</a> </strong></em>podcast. 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Manchak</a></strong></em> on <strong>Unknowability Theorems in General Relativity</strong></p></li><li><p><em><strong><a href="https://youtu.be/7oWip00iXbo">Jacob Barandes</a></strong></em> on <strong>Indivisible Stochastic Processes</strong> (also with <strong><a href="https://youtu.be/MTD8xkbiGis">Manolis Kellis</a></strong>, <strong><a href="https://youtu.be/5rbC3XZr9-c">Scott Aaronson</a></strong>, <strong><a href="https://youtu.be/rw1ewLJUgOg">Emily Adlam</a></strong>; and on <strong><a href="https://youtu.be/YaS1usLeXQM">Indivisible Stochastic Processes and Philosophical Physics</a></strong>, <strong><a href="https://youtu.be/wrUvtqr4wOs">Bell&#8217;s Theorem and Nonlocality</a></strong>, <strong><a href="https://youtu.be/gEK4-XtMwro">The Markovian Assumption</a></strong>)</p></li><li><p><em><strong><a href="https://youtu.be/6uIJdXmB4vE">Jacob Tsimerman</a></strong></em> on <strong>AI and the Future of Mathematical Research</strong></p></li><li><p><em><strong><a href="https://youtu.be/NV7BQZy1A6o">James Robert Brown</a></strong></em> on <strong>Thought Experiments in Physics</strong></p></li><li><p><em><strong><a href="https://youtu.be/kvFIMT6P6Ao">Janna Levin</a></strong></em> on <strong>Klein Bottle Compactification</strong></p></li><li><p><em><strong><a href="https://youtu.be/VFpHk9WqCrY">Jeffrey Mishlove</a></strong></em> on <strong>Parapsychology and the Experimental Study of Psi</strong></p></li><li><p><em><strong><a href="https://youtu.be/7kvXihDAOi0">Jenann Ismael</a></strong></em> on <strong>Free Will and Determinism</strong></p></li><li><p><em><strong><a href="https://youtu.be/CWZVMZ9Tm7Q">Jennifer Nagel</a></strong></em> on <strong>Epistemology and the Nature of Knowledge</strong></p></li><li><p><em><strong><a href="https://youtu.be/Bj4Ra75vvTc">Jenny Wagner</a></strong></em> on <strong>Gravitational Lensing</strong></p></li><li><p><em><strong><a href="https://youtu.be/X6SFJkVmD90">Jesse Michels</a></strong></em> on <strong>Perennialism and Ways of Knowing</strong></p></li><li><p><em><strong><a href="https://youtu.be/dG_uKJx6Lpg">John Donoghue</a></strong></em> on <strong>Effective Field Theory and Quantum Gravity</strong></p></li><li><p><em><strong><a href="https://youtu.be/_vgUDDvPxFc">John Moffat</a></strong></em> on <strong>Modified Gravity</strong> and <strong>Alternatives to Dark Matter</strong></p></li><li><p><em><strong><a href="https://youtu.be/Tghl6aS5A3M">John Norton</a></strong></em> on <strong>Indeterminism in Newtonian Mechanics</strong></p></li><li><p><em><strong><a href="https://youtu.be/3p8o3-7mvQc">John Vervaeke</a></strong></em> on the <strong>Meaning Crisis</strong> and <strong>Four Kinds of Knowing</strong> (also with <strong><a href="https://youtu.be/UWcTmeAs44I">Bernardo Kastrup (Meta-Consciousness)</a></strong>, <strong><a href="https://youtu.be/zw6BFDJ765w">Bernardo Kastrup (Mind Uploading)</a></strong>, <strong><a href="https://youtu.be/rK7ux_JhHM4">Joscha Bach</a></strong>, <strong><a href="https://youtu.be/XzT4tcC-aag">Iain McGilchrist</a></strong>, <strong><a href="https://youtu.be/EwTpdCVsttI">Donald Hoffman</a></strong>; and on <strong><a href="https://youtu.be/GVj1KYGyesI">Relational Ontology</a></strong>)</p></li><li><p><em><strong><a href="https://youtu.be/80f47smhYEI">Jonathan Blow</a></strong></em> on <strong>Video Games as Systems for Understanding</strong></p></li><li><p><em><strong><a href="https://youtu.be/ioXwL-c1RXQ">Jonathan Gorard</a></strong></em> on the <strong>Wolfram Physics Project</strong> and <strong>Hypergraph Dynamics</strong></p></li></ul><div class="subscription-widget-wrap-editor" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://curtjaimungal.substack.com/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe&quot;,&quot;language&quot;:&quot;en&quot;}" data-component-name="SubscribeWidgetToDOM"><div class="subscription-widget show-subscribe"><div class="preamble"><p class="cta-caption">This Substack is reader-supported. 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and on <strong><a href="https://youtu.be/1sXrRc3Bhrs">Consciousness and Infinity</a></strong>, <strong><a href="https://youtu.be/0YRlQQw0d-4">Observer Theory</a></strong>, <strong><a href="https://youtu.be/FkYer0xP37E">Computational Experiments and Tool-Building</a></strong>)</p></li><li><p><em><strong><a href="https://youtu.be/VETxb96a3qk">Stephon Alexander</a></strong></em> on the <strong>Autodidactic Universe</strong> and <strong>Evolving Laws of Physics</strong> (also with <strong><a href="https://youtu.be/PE4C7OI7Frg">Salvatore Pais</a></strong>)</p></li><li><p><em><strong><a href="https://youtu.be/w9aF9NB4NqA">Steven Gubka</a></strong></em> on the <strong>Epistemology of Large Language Models</strong></p></li><li><p><em><strong><a href="https://youtu.be/oLVL2u-ZJ8c">Steven Pinker</a></strong></em> on <strong>Enlightenment Values</strong> and <strong>Free Speech on Campus</strong></p></li><li><p><em><strong><a href="https://youtu.be/uLo0Zwe579g">Stuart Hameroff</a></strong></em> on <strong>Orch OR</strong> and <strong>Quantum Computation in Microtubules</strong> (also on <strong><a href="https://youtu.be/0_bQwdJir1o">Consciousness Before Life</a></strong>)</p></li><li><p><em><strong><a href="https://youtu.be/WKGx2YKgs9M">Stuart Kauffman</a></strong></em> on <strong>Complexity Theory</strong> and <strong>Open-Ended Evolution</strong></p></li><li><p><em><strong><a href="https://youtu.be/epkuoytFJWA">Subir Sarkar</a></strong></em> on <strong>Dark Energy</strong> and <strong>Cosmic Acceleration</strong></p></li><li><p><em><strong><a href="https://youtu.be/jrVnAWP2XEs">Susan Blackmore</a></strong></em> on <strong>Illusionism</strong> and the <strong>Hard Problem of Consciousness</strong> (with Bernardo Kastrup)</p></li><li><p><em><strong><a href="https://youtu.be/VmQXpKyUh4g">Susan Schneider</a></strong></em> on <strong>Machine Consciousness</strong> and the <strong>Future of Mind</strong> (with Bernardo Kastrup &#923; Donald Hoffman)</p></li><li><p><em><strong><a href="https://youtu.be/6w-XwEz3pxk">Tammy Peterson</a></strong></em> on <strong>Illness and Recovery</strong>, <strong>Prayer</strong>, and <strong>Meditation</strong></p></li><li><p><em><strong><a href="https://youtu.be/3mhctWlXyV8">Ted Jacobson</a></strong></em> on <strong>Gravity as an Emergent Phenomenon</strong></p></li><li><p><em><strong><a href="https://youtu.be/PqZp7MlRC5g">Terrence Deacon</a></strong></em> on <strong>Peircean Semiotics</strong> and the <strong>Grounding of Symbols</strong></p></li><li><p><em><strong><a href="https://youtu.be/kko-hVA-8IU">Thomas Campbell</a></strong></em> on <strong>My Big TOE</strong> and <strong>Reality as a Virtual Simulation</strong> (also on <strong><a href="https://youtu.be/5nyXBX1fHpo">Out-of-Body Experiences</a></strong>)</p></li><li><p><em><strong><a href="https://youtu.be/fU1bs5o3nss">Tim Maudlin</a></strong></em> on <strong>Bell&#8217;s Theorem</strong> and <strong>Nonlocality</strong> (also with <strong><a href="https://youtu.be/883R3JlZHXE">Tim Palmer</a></strong>, <strong><a href="https://youtu.be/rd7a_5M_37I">Bernardo Kastrup</a></strong>; and on <strong><a href="https://youtu.be/9R0wrBpafYI">Einstein, EPR, and Bell</a></strong>)</p></li><li><p><em><strong><a href="https://youtu.be/vlklA6jsS8A">Tim Palmer</a></strong></em> on the <strong>Cosmological Invariant Set Postulate</strong> (also with <strong><a href="https://youtu.be/883R3JlZHXE">Tim Maudlin</a></strong>)</p></li><li><p><em><strong><a href="https://youtu.be/PMrCvhHctOg">Timothy Williamson</a></strong></em> on <strong>Vagueness</strong> and the <strong>Sorites Paradox</strong></p></li><li><p><em><strong><a href="https://youtu.be/SwieLd7Lyc8">Tyler Cowen</a></strong></em> on the <strong>Economics of Tariffs</strong></p></li><li><p><em><strong><a href="https://youtu.be/1KUhLHlgG2Q">Urs Schreiber</a></strong></em> on <strong>Category Theory as a Foundation for Physics</strong></p></li><li><p><em><strong><a href="https://youtu.be/73IdQGgfxas">Vitaly Vanchurin</a></strong></em> on the <strong>Universe as a Neural Network</strong></p></li><li><p><em><strong><a href="https://youtu.be/Uey_mUy1vN0">Vlatko Vedral</a></strong></em> on <strong>Gravitationally Induced Entanglement</strong> (with Chiara Marletto)</p></li><li><p><em><strong><a href="https://youtu.be/HIoviZe14pY">Wayne Myrvold</a></strong></em> on the <strong>Second Law of Thermodynamics</strong></p></li><li><p><em><strong><a href="https://youtu.be/3fkg0uTA3qU">William Hahn</a></strong></em> on the <strong>Hierarchy of Consciousness</strong> (also with <strong><a href="https://youtu.be/abzXzPBW4_s">Elan Barenholtz (AI in Medicine)</a></strong>, <strong><a href="https://youtu.be/Ca_RbPXraDE">Elan Barenholtz (Language and Thought)</a></strong>; and on <strong><a href="https://youtu.be/xr4R7eh5f_M">Info Hazards</a></strong>)</p></li><li><p><em><strong><a href="https://youtu.be/9M_uFQNDlvI">Wolfgang Smith</a></strong></em> on the <strong>Quantum Measurement Problem</strong> and <strong>Vertical Causation</strong> (also on <strong><a href="https://youtu.be/vp18_L_y_30">Vedic and Christian Paths</a></strong>)</p></li><li><p><em><strong><a href="https://youtu.be/rQT1HrM63ZE">Yakir Aharonov</a></strong></em> on the <strong>Two-State Vector Formalism</strong> and <strong>Weak Measurement</strong></p></li><li><p><em><strong><a href="https://youtu.be/spIquD_mBFk">Yang-Hui He</a></strong></em> on the <strong>Murmuration Conjecture</strong> (also on <strong><a href="https://youtu.be/wbP0KjWm0pw">Calabi-Yau Manifolds</a></strong>)</p></li><li><p><em><strong><a href="https://youtu.be/X6qeFzrmRqU">Zubin Damania</a></strong></em> on <strong>Nondualism</strong> and the <strong>Constructed Self</strong></p></li></ul><p><span>Thank you for reading. </span></p><p><em>&#8212;Curt Jaimungal</em></p><p><strong>PS:</strong><span> </span><strong><a href="/__u/curtjaimungal.substack.com/subscribe">Consider becoming a paying member on this Substack</a></strong><span>. This is how I earn a living, as I&#8217;m </span><em>directly</em><span> reader-supported. Moreover, you&#8217;ll get a slew of exclusive content such as early access to full podcasts. If you like the free content, you&#8217;ll love the </span><strong><a href="/__u/curtjaimungal.substack.com/subscribe">members-only content</a></strong><span>.</span></p>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Quantum Nonlocality Explained FROM SCRATCH]]></title><description><![CDATA[This is Part 2 of the previous lecture with Tim Maudlin (which went obscenely viral).]]></description><link>https://curtjaimungal.substack.com/p/quantum-nonlocality-explained-from</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://curtjaimungal.substack.com/p/quantum-nonlocality-explained-from</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Curt Jaimungal]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2026 22:15:58 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.substack.com/feed/podcast/212909108/3e1963225d3680d08689c7a0a52aad8f.mp3" length="0" type="audio/mpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is Part Two of the previous lecture with Tim Maudlin (which went obscenely viral). It is the one with Bell&#8217;s theorem in it.</p><p><strong>Tim Maudlin</strong> is Professor of Philosophy at New York University, founder and director of the <em>John Bell Institute</em> for the Foundations of Physics.</p><p>Part One stopped just short of the theorem on purpose, since Tim&#8217;s position is that you cannot understand Bell until you understand EPR. This is Act Three. Part Three is still to come.</p><p>We cover:</p><ul><li><p><strong>The philosopher who found the hole in von Neumann&#8217;s impossibility proof, decades before Bell did</strong></p></li><li><p><strong>Much discussion about Many Worlds, and whether it gets to keep locality</strong></p></li><li><p><strong>Bell on reading David Bohm&#8217;s 1952 papers: </strong><em><strong>In 1952, I saw the impossible done.</strong></em></p></li><li><p><strong>Why Bell wanted the pilot wave taught in textbooks: </strong><em><strong>to show that vagueness, subjectivity, and indeterminism are not forced on us by experimental facts, but by deliberate theoretical choice.</strong></em></p></li><li><p><strong>Three presuppositions go into the proof, and Tim&#8217;s insistence that there is no fourth</strong></p></li><li><p><strong>Bell takes the EPR&#8230;</strong></p></li></ul>
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   ]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Adrian Owen: Awake. Aware. Unable to Move.]]></title><description><![CDATA[SPONSORS: - Visit https://mod.com for a free consultation and get 10% off your first order PLUS free shipping with promo code TOE.]]></description><link>https://curtjaimungal.substack.com/p/adrian-owen-awake-aware-unable-to-c7d</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://curtjaimungal.substack.com/p/adrian-owen-awake-aware-unable-to-c7d</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Curt Jaimungal]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2026 14:56:00 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.substack.com/feed/podcast/212563630/6f808d215518f6ef72d4757d7ba68df0.mp3" length="0" type="audio/mpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SPONSORS: - Visit https://mod.com for a free consultation and get 10% off your first order PLUS free shipping with promo code TOE. - I personally subscribe to The Economist. TOE listeners get 35% off the annual subscription. No other podcast has this! https://economist.com/TOE There are three questions people ask about consciousness: what it is, how to explain it, and how to measure it. This episode is entirely the third one. Adrian Owen, professor of cognitive neuroscience at Western University, joins to explain how he detects consciousness in patients thought to be completely unaware &#8212; and why he believes thousands have been "hiding in plain sight" for decades. Owen walks through the landmark case that started it all: asking a non-responsive patient to imagine playing tennis, and watching her brain light up like a healthy person's. We discuss the differences between coma, vegetative state, minimally conscious state, and locked-in syndrome, and what recovered patients have reported about their experience &#8212; including one man whose memories were sharper than his doctor's. The conversation covers how movies like Taken are used to detect awareness through brain synchronization, why negative results can never prove someone is unconscious, and the ethics of asking a locked-in patient if they want to keep living. This is an in-depth conversation with Adrian Owen. FOLLOW: - Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4gL14b92xAErofYQA7bU4e - Substack: https://curtjaimungal.substack.com/subscribe - Twitter: https://twitter.com/TOEwithCurt - Discord Invite: https://discord.com/invite/kBcnfNVwqs - Crypto: https://nowpayments.io/donation/TOE - PayPal: https://www.paypal.com/donate?hosted_button_id=XUBHNMFXUX5S4 TIMESTAMPS: - 00:00:00 - Trapped Consciousness Detection - 00:05:15 - Total Locked-in Syndrome - 00:10:40 - Wakefulness Without Awareness - 00:15:45 - The fMRI Tennis Test - 00:21:00 - Decoding Neural Intent - 00:26:30 - Mapping the Grey Zone - 00:32:00 - Non-Responsive Patient Lucidity - 00:37:30 - Life-Support Ethical Dilemmas - 00:43:00 - Brain-Computer Interface Futures - 00:48:30 - Hijacking Consciousness via Narrative - 00:54:00 - The Liam Neeson Test - 00:59:30 - Thalamocortical Pathway Disruption - 01:05:00 - Deep Brain Stimulation Potential - 01:10:30 - Anesthetic Awareness Dangers - 01:16:00 - AI and Language Lures - 01:21:30 - IIT Pseudoscience Controversy LINKS MENTIONED: - The Owen Lab: https://owenlab.org/ - Think Before You Think [Book]: https://amazon.com/dp/1324075163?tag=toe08-20 - Into The Gray Zone [Book]: https://amazon.com/dp/1501135201?tag=toe08-20 - Into The Gray Zone [Lecture]: https://youtu.be/01_ECXZK9dA - Detecting Awareness In The Vegetative State [Paper]: https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.1130197 - Cortical Processing In Persistent Vegetative State [Paper]: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(05)77805-3/abstract - Response To 'Minimally Conscious State Or Cortically Mediated State?' [Paper]: https://academic.oup.com/brain/article/141/4/e26/4838964 - Risk, Diagnostic Error, And The Clinical Science Of Consciousness [Paper]: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25844313/ - A Common Neural Code For Similar Conscious Experiences In Different Individuals [Paper]: https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1407007111 - Locked-In Syndrome: https://www.ninds.nih.gov/health-information/disorders/locked-syndrome - CIFAR: https://cifar.ca/research-programs/brain-mind-consciousness/ - Tests For Consciousness In Humans And Beyond [Paper]: https://www.cell.com/trends/cognitive-sciences/fulltext/S1364-6613(24)00010-X - Early Identification Of Recovery Potential After Acute Brain Injury Using Functional Near Infrared Spectroscopy [Paper]: https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12028-026-02605-0 - Consciousness Iceberg [TOE]: https://youtu.be/65yjqIDghEk - Michael Levin &amp; Anil Seth [TOE]: https://youtu.be/_kuwwmFnxGY - Iain McGilchrist [TOE]: https://youtu.be/Q9sBKCd2HD0 - Roman Yampolskiy [TOE]: https://youtu.be/TgFmA-Qwsek - Elan Barenholtz [TOE]: https://youtu.be/A36OumnSrWY - Simon Saunders [TOE]: https://youtu.be/Ihv542rCUns Guests do not pay to appear. #science</p><p>Learn more about your ad choices. Visit <a href="https://megaphone.fm/adchoices">megaphone.fm/adchoices</a></p>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Awake. Aware. Unable to Move.]]></title><description><![CDATA[The unsettling cases that led this scientist to find ways of testing consciousness&#8230;]]></description><link>https://curtjaimungal.substack.com/p/awake-aware-unable-to-move</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://curtjaimungal.substack.com/p/awake-aware-unable-to-move</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Curt Jaimungal]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2026 11:58:08 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.substack.com/feed/podcast/211796203/f0c0a6858fb5680ccc46728d77c9e664.mp3" length="0" type="audio/mpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are three questions people ask about consciousness: what it is, how to explain it, and how to measure it. This episode is entirely the third one.</p><p><strong>Adrian Owen</strong> is Professor of Cognitive Neuroscience and Imaging at Western University in London, Ontario, in the departments of psychology and of physiology and pharmacology. He was made an OBE in 2019 for services to scientific research.</p><p>In 2006 he put a woman diagnosed as being in a vegetative state into an fMRI scanner and asked her to imagine playing tennis. She did, and the parts of her brain that plan large upper-body movements lit up. In the twenty years since, he says, several thousand behaviorally non-responsive patients have been found to be aware. He wrote <em>Into the Gray Zone</em> about that work, and a new book, <em>Think Before You Think</em>, came out on August 4th.</p><p>We cover:</p><ul><li><p><strong>How often a &#8220;vegetative&#8221; diagnosis turns out to be wrong</strong></p></li><li><p><strong>Kate, the 1997 patient, on what the scan changed for her: &#8220;The day that you scanned me, I went from being a </strong><em><strong>thing</strong></em></p></li></ul>
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   ]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Peter Godfrey-Smith: This Scientist Found Earth’s “Alien” Minds]]></title><description><![CDATA[SPONSORS: - Take Cheers Restore after your last drink or before going to bed and wake up feeling at least 50% better &#8212; or your money back.]]></description><link>https://curtjaimungal.substack.com/p/peter-godfrey-smith-this-scientist-6e9</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://curtjaimungal.substack.com/p/peter-godfrey-smith-this-scientist-6e9</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Curt Jaimungal]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2026 15:27:00 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.substack.com/feed/podcast/211575146/363fb3a252f1f51cb61da1d7f962cd10.mp3" length="0" type="audio/mpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SPONSORS: - Take Cheers Restore after your last drink or before going to bed and wake up feeling at least 50% better &#8212; or your money back. For a limited time our listeners are getting 20% off their entire order at https://cheershealth.com/TOE - I personally subscribe to The Economist. TOE listeners get 35% off the annual subscription. No other podcast has this! https://economist.com/TOE Peter Godfrey-Smith, professor at the University of Sydney and author of Other Minds: The Octopus and the Deep Origins of Consciousness, joins to explain why he thinks meeting an octopus is the closest we'll get to meeting an alien. He's now developing a new, speculative theory of consciousness centered on rhythm. The conversation explores why he thinks "having a mind" is a graded property rather than a yes-or-no one &#8212; and what that implies for earthworms, bacteria, and plants. We discuss how many selves may exist inside a single octopus. Godfrey-Smith explains why he suspects rhythmic, large-scale electrical activity in the brain &#8212; not just point-to-point neural firing &#8212; is essential to consciousness. He also addresses what Anthropic's discovery of a "workspace" inside Claude does and doesn't show, and why he assigns computers a very low probability of being conscious. Finally, he makes the case for why a silicon neuron could never do "exactly" what a biological one does. This is an in-depth conversation with Peter Godfrey-Smith. FOLLOW: - Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4gL14b92xAErofYQA7bU4e - Substack: https://curtjaimungal.substack.com/subscribe - Twitter: https://twitter.com/TOEwithCurt - Discord Invite: https://discord.com/invite/kBcnfNVwqs - Crypto: https://nowpayments.io/donation/TOE - PayPal: https://www.paypal.com/donate?hosted_button_id=XUBHNMFXUX5S4 TIMESTAMPS: - 00:00:00 - Cephalopods: The Closest Aliens - 00:05:30 - Defining the Unconscious Mind - 00:10:40 - Selfhood vs. Information Processing - 00:16:10 - The Graded Nature of Mind - 00:22:15 - Deflating the Concept of Life - 00:29:00 - Convergent Evolution of Intelligence - 00:35:40 - Distributed Neural Control Systems - 00:42:50 - Multiple Subjects in One Body? - 00:48:40 - Global Workspace Theory Critique - 00:56:10 - AI and the Conscious Workspace - 01:01:28 - Simulation Hypothesis Probabilities - 01:08:40 - Biological Hardware Constraints - 01:16:10 - Rhythmic Consciousness Theory - 01:22:30 - Mind Uploading and Silicon Neurons - 01:31:00 - Neural Dynamics of Subjectivity - 01:37:00 - Deep Ocean Intelligence LINKS MENTIONED: - Other Minds [Book]: https://amazon.com/dp/0374227764?tag=toe08-20 - Peter's Website: https://petergodfreysmith.com/ - Reality+ [Book]: https://amazon.com/dp/0393635805?tag=toe08-20 - A Materialist Theory of the Mind [Book]: https://amazon.com/dp/0415100313?tag=toe08-20 - Rodolfo Llinas: https://med.nyu.edu/faculty/rodolfo-llinas - Bruno's Research: https://qbi.uq.edu.au/groups/vanswinderen - Dehaene's Commentary on Language Models [Paper]: https://www-cdn.anthropic.com/files/4zrzovbb/website/cc4be2488d65e54a6ed06492f8968398ddc18ebe.pdf - A Cognitive Theory of Consciousness [Book]: http://cogweb.ucla.edu/Abstracts/Baars_88.html - Oscillations in the Central Brain of Drosophila Are Phase Locked to Attended Visual Features [Paper]: https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2010749117 - The ENCODE Project: https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/genomics/encode-project.html - What Is It Like to Be a Bat? [Paper]: https://www.sas.upenn.edu/~cavitch/pdf-library/Nagel_Bat.pdf - The Explanatory Gap [Paper]: https://philpapers.org/rec/LEVMAQ - Inferring Consciousness in Phylogenetically Distant Organisms [Paper]: https://direct.mit.edu/jocn/article/36/8/1660/120485/Inferring-Consciousness-in-Phylogenetically - Remarkably Bright Creatures [Book]: https://amazon.com/dp/0063204150?tag=toe08-20 - Giant Cuttlefish: https://australian.museum/learn/animals/fishes/giant-cuttlefish-sepia-apama-gray-1849/ - Cuttlefish Exert Self-Control in a Delay of Gratification Task [Paper]: https://royalsocietypublishing.org/rspb/article/288/1946/20203161/86132/Cuttlefish-exert-self-control-in-a-delay-of - Stanford Marshmallow Experiment: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_marshmallow_experiment - How We Found the Giant Squid: https://www.ted.com/talks/edith_widder_how_we_found_the_giant_squid More links at https://curtjaimungal.substack.com Guests do not pay to appear. #science</p><p>Learn more about your ad choices. Visit <a href="https://megaphone.fm/adchoices">megaphone.fm/adchoices</a></p>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Earth’s Alien Minds: How Many Minds Can One Body Have?]]></title><description><![CDATA[Interview with Peter Godfrey-Smith on octopuses and other bizarre consciousnesses...]]></description><link>https://curtjaimungal.substack.com/p/earths-alien-minds-how-many-minds</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://curtjaimungal.substack.com/p/earths-alien-minds-how-many-minds</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Curt Jaimungal]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2026 23:33:13 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.substack.com/feed/podcast/210680906/cc380c8694170382ab376f867b2c7536.mp3" length="0" type="audio/mpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This one is about what a mind is&#8230;</p><p><strong>Peter Godfrey-Smith</strong> is Professor in the School of History and Philosophy of Science at the University of Sydney, and taught previously at Stanford, Harvard, and the CUNY Graduate Center. He is the author of <em><strong><a href="https://amazon.com/dp/0374227764?tag=toe08-20">Other Minds</a></strong></em>, <em><strong><a href="https://amazon.com/dp/0374207941?tag=toe08-20">Metazoa</a></strong></em>, and <em><strong><a href="https://amazon.com/dp/0374189935?tag=toe08-20">Living on Earth</a></strong></em>. His <em><strong><a href="https://amazon.com/dp/0199552045?tag=toe08-20">Darwinian Populations and Natural Selection</a></strong></em> won the Lakatos Award in 2010.</p><ul><li><p><strong>Something like two-thirds of an octopus&#8217;s neurons are outside its central brain, in the arms</strong></p></li><li><p><strong>What a severed octopus arm can still do, and what a severed human arm can&#8217;t</strong></p></li><li><p><strong>Peter on viruses: &#8220;Is a virus alive? I think the right response to that question is: It&#8217;s not a good question.&#8221;</strong></p></li><li><p><strong>Why he expects the concept of mind to go the way the concept of life already went</strong></p></li><li><p><strong>Where he parts ways with Stanislas Dehaene on how much you can be conscious of at once</strong></p></li><li><p><strong>Anthropic&#8217;s global-workspace finding inside Claude, and what Dehaene made of it</strong></p></li><li><p><strong>Chalmers, in </strong><em><strong>Reality+</strong></em><strong>, gives the simulation hypothesis at least 25%. Peter thinks that is much too high.</strong></p></li><li><p><strong>I proposed&#8230;</strong></p></li></ul>
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   ]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Jacob Tsimerman: He Won Math's Highest Prize. Then Announced the End]]></title><description><![CDATA[I personally subscribe to The Economist.]]></description><link>https://curtjaimungal.substack.com/p/jacob-tsimerman-he-won-maths-highest-f28</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://curtjaimungal.substack.com/p/jacob-tsimerman-he-won-maths-highest-f28</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Curt Jaimungal]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2026 16:01:00 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.substack.com/feed/podcast/210626002/1cb39cdfc3a34e5c1fec8bb79a86801b.mp3" length="0" type="audio/mpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I personally subscribe to The Economist. TOE listeners get 35% off the annual subscription. No other podcast has this! https://economist.com/TOE Ten days after winning the Fields Medal &#8212; math's highest honor &#8212; Jacob Tsimerman joins to explain why he's leaving academia temporarily for OpenAI's AI safety team, and why he's grieving even as he does it. The conversation covers why math is one of the first fields being radically reshaped by AI, whether a proof still counts if no one can understand it, what mathematical "understanding" really means, the ethics of elite access to frontier models, his disagreements with the Leiden Declaration, and his advice for young people weighing a career in pure math in an age of rapidly advancing AI. This is an exclusive first podcast with Jacob Tsimerman. FOLLOW: - Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4gL14b92xAErofYQA7bU4e - Substack: https://curtjaimungal.substack.com/subscribe - Twitter: https://twitter.com/TOEwithCurt - Discord Invite: https://discord.com/invite/kBcnfNVwqs - Crypto: https://nowpayments.io/donation/TOE - PayPal: https://www.paypal.com/donate?hosted_button_id=XUBHNMFXUX5S4 TIMESTAMPS: - 00:00:00 - Fields Medal and Grieving - 00:05:38 - Canonical Human Cognition Patterns - 00:10:40 - Prompting the Mathematical Future - 00:15:40 - Pure Math and Physics Loops - 00:21:00 - Epistemic Black Boxes - 00:26:00 - Rigor Outgrowing Intuition - 00:31:20 - Cognitive Mechanics of Understanding - 00:37:00 - G&#246;del and Working Memory - 00:42:10 - Mathematics as Improvised Art - 00:47:30 - AI Power and Meritocracy - 00:52:50 - Math on the Chopping Block - 00:58:20 - Unrestricted Optimization Risks - 01:03:40 - AI Safety Manhattan Project - 01:08:50 - Training for Post-AI Careers - 01:14:10 - The Managerial Shift - 01:19:40 - Cognitive Offloading and Adaptation LINKS MENTIONED: - Jacob's Website: https://www.math.utoronto.ca/~jacobt/ - Jacob's Publications: https://www.semanticscholar.org/author/Jacob-Tsimerman/3130599 - Quanta's Story On Jacob [Article]: https://www.quantamagazine.org/jacob-tsimerman-wins-2026-fields-medal-for-andre-oort-conjecture-proof-20260723/ - Andr&#233;-Oort Conjecture: https://www.ams.org/journals/notices/202410/rnoti-p1307.pdf - Canonical Heights On Shimura Varieties And The Andr&#233;-Oort Conjecture [Paper]: https://arxiv.org/abs/2109.08788 - O-Minimal GAGA And A Conjecture Of Griffiths [Paper]: https://arxiv.org/pdf/1811.12230 - Ten Advances In Mathematics And Theoretical Computer Science: https://openai.com/index/ten-advances-in-mathematics/ - Thoughts About The Leiden Declaration: https://gowers.wordpress.com/2026/07/26/thoughts-about-the-leiden-declaration/ - Tobias Osborne LinkedIn Post: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/tobias-osborne-601830a5_farewell-to-the-conjecture-prover-several-share-7487777959299276800-mxsa/ - Math For AI Safety: https://mathforaisafety.org/ - Charles Fefferman: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Fefferman - G-Functions, Motives, And Unlikely Intersections [Paper]: https://arxiv.org/abs/2501.09867 - Tobias Osborne's QFT Lectures: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLDfPUNusx1EpRs-wku83aqYSKfR5fFmfS - AISI Website: https://www.aisi.gov.uk/ - Sebastian Jaimungal: https://sebastian.statistics.utoronto.ca/ - Edward Frenkel [TOE]: https://youtu.be/RX1tZv_Nv4Y - Roger Penrose [TOE]: https://youtu.be/iO03t21xhdk More links at https://curtjaimungal.substack.com Guests do not pay to appear. #science</p><p>Learn more about your ad choices. Visit <a href="https://megaphone.fm/adchoices">megaphone.fm/adchoices</a></p>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[The Caterpillar Soup Myth]]></title><description><![CDATA[To quote Jerry Seinfeld&#8230; &#8220;The soup counts!&#8221;]]></description><link>https://curtjaimungal.substack.com/p/the-caterpillar-soup-myth</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://curtjaimungal.substack.com/p/the-caterpillar-soup-myth</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Curt Jaimungal]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Sun, 09 Aug 2026 23:42:13 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_oI6!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F57e53a2b-18e6-44a9-93f9-e72fa9f6d65b_1249x693.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To quote Jerry Seinfeld&#8230; &#8220;The soup counts!&#8221;</p><p>So, under my recent YouTube post about the upcoming <strong><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Solms">Mark Solms</a></strong> podcast, a commenter reasonably raised everyone&#8217;s favorite biological objection to brain-bound minds: the butterfly.</p><p>That is, if consciousness and/or memory is brain based, then how does that explain the humble self effacing (literally) caterpillar who turns entirely to soup, yet the adult remembers its larval life? If the hardware scrambled beyond recognition, then what the heck is doing the remembering?</p><p>I did some searching and found that this folklore is present basically everywhere in pop sci. For instance:</p><ul><li><p>The <em>New York Almanack</em> <strong><a href="https://www.newyorkalmanack.com/2020/08/dissolution-and-metamorphosis-a-caterpillar-soup/">tells readers</a></strong> the caterpillar &#8220;releases enzymes which dissolve its body. All of it.&#8221; Closer inspection shows the article walks itself back a paragraph later.</p></li><li><p><em>Scientific American</em>&#8217;s <strong><a href="https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/caterpillar-butterfly-metamorphosis-explainer/">explainer</a></strong> softens its own &#8220;dissolve all of its tissues&#8221; two sentences after writing it. 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Most larval muscle destroys itself on cue and breaks into drifting fragments the literature apparently calls <strong><a href="https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4855724/">sarcolytes</a></strong>. (Yes, I also had to look that up)</p><p>Much of the digestive tract of the caterpillar goes with it, and the freed molecules feed the adult butterfly. It would be nice if we, mere mortals, could substitute liquefying our gut with liposuction, but the gods aren&#8217;t so kind.</p><p>But notice that I focused on the digestive tract. I didn&#8217;t say &#8220;all of it&#8221; because not all of the caterpillar becomes soup-like.</p><p>You may also hear a juicier version: the caterpillar&#8217;s immune system attacks the would-be butterfly cells and kills them until it&#8217;s overwhelmed. But no such battle appears in the developmental literature! Much of the adult grows from <strong><a href="https://youtu.be/wyZeli50nXg?t=1558">imaginal discs</a></strong>, cell pockets set aside back in the embryo. Immune cells do show up, but as the cleanup crew for tissue already dismantling itself on hormonal orders.</p><div class="subscription-widget-wrap-editor" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://curtjaimungal.substack.com/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe&quot;,&quot;language&quot;:&quot;en&quot;}" data-component-name="SubscribeWidgetToDOM"><div class="subscription-widget show-subscribe"><div class="preamble"><p class="cta-caption">This Substack is reader-supported. To receive new posts and support my work, consider becoming a free or paid subscriber.</p></div><form class="subscription-widget-subscribe"><input type="email" class="email-input" name="email" placeholder="Type your email&#8230;" tabindex="-1"><input type="submit" class="button primary" value="Subscribe"><div class="fake-input-wrapper"><div class="fake-input"></div><div class="fake-button"></div></div></form></div></div><p>This isn&#8217;t the Walking Dead. The brain was never on the menu. <strong><a href="https://elifesciences.org/articles/80594">Most larval neurons persist</a></strong>, the fly anatomy finds, and the mushroom-body cells (the insect&#8217;s smell-learning hub) prune their larval branches and regrow adult ones from the <em>same</em> cell bodies. The organ sits there throughout, bathed in the broth that used to be muscle. Sounds somehow hot actually.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!cygA!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F150dd3b4-af6a-4813-aa12-15a35a683ccc_1161x1155.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!cygA!, /__u/curtjaimungal.substack.com/w_424, /__u/curtjaimungal.substack.com/c_limit, /__u/curtjaimungal.substack.com/f_webp, /__u/curtjaimungal.substack.com/q_auto:good, /__u/curtjaimungal.substack.com/fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F150dd3b4-af6a-4813-aa12-15a35a683ccc_1161x1155.png 424w, /__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!cygA!, /__u/curtjaimungal.substack.com/w_848, /__u/curtjaimungal.substack.com/c_limit, 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A few years ago, James Truman&#8217;s team <strong><a href="https://www.quantamagazine.org/insect-brains-melt-and-rewire-during-metamorphosis-20230726/">mapped the fly&#8217;s larval memory circuits</a></strong> through the pupal stage (the one where it&#8217;s a shelly thing) and found <em>none</em> of those connections on the far side.</p><p>The cells stay while the talk between them is rebuilt. Whatever carries a crossing memory (synapses off the map, or cargo inside the persisting cells?) is an open debate, as far as I know.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!nJBl!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F34bf2b73-3e74-4c6b-9046-2cc8f0459504_1248x670.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!nJBl!, /__u/curtjaimungal.substack.com/w_424, /__u/curtjaimungal.substack.com/c_limit, /__u/curtjaimungal.substack.com/f_webp, /__u/curtjaimungal.substack.com/q_auto:good, /__u/curtjaimungal.substack.com/fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F34bf2b73-3e74-4c6b-9046-2cc8f0459504_1248x670.png 424w, /__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!nJBl!, 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href="https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0001736">trained hornworm caterpillars</a></strong> to avoid a smell by pairing it with electric shock. Hornworms become moths, not butterflies, but the rebuild is pretty much the same. Afterward, <strong>the moths still avoided the smell</strong>.</p><p>The obvious objection is that the smell just clung to the shell and the moth sniffed leftovers like how your clothes smell when you come from your parents place. No. Scrubbing the shell didn&#8217;t wash the memory out, and perfuming untrained pupae didn&#8217;t plant a memory.</p><p>If you train a caterpillar too young, the moth doesn&#8217;t remember anything. However, if you train it in its last caterpillar stage, the moth remembers. Why? Well, apparently the early memory sits in a brain part the rebuild tears down, while the late one sits in a part that survives.</p><p>Weiss <strong><a href="https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/03/080304200858.htm">puts the myth as follows</a></strong>: &#8220;the larva essentially turns to soup and its components are entirely rebuilt as a butterfly.&#8221; Michael Levin retells the experiment on <em><strong><a href="https://youtu.be/kgMFnfB5E_A">TOE</a></strong></em>.</p><div id="youtube2-kgMFnfB5E_A" class="youtube-wrap" data-attrs="{&quot;videoId&quot;:&quot;kgMFnfB5E_A&quot;,&quot;startTime&quot;:null,&quot;endTime&quot;:null}" data-component-name="Youtube2ToDOM"><div class="youtube-inner"><iframe src="https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/kgMFnfB5E_A?rel=0&amp;autoplay=0&amp;showinfo=0&amp;enablejsapi=0" frameborder="0" loading="lazy" gesture="media" allow="autoplay; fullscreen" allowautoplay="true" allowfullscreen="true" width="728" height="409"></iframe></div></div><div class="captioned-button-wrap" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://curtjaimungal.substack.com/p/the-caterpillar-soup-myth?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email&utm_content=share&action=share&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Share&quot;}" data-component-name="CaptionedButtonToDOM"><div class="preamble"><p class="cta-caption">Thanks for reading! This post is public so feel free to share it.</p></div><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://curtjaimungal.substack.com/p/the-caterpillar-soup-myth?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email&utm_content=share&action=share&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Share&quot;}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="/__u/curtjaimungal.substack.com/p/the-caterpillar-soup-myth?utm_source=substack&amp;utm_medium=email&amp;utm_content=share&amp;action=share"><span>Share</span></a></p></div><p>Whatever it is that carries the memory through the soup, it seems to only be carried because the brain is carried. Remembering, then, has <em>something</em> to do with neurons, and nothing here supports a free-floating mind.</p><p>Note. I&#8217;m not saying free-floating minds are impossible. I&#8217;m saying that the soup argument (is that what we&#8217;re calling it?) is not one that supports Descartes.</p><p>The &#8220;total&#8209;soup &#8594; memories are a non&#8209;physical&#8221; chronicle is a tall tale. Much of the caterpillar indeed becomes soup, but certain neural structures actually persist through the metamorphosis. Thus, rather than this goopy transformation to a butterfly serving as evidence toward some form of soup&#8209;like consciousness or non&#8209;neural consciousness, it actually serves as evidence that consciousness has something to do with neurons, or at least that memories have something to do with neurons.</p><p>Btw, what does the pupa feel in there, exactly? Do they feel <em>anything</em>? I&#8217;m saving that for Mark Solms, who thinks consciousness starts deeper than the cortex: raw feeling from the brainstem&#8230; Stay tuned for that.</p><p>Thank you for reading. So, what do you think about the ideas in this post? Leave a comment / <strong><a href="/__u/curtjaimungal.substack.com/subscribe">share</a></strong> if you like.</p><p><em>&#8212;Curt Jaimungal</em></p><p><strong>PS:</strong> <strong><a href="/__u/curtjaimungal.substack.com/subscribe">Consider becoming a paying member on this Substack</a></strong>. This is how I earn a living, as I&#8217;m <em>directly</em> reader-supported. Moreover, you&#8217;ll get a slew of exclusive content such as early access to full podcasts. If you like the free content, you&#8217;ll love the <strong><a href="/__u/curtjaimungal.substack.com/subscribe">members-only content</a></strong>.</p><p><strong>PPS:</strong> I read <em>The Economist</em> and find their coverage of science, AI, and global affairs genuinely excellent. If you&#8217;d like to try it, <strong><a href="https://economist.com/TOE">my link gets you a huge discount</a></strong>. They don&#8217;t partner with just any podcast. In fact, I believe <em>TOE</em> is the only podcast they consistently partner with, thus you get a special 35% discount not offered <em>anywhere</em> else.</p><p><strong>PPPS:</strong> If there&#8217;s something you want me to ask Solms (about brainstems or about dissolved caterpillars), say so in the comments.</p>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[He Won Math's Highest Prize. Then Announced the End.]]></title><description><![CDATA[Exclusive first podcast with Jacob Tsimerman]]></description><link>https://curtjaimungal.substack.com/p/he-won-maths-highest-prize-then-announced</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://curtjaimungal.substack.com/p/he-won-maths-highest-prize-then-announced</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Curt Jaimungal]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2026 22:28:37 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.substack.com/feed/podcast/210281496/8619d83dc9176b4b72f5acc2d112766b.mp3" length="0" type="audio/mpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jacob Tsimerman won the Fields Medal in July. We recorded shortly after, before he starts at OpenAI.</p><p><strong>Jacob Tsimerman</strong> is a professor of mathematics at the University of Toronto and one of the four winners of the 2026 Fields Medal, awarded in July at the International Congress of Mathematicians in Philadelphia. He is the first mathematician based at a Canadian institution to win it (even more, it&#8217;s <em>Toronto</em>! So that&#8217;s pretty darn cool).</p><p>He finished his undergraduate degree at Toronto at 18, took a perfect score at the 2004 International Mathematical Olympiad, and did his PhD at Princeton under Peter Sarnak. The medal recognizes his role in making o-minimality a central method in arithmetic and complex algebraic geometry, and his part in proving Griffiths&#8217; conjecture and the Andr&#233;-Oort conjecture. He is taking leave from Toronto to join OpenAI&#8217;s AI safety team.</p><p>We cover:</p><ul><li><p><strong>Why math is being automated faster than things that look easier</strong></p></li><li><p><strong>He spent about 12 years on the Andr&#233;-Oort conjecture and abo&#8230;</strong></p></li></ul>
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   ]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Becca Tarnas: Did Jung and Tolkien Enter the Same World?]]></title><description><![CDATA[SPONSORS: - Nobody likes a call center &#8212; ElevenAgents by ElevenLabs fixes that with voice AI that sounds human and works 24/7 in 30+ languages.]]></description><link>https://curtjaimungal.substack.com/p/becca-tarnas-did-jung-and-tolkien-b12</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://curtjaimungal.substack.com/p/becca-tarnas-did-jung-and-tolkien-b12</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Curt Jaimungal]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2026 15:53:00 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.substack.com/feed/podcast/209655452/8135a0b1e21f7a4c45cf64c0fdd63441.mp3" length="0" type="audio/mpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SPONSORS: - Nobody likes a call center &#8212; ElevenAgents by ElevenLabs fixes that with voice AI that sounds human and works 24/7 in 30+ languages. Try it: elevenlabs.io/TOE - I personally subscribe to The Economist. TOE listeners get 35% off the annual subscription. No other podcast has this! https://economist.com/TOE This podcast explores the uncanny link between two of the twentieth century's great visionary works. Becca Tarnas, assistant professor at the California Institute of Integral Studies, joins to discuss her doctoral research into the parallels between Carl Jung's Red Book and J.R.R. Tolkien's lesser-known visionary writings. The central claim: working independently, both men produced strikingly similar imagery, timing, and figures &#8212; Jung's Philemon and Tolkien's Gandalf, the Eye of the Evil One and the Eye of Sauron &#8212; while each insisted their material felt discovered rather than invented. From there the conversation moves through active imagination, the reality of archetypes, psyche versus mind, and the line between mystical insight and psychosis &#8212; a wide-ranging look at where imagination ends and reality begins. FOLLOW: - Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4gL14b92xAErofYQA7bU4e - Substack: https://curtjaimungal.substack.com/subscribe - Twitter: https://twitter.com/TOEwithCurt - Discord Invite: https://discord.com/invite/kBcnfNVwqs - Crypto: https://nowpayments.io/donation/TOE - PayPal: https://www.paypal.com/donate?hosted_button_id=XUBHNMFXUX5S4 TIMESTAMPS: - 00:00:00 - Jung and Tolkien's Red Books - 00:05:42 - Archetypal Rhymes and Parallels - 00:11:26 - Defining the Imaginal Realm - 00:16:38 - Active Imagination vs. Dreaming - 00:22:00 - Active Imagination Protocol - 00:27:00 - Psyche&#8217;s Spontaneous Expression - 00:33:57 - Ontology of Imaginal Figures - 00:39:03 - Psychologizing vs. Mythologizing - 00:45:57 - Planetary Archetypes Experience - 00:51:34 - Perceiving Universal Beauty - 00:58:23 - Universal vs. Objective Reality - 01:04:00 - Psychosis vs. Gnosis - 01:09:00 - Grounding the Visionary - 01:15:00 - Symbolic Language of Madness - 01:21:00 - Unearned Wisdom and Psychedelics - 01:26:30 - Motherhood as Expanded State - 01:33:57 - Meaning in Disconnection - 01:40:56 - Intuition in Science - 01:46:55 - Leonardo&#8217;s Light and Shade LINKS MENTIONED: - Journey To The Imaginal Realm [Book]: https://amazon.com/dp/1947544217?tag=toe08-20 - Participatory Imagination [Lecture]: https://beccatarnas.com/2020/08/28/jungs-participatory-imagination/ - Becca's PhD Defense: https://youtu.be/3soOYajHUBM - The Red Book [Book]: https://amazon.com/dp/0393089088?tag=toe08-20 - The Holy Grail Of The Unconscious [Article]: https://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/20/magazine/20jung-t.html - Active Imagination: https://jungiancenter.org/jung-on-active-imagination-features-methods-and-warnings/ - Jung On Active Imagination [Book]: https://amazon.com/dp/0691015767?tag=toe08-20 - Richard Tarnas's Website: https://cosmosandpsyche.com/ - The Passion Of The Western Mind [Book]: https://amazon.com/dp/0345368096?tag=toe08-20 - Psychological Types [Book]: https://amazon.com/dp/1614279705?tag=toe08-20 - The Fellowship Of The Ring [Book]: https://amazon.com/dp/0547928211?tag=toe08-20 - Kant's 'Categories': https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/kant/ - The Imaginary And The Imaginal [Paper]: http://www.bahaistudies.net/asma/mundus_imaginalis.pdf - Toni Wolff: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toni_Wolff - The Call Of Cthulhu [Book]: https://www.hplovecraft.com/writings/texts/fiction/cc.aspx - The Shadow: https://iaap.org/jung-analytical-psychology/short-articles-on-analytical-psychology/the-shadow/ - BBC Interviews Curt: https://www.bbc.com/audio/play/m002s4hd - Andres Emilsson [TOE]: https://youtu.be/gi08eVU_-f8 - Leo Gura [TOE]: https://youtu.be/R-w8k4smC74 - Iain McGilchrist [TOE]: https://youtu.be/Q9sBKCd2HD0 - Greg Kondrak [TOE]: https://youtu.be/FFW14zSYiFY - John Vervaeke [TOE]: https://youtu.be/3p8o3-7mvQc - Bernardo Kastrup &amp; Susan Blackmore [TOE]: https://youtu.be/jrVnAWP2XEs - Consciousness Iceberg [TOE]: https://youtu.be/65yjqIDghEk Guests do not pay to appear. #science</p><p>Learn more about your ad choices. Visit <a href="https://megaphone.fm/adchoices">megaphone.fm/adchoices</a></p>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Did Jung and Tolkien Enter the Same World?]]></title><description><![CDATA[Two fantastical red books... An interview with Becca Tarnas...]]></description><link>https://curtjaimungal.substack.com/p/did-jung-and-tolkien-enter-the-same</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://curtjaimungal.substack.com/p/did-jung-and-tolkien-enter-the-same</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Curt Jaimungal]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2026 23:17:56 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.substack.com/feed/podcast/209182782/f9d9af6a0eee31d78afa56c90e1c9e29.mp3" length="0" type="audio/mpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Becca Tarnas is Assistant Professor in the Philosophy, Cosmology, and Consciousness program at the California Institute of Integral Studies, an editor of <em>Archai: The Journal of Archetypal Cosmology</em>, and the author of <em><strong><a href="https://amazon.com/dp/1947544217?tag=toe08-20">Journey to the Imaginal Realm</a></strong></em>. Her doctoral dissertation, <em>The Back of Beyond</em>, put C.G. Jung&#8217;s Red Book beside J.R.R. Tolkien&#8217;s.</p><p>In 1913 Jung began recording the visionary experiences he worked with through active imagination. 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cover:</p><ul><li><p><strong>Jung and Tolkien both drew a red eye. Tolkien&#8217;s is the Eye of Sauron. Jung&#8217;s is what he calls the eye of the evil one.</strong></p></li><li><p><strong>Jung, frightened and pushing back, tells the prophet Elijah and his blind daughter Salome that they are symbols. Their reply: </strong><em><strong>You can call us symbols if you want in the same way that you could call your fellow human beings symb&#8230;</strong></em></p></li></ul>
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   ]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Tim Maudlin: Quantum Mechanics Explained FROM SCRATCH]]></title><description><![CDATA[I personally subscribe to The Economist.]]></description><link>https://curtjaimungal.substack.com/p/tim-maudlin-quantum-mechanics-explained-150</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://curtjaimungal.substack.com/p/tim-maudlin-quantum-mechanics-explained-150</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Curt Jaimungal]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2026 15:24:00 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.substack.com/feed/podcast/208702676/7e26402942f4d1112bc4c89b955e2f6f.mp3" length="0" type="audio/mpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I personally subscribe to The Economist. TOE listeners get 35% off the annual subscription. No other podcast has this! https://economist.com/TOE This is a careful lecture that can be followed with zero background knowledge. Einstein thought he'd caught quantum mechanics in an act of spookiness &#8212; this podcast asks whether he was even worried about the right thing. Tim Maudlin, professor of philosophy at NYU and a leading philosopher of physics, delivers a rare full lecture tracing Einstein, EPR, and the road to Bell's theorem. The central claim: Einstein's real objection was never determinism &#8212; "God does not play dice" is a red herring &#8212; but non-locality, which he inferred rather than assumed. Maudlin traces the argument from Einstein's overlooked 1927 Solvay objection through the EPR paper's criterion of reality, showing why Bohr's famous reply never actually answered it. FOLLOW: - Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4gL14b92xAErofYQA7bU4e - Substack: https://curtjaimungal.substack.com/subscribe - Twitter: https://twitter.com/TOEwithCurt - Discord Invite: https://discord.com/invite/kBcnfNVwqs - Crypto: https://nowpayments.io/donation/TOE - PayPal: https://www.paypal.com/donate?hosted_button_id=XUBHNMFXUX5S4 TIMESTAMPS: - 00:00:00 - Einstein's Quantization Hypothesis - 00:07:20 - Photoelectric Effect Implications - 00:12:30 - Wave-Particle Duality Myths - 00:20:40 - De Broglie's Matter Waves - 00:26:40 - Copenhagen's Completeness Doctrine - 00:34:10 - Solvay 1927: Two Conceptions - 00:41:20 - Pinhole Diffraction Problem - 00:48:00 - Collapse and Relativity Violations - 00:56:00 - Epistemic vs. Ontic Collapse - 01:05:00 - Ontological vs. Dynamical Locality - 01:14:00 - Configuration Space Objections - 01:25:00 - EPR's Criterion of Reality - 01:32:40 - Analyzing the Reality Criterion - 01:40:50 - Causal Isolation and Locality - 01:48:45 - Entangled Momentum Eigenstates - 01:56:45 - Logical Core of EPR - 02:04:40 - Position-Momentum Simultaneous Reality - 02:14:00 - Inferring Determinism from Locality - 02:26:30 - Conservation Laws and Information - 02:37:40 - Counterfactual Definiteness Debunked - 02:44:00 - Bohr's Incoherent Response - 02:52:00 - Schr&#246;dinger's Entanglement Confession LINKS MENTIONED: - Quantum Non-Locality and Relativity [Book]: https://amazon.com/dp/1444331272?tag=toe08-20 - On a Heuristic Point of View About the Creation and Conversion of Light [Paper]: https://sites.pitt.edu/~jdnorton/lectures/Rotman_Summer_School_2013/Einstein_1905_docs/Einstein_Light_Quantum_WikiSource.pdf - The Ghost in the Atom [Paper]: https://vdoc.pub/download/the-ghost-in-the-atom-a-discussion-of-the-mysteries-of-quantum-physics-1guq071e2ukg - Collected Papers on Wave Mechanics [Paper]: https://mwolf.pracownicy.uksw.edu.pl/MK/Schrodinger_Collected_Papers_on_Wave_Mechanics.pdf - Quantum Theory at the Crossroads [Book]: https://amazon.com/dp/0521814219?tag=toe08-20 - Can Quantum-Mechanical Description of Physical Reality Be Considered Complete? [Paper]: https://journals.aps.org/pr/pdf/10.1103/PhysRev.47.777 - Bohr's EPR Critique [Paper]: https://journals.aps.org/pr/pdf/10.1103/PhysRev.48.696 - The Present Situation in Quantum Mechanics [Paper]: https://personal.lse.ac.uk/robert49/teaching/partiii/pdf/SchroedingerPresentSituation1935(1980trans).pdf - Bertlmann's Socks and the Nature of Reality [Paper]: https://cds.cern.ch/record/142461/files/198009299.pdf - On the Einstein Podolsky Rosen Paradox [Paper]: https://journals.aps.org/ppf/pdf/10.1103/PhysicsPhysiqueFizika.1.195 - Quantum Theory and Measurement [Book]: https://amazon.com/dp/0691613168?tag=toe08-20 - Tim Maudlin [TOE]: https://youtu.be/fU1bs5o3nss - Sean Carroll [TOE]: https://youtu.be/9AoRxtYZrZo - Robert Sapolsky [TOE]: https://youtu.be/z0IqA1hYKY8 - Jenann Ismael [TOE]: https://youtu.be/7kvXihDAOi0 - John Norton [TOE]: https://youtu.be/Tghl6aS5A3M Guests do not pay to appear. #science</p><p>Learn more about your ad choices. Visit <a href="https://megaphone.fm/adchoices">megaphone.fm/adchoices</a></p>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Quantum Mechanics Explained FROM SCRATCH]]></title><description><![CDATA[A comprehensive lecture by Tim Maudlin]]></description><link>https://curtjaimungal.substack.com/p/quantum-mechanics-explained-from</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://curtjaimungal.substack.com/p/quantum-mechanics-explained-from</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Curt Jaimungal]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2026 00:13:10 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.substack.com/feed/podcast/208398044/1d62d29c8edc6c00d08a48d5cd49bcf3.mp3" length="0" type="audio/mpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I asked <strong>Tim Maudlin</strong> if he wants to come on and take as much time as he needs to explain quantum mechanics / Bell&#8217;s theorem from scratch. The professor of philosophy at New York University, founder and director of the <em><strong><a href="https://www.johnbellinstitute.org/">John Bell Institute</a></strong></em> for the Foundations of Physics, did just that. </p><p>Super excited for this one.</p><p>These are Acts One and Two of a three-part arc, and they stand on their own: 1905, the 1927 Solvay Conference, the 1935 EPR paper, and the moment Schr&#246;dinger reaches for a new word and coins entanglement. </p><p>Bell&#8217;s theorem is Act Three, recorded separately, so you will not find the theorem itself here. </p><p>We cover:</p><ul><li><p><strong>How quantum theory actually started</strong></p></li><li><p><strong>What is EPR really</strong></p></li><li><p><strong>An objection from the 1927 Solvay Conference that even people who work on this rarely encounter</strong></p></li><li><p><strong>The God-does-not-play-dice story looks different afterward. On Tim&#8217;s reading, indeterminism was never Einstein&#8217;s deepest complaint, and Pauli said as much to Max Born in 1954, in a line Bell later quoted: </strong><em><strong>It seemed to me as if you&#8230;</strong></em></p></li></ul>
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No other podcast has this! https://economist.com/TOE This is a podcast all about parallel universes, and whether we have any right to believe in them. David Wallace, professor of philosophy of science at the University of Pittsburgh and a leading defender of the Many Worlds Interpretation, joins Professor Emily Adlam, his former student, for a rare joint conversation. The central fault line: Adlam argues no one living inside a many-worlds universe could ever rationally confirm the theory describing it, since Everettian probability may undermine the evidence used to support quantum mechanics itself. Wallace disagrees, but takes the challenge seriously. From there they range across the nature of the wave function, relational quantum mechanics, QBism, and scientific intersubjectivity &#8212; two sharp, collegial minds disagreeing productively about what kind of universe we actually live in. TIMESTAMPS: - 00:00:00 - Wave Function Ontology - 00:05:35 - Everettian Probability Problem - 00:11:45 - Relational Quantum Mechanics Limits - 00:19:15 - Quantum Gravity Frameworks - 00:24:50 - Subsystem Decomposition Approximations - 00:31:10 - Testing Wavefunction Collapse - 00:38:35 - Scientific Intersubjectivity Crisis - 00:47:55 - Many Worlds Rationality Constraints - 00:58:50 - QBism and Physical Reality - 01:05:05 - Conservative Philosophy of Physics LINKS MENTIONED: - Emily Adlam's Papers: https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=RlTqjZMAAAAJ - David Wallace's Papers: https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=Z35CeHAAAAAJ - Pointer Basis Of Quantum Apparatus [Paper]: https://libertadacademica.com/Cuantica/ModernaHist/Zurek%20b.pdf - Information Is Physical [Paper]: https://arxiv.org/abs/2203.13342 - Relative Information, Relative Facts [Paper]: https://arxiv.org/abs/2510.11349 - What Kind Of Relationality Does Quantum Mechanics Exhibit? 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Visit <a href="https://megaphone.fm/adchoices">megaphone.fm/adchoices</a></p>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[The Standard Model Lagrangian Explained]]></title><description><![CDATA[Term by term, as simply as possible]]></description><link>https://curtjaimungal.substack.com/p/the-standard-model-lagrangian-explained</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://curtjaimungal.substack.com/p/the-standard-model-lagrangian-explained</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Curt Jaimungal]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2026 14:02:27 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!W_eb!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F89fcb848-37f6-4cff-826a-7eb967df5039_1216x702.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" 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Gutierrez, from Veltman&#8217;s Diagrammatica.</figcaption></figure></div><p>Here&#8217;s the stupidly terrifying Standard Model Lagrangian. I&#8217;m using <em><strong>Q = T&#8323; + Y</strong></em>. Generation indices are suppressed (matter repeats in three copies) and to save space, the displayed expression is its <em>classical part</em> (prior to one&#8217;s quantum daddy):</p><div class="latex-rendered" data-attrs="{&quot;persistentExpression&quot;:&quot;\\begin{aligned} \\mathcal L_{\\rm SM}={}&amp;-\\frac14G^A_{\\mu\\nu}G^{A\\mu\\nu} -\\frac14W^I_{\\mu\\nu}W^{I\\mu\\nu} -\\frac14B_{\\mu\\nu}B^{\\mu\\nu}\\\\ &amp;+\\sum_{\\chi}i\\bar\\chi\\gamma^\\mu D_\\mu\\chi +(D_\\mu H)^\\dagger D^\\mu H-V(H)\\\\ &amp;-\\left(\\bar Q_LY_dHd_R+\\bar Q_LY_u\\widetilde H u_R+ \\bar L_LY_eHe_R+\\mathrm{h.c.}\\right). \\end{aligned}&quot;,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;PSDKHSYSRG&quot;}" data-component-name="LatexBlockToDOM"></div><p>Making sense of the above is more straightforward once you ask a question a vibe coder wouldn&#8217;t ask, but a programmer would: <strong>what is the </strong><em><strong>type</strong></em><strong> of each symbol?</strong></p><p>What I mean is that physicists reuse <em><strong>&#968;</strong></em> for four mathematical objects, with context being what disambiguates them. You may look at the above and think &#8220;well, where is Schr&#246;dinger&#8217;s wave function?&#8221; for instance. We&#8217;ll get to that. (Above, <em><strong>&#968;</strong></em> goes by <em><strong>&#967;</strong></em>.)</p><p>For now, let&#8217;s take a look row by row.</p><p>The first row is the force fields. <em><strong>G</strong></em> is the strong force, <em><strong>W</strong></em> the weak force, <em><strong>B</strong></em> a relative of electromagnetism. Quantize them and you get &#8220;bosons&#8221;: the gluons and <em><strong>W</strong></em>&#8217;s, plus (after <em><strong>W</strong></em> and <em><strong>B</strong></em> mix) the <em><strong>Z</strong></em> and photon. Each <em><strong>&#8722;&#188;(&#8230;)&#178;</strong></em> piece tells one force field how to so-call &#8220;ripple across&#8221; spacetime and, for <em><strong>G</strong></em> and <em><strong>W</strong></em>, interact with itself.</p><p>The second row is matter, plus the Higgs. The <em><strong>&#931;</strong></em> sums over the matter fields: electrons, quarks, neutrinos. <em><strong>&#967;</strong></em> is my placeholder for fermion fields often called <em><strong>&#968;</strong></em>. The last two entries let the Higgs move and give it its Mexican-hat potential <em><strong>V(H)</strong></em>, respectively.</p><p>The third row is how matter gets its mass, after symmetry breaking. Each term binds two matter fields to the Higgs.</p><h2>Let&#8217;s study one specific term</h2><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!1FTj!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F80d98bb6-da11-470c-a620-23675aacdbf2_928x543.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!1FTj!, /__u/curtjaimungal.substack.com/w_424, /__u/curtjaimungal.substack.com/c_limit, /__u/curtjaimungal.substack.com/f_webp, /__u/curtjaimungal.substack.com/q_auto:good, /__u/curtjaimungal.substack.com/fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F80d98bb6-da11-470c-a620-23675aacdbf2_928x543.png 424w, /__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!1FTj!, /__u/curtjaimungal.substack.com/w_848, 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1272w, /__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!1FTj!, /__u/curtjaimungal.substack.com/w_1456, /__u/curtjaimungal.substack.com/c_limit, /__u/curtjaimungal.substack.com/f_auto, /__u/curtjaimungal.substack.com/q_auto:good, /__u/curtjaimungal.substack.com/fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F80d98bb6-da11-470c-a620-23675aacdbf2_928x543.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>A great question to ask yourself in philosophy / math / physics is, &#8220;what is the smallest amount that you need to know such that when you understand this one case, you understand the majority of the rest?&#8221; In other words, for which relatively elementary case do you get the largest bang for your comprehension-buck?</p><p>For the standard model, I think it&#8217;s this term below. Most other terms become a small tweak on this one. Let&#8217;s look at the slice of the <em><strong>&#931;</strong></em> describing the right-handed electron, <em><strong>e_R</strong></em> (treat <em>right-handed</em> as a label).</p><div class="latex-rendered" data-attrs="{&quot;persistentExpression&quot;:&quot;\\underbrace{i}_{\\text{required bookkeeping}}\\;\\; \\underbrace{\\bar e_R}_{\\text{row}}\\;\\; \\underbrace{\\gamma^\\mu}_{\\text{spin matrices}}\\;\\; \\underbrace{D_\\mu}_{\\text{change + forces}}\\;\\; \\underbrace{e_R}_{\\text{column}}&quot;,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;LLOWKKAYKM&quot;}" data-component-name="LatexBlockToDOM"></div><p>It&#8217;s like the term of Sauron. One term to read them all. Now let&#8217;s do that type check:</p><ul><li><p><em><strong>e_R(x)</strong></em> hands you a list of numbers at each spacetime point (a <em>spinor</em>): a field like the electromagnetic field, but tracking spin.</p></li><li><p><em><strong>&#275;_R</strong></em> is that same field flipped into a <em>conjugated</em> row. This way, row &#215; matrices &#215; column gives one number. (its jargon name is the &#8220;Dirac adjoint&#8221;)</p></li><li><p><em><strong>&#947;^&#956;</strong></em> are four fixed matrices, one per spacetime direction (that&#8217;s what <em><strong>&#956;</strong></em> counts); they make spin spinny.</p></li><li><p><em><strong>D_&#956;</strong></em> is the interesting one. You may be used to <em><strong>&#8706;_&#956;</strong></em>, which is about how something changes as you move (in our case, a field). The &#8220;<em><strong>D</strong></em>&#8221; is indicating that it&#8217;s the ordinary partial derivative plus the &#8220;connection&#8221; that I talked about here in this post on <strong><a href="/__u/curtjaimungal.substack.com/p/what-are-principal-bundles-and-why">principal bundles</a></strong>. In full, <em><strong>D&#956;e_R = (&#8706;&#956; + ig&#8242;YB_&#956;)e_R</strong></em> where that inserted <em><strong>B_&#956;</strong></em> <em>is</em> the interaction / connection, and <em><strong>g&#8242;</strong></em> sets its strength.</p></li></ul><p><em><strong>e_R</strong></em> has no color charge, nor weak-isospin charge, thus the gluon and <em><strong>W</strong></em> attachments switch off.</p><p>From the above, everything else in that jumbled mess is pretty much just a tweak away. For instance:</p><ul><li><p>A quark&#8217;s term is the same sandwich; quarks carry color, so <em><strong>D_&#956;</strong></em> there is actually a different <em><strong>D_&#956;</strong></em> than the one that acts on the electron section, but it&#8217;s shorter to give it the same symbol. Inside the difference is that it&#8217;s not just the <em><strong>B</strong></em><strong> </strong>field amending the regular partial derivative).</p></li><li><p>The Higgs term <em><strong>(D_&#956;H)&#8224;D^&#956;H</strong></em> repeats the replace-<em><strong>&#8706;</strong></em>-with-<em><strong>D</strong></em> move for the Higgs; the <em><strong>&#8224;</strong></em> is the row-flip again, and no spin means no <em><strong>&#947;</strong></em>&#8217;s.</p></li><li><p>The <em><strong>&#8722;&#188;(&#8230;)&#178;</strong></em> terms are basically asking &#8220;how do you change?&#8221; but now to the force fields themselves.</p></li><li><p>The Yukawa row has no derivative: each term is matter &#215; Higgs &#215; matter, scaled by strength dials <em><strong>Y</strong></em> (yes, another <em><strong>Y</strong></em>). <em><strong>H&#771;</strong></em> is a companion <em><strong>H</strong></em> that lets up-type quarks join, but I don&#8217;t understand this part enough to say more competently about it.</p></li><li><p><em><strong>h.c.</strong></em> stands for <em>Hermitian conjugate</em>, which is a mirror copy of the three terms before it, with every flip undone (rows back to columns, <em><strong>i</strong></em> to <em><strong>&#8722;i</strong></em>). The reason you have to do this is that each Yukawa term on its own behaves like a complex number, and a Lagrangian is supposed to be real. Same trick as with ordinary numbers: <em><strong>3 + 4i</strong></em> isn&#8217;t real, but add its mirror <em><strong>3 &#8722; 4i</strong></em> and you get <em><strong>6</strong></em>, which is. So for <em><strong>L&#772;_L Y_e H e_R</strong></em>, the <em><strong>+h.c.</strong></em> it just adds <em><strong>&#275;_R Y_e&#8224; H&#8224; L_L</strong></em>, and the pair sums to something real. Of course, the true reason for doing this is that it survives predictions of data, but that goes without saying... </p><ul><li><p>Technically you could have just written <em><strong>Re(something)</strong></em> to extract the real part, like you do in ordinary complex analysis. This is how I would have chosen to write it if I was in charge of the world.</p><ul><li><p>*after multiplying by 2.</p></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul><h2>Okay, now what?</h2><p>Most people like to gawk at the jumbled mess and talk about how the universe is complicated, or they&#8217;ll take the route of putting it on a cup and talking about how simple the universe is.</p><p>But what each avoids is what the heck you do with this Lagrangian (density) after you write it down.</p><p>What has been written above can be interpreted classically, or &#8220;quantumly.&#8221; The most direct quantum path taught is the <strong><a href="https://youtu.be/XcY3ZtgYis0">path integral</a></strong>.</p><div id="youtube2-XcY3ZtgYis0" class="youtube-wrap" data-attrs="{&quot;videoId&quot;:&quot;XcY3ZtgYis0&quot;,&quot;startTime&quot;:null,&quot;endTime&quot;:null}" data-component-name="Youtube2ToDOM"><div class="youtube-inner"><iframe src="https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/XcY3ZtgYis0?rel=0&amp;autoplay=0&amp;showinfo=0&amp;enablejsapi=0" frameborder="0" loading="lazy" gesture="media" allow="autoplay; fullscreen" allowautoplay="true" allowfullscreen="true" width="728" height="409"></iframe></div></div><p>This means you see <em><strong>&#120027;</strong></em> as eating the fields at each spacetime point and outputting a number. You add up all those numbers across your entire spacetime manifold.</p><p>Then, for each of these configurations comes a complex phase, and you add up all of these complex numbers for each configuration you allow in your domain.</p><div class="subscription-widget-wrap-editor" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://curtjaimungal.substack.com/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe&quot;,&quot;language&quot;:&quot;en&quot;}" data-component-name="SubscribeWidgetToDOM"><div class="subscription-widget show-subscribe"><div class="preamble"><p class="cta-caption">This Substack is reader-supported. To receive new posts and support my work, consider becoming a free or paid subscriber.</p></div><form class="subscription-widget-subscribe"><input type="email" class="email-input" name="email" placeholder="Type your email&#8230;" tabindex="-1"><input type="submit" class="button primary" value="Subscribe"><div class="fake-input-wrapper"><div class="fake-input"></div><div class="fake-button"></div></div></form></div></div><h2>Dude, where&#8217;s my wavefunction?</h2><p>Sometimes physicists write <em><strong>&#968;</strong></em> for four different objects:</p><ol><li><p>In one-particle quantum mechanics, <em><strong>&#968;(x)</strong></em> is the wavefunction: the amplitude for finding the particle at <em><strong>x</strong></em>. That is the Schr&#246;dinger object you were looking for. It actually never appears above!</p></li><li><p>In the Lagrangian, <em><strong>&#968;(x)</strong></em> (my <em><strong>&#967;</strong></em>) is a classical field: an input to the machine above. Likewise, it carries no (direct) probability meaning.</p></li><li><p>After quantization the field becomes an operator, <em><strong>&#968;&#770;(x)</strong></em>, which creates and destroys particles. The hat usually gets dropped and some blame half the confusion on that, but <strong>the field was not a quantum state to begin with.</strong></p></li><li><p>The state is <em><strong>|&#936;&#10217;</strong></em> (bracket notation for &#8220;a state&#8221;). If you want a wavefunction, in the Schrodinger schema, it&#8217;s a wave &#8220;functional&#8221; (not a function) over entire field configurations.</p></li></ol><div class="captioned-button-wrap" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://curtjaimungal.substack.com/p/the-standard-model-lagrangian-explained?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email&utm_content=share&action=share&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Share&quot;}" data-component-name="CaptionedButtonToDOM"><div class="preamble"><p class="cta-caption">Thanks for reading! 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In Emily&#8217;s words, </strong><em><strong>it doesn&#8217;t make sense to believe an interpretation of quantum mechanics which says we shouldn&#8217;t believe quantum mechanics.</strong></em></p></li><li><p><strong>Relational quantum mechanics keeps collapsing back into Everett. Emily says she asked Rovelli and Di Biagio directly, </strong><em><strong>Isn&#8217;t this just Everett?</strong></em><strong>, and her recounting of their conclusion is </strong><em><strong>well, yes, essentially.</strong></em></p></li><li><p><strong>The measurement problem&#8217;s revenge on shared reality: on the relational view, Emily warns, </strong><em><strong>there are no absolute&#8230; observer independent facts</strong></em><strong>, so there may be no fact of the matter that you and I share a world at all.</strong></p></li><li><p><strong>The Costanza observer (yes, after Seinfeld&#8217;s &#8230;</strong></p></li></ul>
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   ]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[The eldritch things famous rationalists believed, doubted, and took seriously]]></title><description><![CDATA[God, spirit, telepathy, purpose, free will, and the limits of physics]]></description><link>https://curtjaimungal.substack.com/p/the-eldritch-things-famous-rationalists</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://curtjaimungal.substack.com/p/the-eldritch-things-famous-rationalists</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Curt Jaimungal]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2026 15:35:21 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!NPA9!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff261924e-1b57-4b86-bd67-5482b6e795ac_1400x787.jpeg" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At nineteen, while grieving, Alan Turing wrote that a spirit may find another body after death. In a mature published essay, he called the statistical evidence for telepathy &#8220;overwhelming,&#8221; though that evidence was later discredited.</p><p>Sigmund Freud urged his readers to think more kindly about thought-transference.</p><p>Bertrand Russell said that a five-minute &#8220;mystic illumination&#8221; transformed him for life, while also calling part of the experience delusive.</p><p>None of those above became a conventional &#8220;believer.&#8221; If you&#8217;re reading this, you most likely aren&#8217;t conventional either.</p><p>Of course, the famous names prove nothing by themselves.</p><p>Some were atheists who believed in objective value. Some were scientific skeptics who prayed. Some entertained telepathy while rejecting religion. Others thought physics was real but woefully incomplete.</p><h2><strong>What Does &#8220;Rationalist&#8221; Mean?</strong></h2><p>A note on the word rationalist. I use it broadly, for the scientists, mathematicians, skeptics, and analytic philosophers that we tend to file under the hardnosed analytic type: that is, the people we assume leave no room for God, spirit, or purpose.</p><p>A couple of the names here (Nietzsche, Marx) are no one&#8217;s idea of a rationalist but I&#8217;m including them anyway.</p><p>The entries below don&#8217;t all make the same sort of claim. Instead, they include settled beliefs, possibilities taken seriously, limits placed on science, religious language used without theism, dated phases, recollections, and even later-rejected positions.</p><p><strong>Every entry below is tied to a primary text where one is accessible, or identified explicitly as a recollection, reported interview, translation, or later reconstruction.</strong> Where the surrounding context changes the apparent meaning, I&#8217;ve tried to include it.</p><p>The figures quoted are:</p><ul><li><p>Nima Arkani-Hamed</p></li><li><p>A. J. Ayer</p></li><li><p>Hans Berger</p></li><li><p>Susan Blackmore</p></li><li><p>C. D. Broad</p></li><li><p>Georg Cantor</p></li><li><p>Rudolf Carnap</p></li><li><p>Nancy Cartwright</p></li><li><p>Noam Chomsky</p></li><li><p>Francis Crick</p></li><li><p>Charles Darwin</p></li><li><p>Richard Dawkins</p></li><li><p>John Dewey</p></li><li><p>Paul Dirac</p></li><li><p>Theodosius Dobzhansky</p></li><li><p>Ronald Dworkin</p></li><li><p>Freeman Dyson</p></li><li><p>John C. Eccles</p></li><li><p>Albert Einstein</p></li><li><p>Richard Feynman</p></li><li><p>Antony Flew</p></li><li><p>Sigmund Freud</p></li><li><p>Martin Gardner</p></li><li><p>Kurt G&#246;del</p></li><li><p>Stephen Jay Gould</p></li><li><p>J&#252;rgen Habermas</p></li><li><p>J. B. S. Haldane</p></li><li><p>G. H. Hardy</p></li><li><p>Sam Harris</p></li><li><p>Harry Houdini</p></li><li><p>Fred Hoyle</p></li><li><p>Thomas Henry Huxley</p></li><li><p>Stuart Kauffman</p></li><li><p>Michael Levin</p></li><li><p>Karl Marx</p></li><li><p>Peter Medawar</p></li><li><p>John Stuart Mill</p></li><li><p>Iris Murdoch</p></li><li><p>Thomas Nagel</p></li><li><p>Isaac Newton</p></li><li><p>Friedrich Nietzsche</p></li><li><p>Wolfgang Pauli</p></li><li><p>Wilder Penfield</p></li><li><p>Roger Penrose</p></li><li><p>Max Planck</p></li><li><p>Karl Popper</p></li><li><p>Hilary Putnam</p></li><li><p>Srinivasa Ramanujan</p></li><li><p>Carl Rogers</p></li><li><p>George John Romanes</p></li><li><p>Bertrand Russell</p></li><li><p>Carl Sagan</p></li><li><p>Erwin Schr&#246;dinger</p></li><li><p>John Searle</p></li><li><p>Michael Shermer</p></li><li><p>Alan Turing</p></li><li><p>John von Neumann</p></li><li><p>Alfred Russel Wallace</p></li><li><p>Eugene Wigner</p></li><li><p>Edward Witten</p></li><li><p>Ludwig Wittgenstein</p></li><li><p>Sewall Wright</p></li></ul><h2><strong>Nima Arkani-Hamed</strong></h2><blockquote><p>&#8220;I&#8217;m an atheist ... I don&#8217;t believe in God. I do, however, think that instead of worshipping a vast and unknowable God, we can devote ourselves to this slow unveiling of the vastness of truth in all of its glory.&#8221;</p></blockquote><p><strong>Nima Arkani-Hamed, </strong><a href="https://www.cornell.edu/video/nima-arkani-hamed-morality-fundamental-physics">&#8220;The Morality of Fundamental Physics&#8221;</a><strong>, Cornell University, 21 April 2016, 04:26 and 1:19:19&#8211;1:20:31.</strong></p><p><em>Context:</em> Arkani-Hamed remains an atheist, as far as I know. His claim is that the pursuit of physical and mathematical truth can supply awe, meaning, and an invariant, rough sort of moral code, serving some functions religion has served without requiring belief in God.</p><h2><strong>A. J. Ayer</strong></h2><blockquote><p>&#8220;My experiences have weakened, not my belief that there is no life after death, but my inflexible attitude towards that belief.&#8221;</p></blockquote><p><strong>A. J. Ayer, </strong><a href="https://archive.spectator.co.uk/article/15th-october-1988/14/postscript-to-a-postmortem">&#8220;Postscript to a Postmortem&#8221;</a><strong>, </strong><em><strong>The Spectator</strong></em><strong>, 15 October 1988, p. 13.</strong></p><p><em>Context:</em> Ayer was correcting his first report of a near-death experience. He remained an atheist and continued to believe death ended him. What changed was his certainty that the alternative deserved no serious consideration.</p><h2><strong>Hans Berger</strong></h2><blockquote><p>&#8220;This is a case of spontaneous telepathy in which at a time of mortal danger ... I transmitted my thoughts, while my sister ... acted as the receiver.&#8221;</p></blockquote><p><strong>Hans Berger, </strong><em><strong>Psyche</strong></em><strong> (Jena: Gustav Fischer, 1940), pp. 5&#8211;6; trans. Pierre Gloor, </strong><em><strong>Hans Berger on the Electroencephalogram of Man</strong></em><strong> (Elsevier, 1969); quoted in Jonna Brenninkmeijer, </strong><a href="https://pure.rug.nl/ws/files/86473699/Brainwaves_and_psyches_A_genealogy_of_an_extended_self.pdf">&#8220;Brainwaves and psyches: A genealogy of an extended self&#8221;</a><strong>, </strong><em><strong>History of the Human Sciences</strong></em><strong> 28, no. 3 (2015): 115&#8211;133.</strong></p><p><em>Context:</em> The experience helped motivate Berger&#8217;s search for physical signs of psychic energy, which led to the first human EEG. EEG didn&#8217;t establish telepathy; Berger&#8217;s scientific discovery resulted from a causal interpretation that remains unsupported.</p><h2><strong>Susan Blackmore</strong></h2><blockquote><p>&#8220;I nonetheless became convinced that my spirit, or soul, or astral body, had left my physical body &#8230;&#8221;</p></blockquote><p><strong>Susan Blackmore, </strong><a href="https://www.susanblackmore.uk/journalism/solo-science-going-it-alone/">&#8220;Solo Science: Going It Alone&#8221;</a><strong>, </strong><em><strong>Intelligent Life</strong></em><strong>, Autumn 2008, pp. 102&#8211;106.</strong></p><p><em>Context:</em> Blackmore is a <strong>reverse</strong> trajectory. A vivid out-of-body experience made her a paranormal believer and sent her into parapsychology. Repeated failures and methodological problems changed her mind. She later called the process an &#8220;anti-conversion&#8221; and became a leading skeptic.</p><div id="youtube2-jrVnAWP2XEs" class="youtube-wrap" data-attrs="{&quot;videoId&quot;:&quot;jrVnAWP2XEs&quot;,&quot;startTime&quot;:null,&quot;endTime&quot;:null}" data-component-name="Youtube2ToDOM"><div class="youtube-inner"><iframe src="https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/jrVnAWP2XEs?rel=0&amp;autoplay=0&amp;showinfo=0&amp;enablejsapi=0" frameborder="0" loading="lazy" gesture="media" allow="autoplay; fullscreen" allowautoplay="true" allowfullscreen="true" width="728" height="409"></iframe></div></div><h2><strong>C. D. Broad</strong></h2><blockquote><p>&#8220;I should be slightly more annoyed than surprised if I should find myself in some sense persisting immediately after the death of my present body.&#8221;</p></blockquote><p><strong>C. D. Broad, </strong><em><strong>Lectures on Psychical Research</strong></em><strong>, 1962, p. 430; passage indexed by the </strong><a href="https://psi-encyclopedia.spr.ac.uk/articles/cd-broad">Society for Psychical Research</a><strong>.</strong></p><p><em>Context:</em> Broad was a religious skeptic and one of Cambridge&#8217;s leading analytic philosophers. He regarded survival as a serious possibility, not an established fact.</p><h2><strong>Georg Cantor</strong></h2><blockquote><p>&#8220;I entertain no doubts as to the truth of the transfinites, which I have recognized with God&#8217;s help and which, in their diversity, I have studied for more than twenty years.&#8221;</p><p>&#8220;But now I thank God, the all-wise and all-good, that He always denied me the fulfillment of this wish ... for He thereby constrained me, through a deeper penetration into theology, to serve Him and His Holy Roman Catholic Church better than I have been able with my exclusive preoccupation with mathematics.&#8221;</p></blockquote><p><strong>Georg Cantor, letters to Ignatius Jeiler (Whitsuntide 1888) and to Charles Hermite (January 1894), translated in Joseph W. Dauben, </strong><em><strong>Georg Cantor: His Mathematics and Philosophy of the Infinite</strong></em><strong>, Harvard University Press, 1979, p. 147; his correspondence with Cardinal Franzelin on the Absolute Infinite is at p. 145.</strong></p><p><em>Context:</em> These are Cantor&#8217;s own words, from his letters, and they express a settled lifelong conviction rather than a passing remark. He believed transfinite set theory had been shown to him &#8220;with God&#8217;s help,&#8221; corresponded for years with Catholic theologians, and at times cast himself as God&#8217;s reporter. He was careful, though, to separate the two infinities: the Absolute Infinite he reserved for God alone, while his transfinite numbers were created and mathematical, a distinction he used to answer Cardinal Franzelin&#8217;s worry that the theory verged on pantheism. His theology was his motivation and his metaphysics, not his proof; set theory is accepted today on mathematical grounds, wholly independent of the beliefs that inspired it.</p><h2><strong>Rudolf Carnap</strong></h2><blockquote><p>&#8220;The question of the existence and explanation of the alleged parapsychological phenomena was an important scientific problem.&#8221;</p></blockquote><p><strong>Rudolf Carnap, </strong><a href="https://www.fitelson.org/confirmation/carnap_schilpp_volume.pdf">&#8220;Intellectual Autobiography&#8221;</a><strong>, in Paul Arthur Schilpp, ed., </strong><em><strong>The Philosophy of Rudolf Carnap</strong></em><strong>, Open Court, 1963, p. 25.</strong></p><blockquote><p>&#8220;We ... defended the right to examine objectively and scientifically all processes or alleged processes.&#8221;</p></blockquote><p><strong>Carnap, &#8220;Intellectual Autobiography,&#8221; pp. 22&#8211;23.</strong></p><p><em>Context:</em> Carnap withheld belief in s&#233;ances and spirits. The architect of logical empiricism defended parapsychology as an intelligible empirical question rather than dismissing it by definition.</p><h2><strong>Nancy Cartwright</strong></h2><blockquote><p>&#8220;For all we know, most of what occurs in nature occurs by hap, subject to no law at all.&#8221;</p></blockquote><p><strong>Nancy Cartwright, </strong><em><a href="https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/dappled-world/86851744699530B9C4F2A19E8A610331">The Dappled World: A Study of the Boundaries of Science</a></em><strong>, Cambridge University Press, 1999, p. 1.</strong></p><blockquote><p>&#8220;The laws that describe this world are a patchwork, not a pyramid.&#8221;</p></blockquote><p><strong>Cartwright, </strong><em><strong>The Dappled World</strong></em><strong>, p. 1.</strong></p><p><em>Context:</em> Cartwright accepts science while denying the inference from physics succeeding in specially organized domains to physics universally governing everything in one closed deductive system.</p><h2><strong>Noam Chomsky</strong></h2><blockquote><p>&#8220;My hunch ... is that the answer to the riddle of free will lies in the domain of potential science that the human mind can never master.&#8221;</p></blockquote><p><strong>Noam Chomsky, </strong><a href="https://chomsky.info/198311__/">&#8220;Things No Amount of Learning Can Teach&#8221;</a><strong>, interview with John Gliedman, </strong><em><strong>Omni</strong></em><strong>, November 1983.</strong></p><blockquote><p>&#8220;We have a body of scientific knowledge that simply doesn&#8217;t appear to connect with the problem of free will in any way.&#8221;</p></blockquote><p><strong>Chomsky, </strong><a href="https://chomsky.info/198311__/">&#8220;Things No Amount of Learning Can Teach&#8221;</a><strong>.</strong></p><p><em>Context:</em> Chomsky appeals to neither a soul nor quantum indeterminacy. His stranger claim is that free will may have a scientific explanation that human cognitive architecture makes permanently inaccessible to us.</p><div id="youtube2-pUWmTXkpHjE" class="youtube-wrap" data-attrs="{&quot;videoId&quot;:&quot;pUWmTXkpHjE&quot;,&quot;startTime&quot;:null,&quot;endTime&quot;:null}" data-component-name="Youtube2ToDOM"><div class="youtube-inner"><iframe src="https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/pUWmTXkpHjE?rel=0&amp;autoplay=0&amp;showinfo=0&amp;enablejsapi=0" frameborder="0" loading="lazy" gesture="media" allow="autoplay; fullscreen" allowautoplay="true" allowfullscreen="true" width="728" height="409"></iframe></div></div><h2><strong>Francis Crick</strong></h2><blockquote><p>&#8220;How it will all turn out remains to be seen. The Astonishing Hypothesis may be proved correct. Alternatively, some view closer to the religious one may become more plausible.&#8221;</p></blockquote><p><strong>Francis Crick, </strong><em><a href="https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Astonishing-Hypothesis/Francis-Crick/9780684801582">The Astonishing Hypothesis: The Scientific Search for the Soul</a></em><strong>, Scribner, 1994, p. 263.</strong></p><p><em>Context:</em> Crick&#8217;s book argues that mental life depends on neuronal activity. He continued by allowing a third possibility: a new view unlike both crude materialism and religion. This is a statement of falsifiability, not evidence that he privately rejected his own hypothesis. In a 1973 <em><a href="https://doi.org/10.1016/0019-1035%2873%2990110-3">Icarus</a></em><a href="https://doi.org/10.1016/0019-1035%2873%2990110-3"> paper</a> with Leslie Orgel and in his 1981 book <em><a href="https://archive.org/details/lifeitselfitsori0000cric">Life Itself</a></em>, Crick also floated &#8216;directed panspermia,&#8217; the hypothesis that the first microorganisms may have been deliberately sent to Earth by an advanced extraterrestrial civilization; he offered it as a serious if avowedly speculative conjecture prompted by the difficulty of explaining life&#8217;s origin, stressing that the evidence could not yet judge it.</p><h2><strong>Charles Darwin</strong></h2><blockquote><p>&#8220;When thus reflecting I feel compelled to look to a First Cause having an intelligent mind ... and I deserve to be called a Theist.&#8221;</p></blockquote><p><strong>Charles Darwin, </strong><em><a href="https://darwin-online.org.uk/converted/published/1958_Autobiography_F1497/1958_Autobiography_F1497.html">The Autobiography of Charles Darwin 1809&#8211;1882</a></em><strong>, restored ed. Nora Barlow, 1958, pp. 92&#8211;93.</strong></p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Arhy!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fef07bc61-0188-499f-a589-d3e3c7267b67_1330x747.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Arhy!, /__u/curtjaimungal.substack.com/w_424, /__u/curtjaimungal.substack.com/c_limit, /__u/curtjaimungal.substack.com/f_webp, /__u/curtjaimungal.substack.com/q_auto:good, /__u/curtjaimungal.substack.com/fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fef07bc61-0188-499f-a589-d3e3c7267b67_1330x747.jpeg 424w, /__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Arhy!, /__u/curtjaimungal.substack.com/w_848, /__u/curtjaimungal.substack.com/c_limit, 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Cambridge University Library manuscript via Darwin Online.</figcaption></figure></div><blockquote><p>&#8220;This conclusion was strong in my mind about the time, as far as I can remember, when I wrote the <em>Origin of Species</em>.&#8221;</p></blockquote><p><strong>Darwin, </strong><em><strong>Autobiography</strong></em><strong>, p. 93.</strong></p><p><em>Context:</em> Darwin immediately says this conviction gradually weakened. Late in life he generally described himself as agnostic. The quotation documents a position he held near the writing of <em>Origin</em>, not his final verdict.</p><h2><strong>Richard Dawkins</strong></h2><blockquote><p>&#8220;We, alone on earth, can rebel against the tyranny of the selfish replicators.&#8221;</p></blockquote><p><strong>Richard Dawkins, </strong><em><a href="https://global.oup.com/academic/product/the-selfish-gene-9780198788607">The Selfish Gene</a></em><strong>, Oxford University Press, 1976, concluding sentence of the first edition.</strong></p><blockquote><p>&#8220;As an academic scientist I am a passionate Darwinian ... I am a passionate anti-Darwinian when it comes to politics and how we should conduct our human affairs.&#8221;</p></blockquote><p><strong>Richard Dawkins, </strong><em><a href="https://archive.org/details/devilschaplainre0000dawk">A Devil&#8217;s Chaplain</a></em><strong>, Houghton Mifflin, 2003, title essay.</strong></p><p><em>Context:</em> Dawkins insists our capacity to rebel against our genetic programming is itself a human achievement. He rejects the idea that evolutionary explanation determines human value or tells us what we ought to become.</p><h2><strong>John Dewey</strong></h2><blockquote><p>&#8220;One reason why personally I think it fitting to use the word &#8216;God&#8217; to denote that uniting of the ideal and actual ... lies in the fact that aggressive atheism seems to me to have something in common with traditional supernaturalism.&#8221;</p></blockquote><p><strong>John Dewey, </strong><em><a href="https://www.degruyter.com/document/doi/10.12987/9780300173468/html">A Common Faith</a></em><strong>, Yale University Press, 1934, pp. 51&#8211;52.</strong></p><p><em>Context:</em> Dewey rejected supernatural theism. He nevertheless defended religious experience and deliberately retained &#8220;God&#8221; for the active union of ideal possibilities with actual human life.</p><h2><strong>Paul Dirac</strong></h2><blockquote><p>&#8220;One could perhaps describe the situation by saying that God is a mathematician of a very high order.&#8221;</p></blockquote><p><strong>Paul Dirac, </strong><a href="https://www.scientificamerican.com/blog/guest-blog/the-evolution-of-the-physicists-picture-of-nature/">&#8220;The Evolution of the Physicist&#8217;s Picture of Nature&#8221;</a><strong>, </strong><em><strong>Scientific American</strong></em><strong> 208, no. 5, May 1963, pp. 45&#8211;53.</strong></p><p><em>Context:</em> Dirac was famously hostile to religion. The opening qualifier matters: this is his metaphor for the extraordinary mathematical order of physical theory, not a confession of theism.</p><h2><strong>Theodosius Dobzhansky</strong></h2><blockquote><p>&#8220;I am a creationist and an evolutionist. Evolution is God&#8217;s, or Nature&#8217;s method of creation.&#8221;</p></blockquote><p><strong>Theodosius Dobzhansky, </strong><a href="https://biologie-lernprogramme.de/daten/programme/js/homologer/daten/lit/Dobzhansky.pdf">&#8220;Nothing in Biology Makes Sense Except in the Light of Evolution&#8221;</a><strong>, </strong><em><strong>The American Biology Teacher</strong></em><strong> 35, no. 3, 1973, p. 129.</strong></p><p><em>Context:</em> Dobzhansky was raised in the Russian Orthodox tradition and remained religious throughout his life, though his student and biographer Francisco Ayala records that he rejected belief in a personal God and in an afterlife. He was a central architect of the modern evolutionary synthesis. His &#8220;creationism&#8221; meant ongoing theistic evolution, not young-earth creationism or rejection of common descent.</p><h2><strong>Ronald Dworkin</strong></h2><blockquote><p>&#8220;Religion, we should say, does not necessarily mean a belief in God.&#8221;</p></blockquote><p><strong>Ronald Dworkin, </strong><a href="https://www.nybooks.com/articles/2013/04/04/religion-without-god/">&#8220;Religion Without God&#8221;</a><strong>, </strong><em><strong>The New York Review of Books</strong></em><strong>, 4 April 2013.</strong></p><blockquote><p>&#8220;The religious attitude accepts the full, independent reality of value.&#8221;</p></blockquote><p><strong>Dworkin, &#8220;Religion Without God.&#8221;</strong></p><blockquote><p>&#8220;&#8230;human life has objective meaning or importance.&#8221;</p></blockquote><p><strong>Dworkin, &#8220;Religion Without God.&#8221;</strong></p><p><em>Context:</em> Dworkin was an atheist. He used &#8220;religious&#8221; for commitment to objective value, the intrinsic importance of a life lived well, and the sublimity of nature.</p><h2><strong>Freeman Dyson</strong></h2><blockquote><p>&#8220;I claim that paranormal phenomena may really exist but may not be accessible to scientific investigation.&#8221;</p></blockquote><p><strong>Freeman Dyson, </strong><a href="https://www.nybooks.com/articles/2004/03/25/one-in-a-million/">&#8220;One in a Million&#8221;</a><strong>, </strong><em><strong>The New York Review of Books</strong></em><strong>, 25 March 2004.</strong></p><p><em>Context:</em> Dyson accepted that controlled attempts to establish telepathy and ESP had failed. He called real but scientifically inaccessible paranormal phenomena a hypothesis, said he was not claiming it was true, and judged it tenable and plausible. His proposed incompatibility between strong emotion and controlled testing was speculation, not an experimental result.</p><h2><strong>John C. Eccles</strong></h2><blockquote><p>&#8220;I maintain that the human mystery is incredibly demeaned by scientific reductionism, with its claim in promissory materialism to account eventually for all of the spiritual world in terms of patterns of neuronal activity.&#8221;</p></blockquote><p><strong>John C. Eccles, </strong><em><a href="https://archive.org/details/evolutionofbrain0000eccl">Evolution of the Brain: Creation of the Self</a></em><strong>, Routledge, 1989, p. 241.</strong></p><p><em>Context:</em> Eccles won the Nobel Prize for discovering how signals cross the synapse, and here the working neurophysiologist argues that reductive materialism cannot account for the unified conscious self. &#8220;Promissory materialism,&#8221; a phrase from his long collaboration with Karl Popper, names the IOU that neuroscience will eventually explain all of mind in neural terms; Eccles called believing it a superstition. His own dualist alternative, a non-material self that acts on the brain, has little support among today&#8217;s neuroscientists, while the explanatory gap he pressed remains a live problem. He is marking a limit of reduction, not claiming to have located a soul.</p><h2><strong>Albert Einstein</strong></h2><blockquote><p>&#8220;The results of the telepathic experiments ... stand surely far beyond those which a nature investigator holds to be thinkable.&#8221;</p></blockquote><p><strong>Albert Einstein, preface to Upton Sinclair, </strong><em><a href="https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/63693/pg63693-images.html">Mental Radio</a></em><strong>, 1930, p. ix.</strong></p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Cw2j!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa5db13b3-3801-408e-a93e-9029e9fed025_1400x787.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Cw2j!, /__u/curtjaimungal.substack.com/w_424, 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/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Cw2j!, /__u/curtjaimungal.substack.com/w_1456, /__u/curtjaimungal.substack.com/c_limit, /__u/curtjaimungal.substack.com/f_auto, /__u/curtjaimungal.substack.com/q_auto:good, /__u/curtjaimungal.substack.com/fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa5db13b3-3801-408e-a93e-9029e9fed025_1400x787.jpeg 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Einstein&#8217;s signed German preface to Mental Radio, dated 23 May 1930. Scanned edition.</figcaption></figure></div><blockquote><p>&#8220;I did it without revealing my lack of conviction ... I admit frankly my skepticism in respect to all such beliefs and theories.&#8221;</p></blockquote><p><strong>Einstein, </strong><a href="https://cdn.centerforinquiry.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/29/1977/10/22165504/p53.pdf">letter to Jan Ehrenwald</a><strong>, 13 May 1946; reproduced with permission of the Einstein estate in Martin Gardner, &#8220;Einstein and ESP,&#8221; </strong><em><strong>The Zetetic</strong></em><strong>, Fall/Winter 1977, p. 55.</strong></p><p><em>Context:</em> Einstein supplied the 1930 preface from friendship and later clarified that it concealed his lack of conviction. The pair shows how an authentic quotation can imply a belief the speaker denied holding.</p><h2><strong>Richard Feynman</strong></h2><blockquote><p>&#8220;I can find no better expression of my beliefs of morality ... than is in that encyclical.&#8221;</p></blockquote><p><strong>Feynman, </strong><em><a href="https://archive.org/details/meaningofitallth00feyn">The Meaning of It All</a></em><strong>, Perseus, 1998, lecture 3, discussing Pope John XXIII&#8217;s </strong><em><strong>Pacem in Terris</strong></em><strong>.</strong></p><p><em>Context:</em> Feynman didn&#8217;t accept the encyclical&#8217;s divine grounding. He still considered conventional religious belief logically consistent with science and thought a papal text expressed his morality better than anything else he knew.</p><p>There&#8217;s also this one below from Feynman:</p><blockquote><p>Western civilization, it seems to me, stands by two great heritages. One is the scientific spirit of adventure &#8211; the adventure into the unknown, an unknown which must be recognized as being unknown in order to be explored; the demand that the unanswerable mysteries of the universe remain unanswered; the attitude that all is uncertain; to summarize it &#8211; the humility of the intellect. The other great heritage is Christian ethics &#8211; the basis of action on love, the brotherhood of all men, the value of the individual &#8211; the humility of the spirit.</p><p style="text-align: justify;">These two heritages are logically, thoroughly consistent. But logic is not all; one needs one&#8217;s heart to follow an idea. If people are going back to religion, what are they going back to? Is the modern church a place to give comfort to a man who doubts God&#8209;more, one who disbelieves in God? Is the modern church a place to give comfort and encouragement to the value of such doubts? So far, have we not drawn strength and comfort to maintain the one or the other of these consistent heritages in a way which attacks the values of the other? Is this unavoidable? How can we draw inspiration to support these two pillars of western civilization so that they may stand together in full vigor, mutually unafraid? Is this not the central problem of our time?</p></blockquote><h2><strong>Antony Flew</strong></h2><blockquote><p>&#8220;The case for an Aristotelian God who has the characteristics of power and also intelligence, is now much stronger than it ever was before.&#8221;</p></blockquote><p><strong>Antony Flew, interview with Gary Habermas, </strong><a href="https://digitalcommons.liberty.edu/lts_fac_pubs/333/">&#8220;My Pilgrimage from Atheism to Theism&#8221;</a><strong>, </strong><em><strong>Philosophia Christi</strong></em><strong> 6, no. 2, 2004, pp. 197&#8211;211.</strong></p><p><em>Context:</em> Flew had spent half a century as one of philosophy&#8217;s most prominent defenders of atheism. His late position was deism, not Christianity: he continued to reject revelation, resurrection, divine moral governance, and personal survival. Later coauthored presentations of his conversion generated legitimate concerns about assistance and declining health, so this entry rests on his direct 2004 interview rather than the 2007 book.</p><h2><strong>Sigmund Freud</strong></h2><blockquote><p>&#8220;I must urge you to have kindlier thoughts on the objective possibility of thought-transference and at the same time of telepathy as well.&#8221;</p></blockquote><p><strong>Sigmund Freud, &#8220;Dreams and Occultism,&#8221; </strong><em><strong>New Introductory Lectures on Psycho-Analysis</strong></em><strong>, lecture XXX, trans. James Strachey, </strong><em><a href="https://archive.org/details/standardeditiono22freu">Standard Edition</a></em><a href="https://archive.org/details/standardeditiono22freu"> vol. 22</a><strong>, 1964, pp. 54&#8211;55.</strong></p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!z_c6!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2c368a56-4f5c-4dec-88df-441a5035e149_1139x639.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!z_c6!, /__u/curtjaimungal.substack.com/w_424, /__u/curtjaimungal.substack.com/c_limit, /__u/curtjaimungal.substack.com/f_webp, /__u/curtjaimungal.substack.com/q_auto:good, 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/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!z_c6!, /__u/curtjaimungal.substack.com/w_1456, /__u/curtjaimungal.substack.com/c_limit, /__u/curtjaimungal.substack.com/f_auto, /__u/curtjaimungal.substack.com/q_auto:good, /__u/curtjaimungal.substack.com/fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2c368a56-4f5c-4dec-88df-441a5035e149_1139x639.jpeg 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Freud&#8217;s original German text, asking readers to think more kindly about the objective possibility of thought-transference and telepathy. 1933 edition, p. 76.</figcaption></figure></div><blockquote><p>Freud described his position as not being entirely convinced but prepared to be convinced.</p></blockquote><p><strong>Freud, &#8220;Dreams and Occultism.&#8221;</strong></p><p><em>Context:</em> Freud dismissed most occult reports and imagined telepathy, if real, as an unknown natural process. But he didn&#8217;t dismiss thought-transference as impossible or merely fraudulent.</p><h2><strong>Martin Gardner</strong></h2><blockquote><p>&#8220;I believe in a personal god, and I believe in an afterlife, and I believe in prayer, but I don&#8217;t believe in any established religion.&#8221;</p></blockquote><p><strong>Martin Gardner, </strong><a href="https://cambridgeblog.org/2008/10/the-martin-gardner-interview-part-4/">Cambridge University Press interview</a><strong>, 2008.</strong></p><blockquote><p>&#8220;There&#8217;s no empirical evidence for it, and no logical proof, but the possibility is open.&#8221;</p></blockquote><p><strong>Gardner, Cambridge University Press interview, discussing survival after death.</strong></p><p><em>Context:</em> Gardner spent much of his career exposing pseudoscience and paranormal fraud. He described his theism as hope and faith, conceded that atheists had stronger arguments, and claimed no evidence for his belief.</p><h2><strong>Kurt G&#246;del</strong></h2><blockquote><p>&#8220;My theory is rationalistic, idealistic, optimistic, and theological.&#8221;</p></blockquote><p><strong>Kurt G&#246;del, recorded by Hao Wang in </strong><em><a href="https://mitpress.mit.edu/9780262730877/a-logical-journey/">A Logical Journey: From G&#246;del to Philosophy</a></em><strong>, MIT Press, 1996, pp. 8&#8211;9.</strong></p><blockquote><p>&#8220;My own religion is more similar to the religion of the churches.&#8221;</p></blockquote><p><strong>G&#246;del, recorded by Wang, </strong><em><strong>A Logical Journey</strong></em><strong>, pp. 152&#8211;153.</strong></p><blockquote><p>&#8220;If the world is rationally constructed and has meaning, then there must be such a thing [as an afterlife] ... But I am convinced of this, independently of any theology.&#8221;</p></blockquote><p><strong>G&#246;del, letter to his mother Marianne, 23 July 1961, translated in Wang, </strong><em><strong>A Logical Journey</strong></em><strong>, pp. 105&#8211;108; discussed in </strong><a href="https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11229-026-05641-7">&#8220;Why G&#246;del Believed in the Afterlife&#8221;</a><strong>.</strong></p><p><em>Context:</em> The first two statements are Hao Wang&#8217;s notes of private conversations rather than G&#246;del&#8217;s published philosophy. The afterlife passage comes from G&#246;del&#8217;s own private letter to his mother. These are genuine theological commitments, but they do not follow from his incompleteness theorems. Separately, G&#246;del worked out a formal <a href="https://global.oup.com/academic/product/collected-works-9780195072556">modal-logic proof of God&#8217;s existence</a>, a modern revival of the Anselm and Leibniz ontological argument, which he kept private, showed to the logician Dana Scott in 1970, and which appeared in print only after his death in his <em>Collected Works</em>, Vol. III (Oxford University Press, 1995); it was a deliberate exercise in logic.</p><h2><strong>Stephen Jay Gould</strong></h2><blockquote><p>&#8220;Science simply cannot ... adjudicate the issue of God&#8217;s possible superintendence of nature. We neither affirm nor deny it; we simply can&#8217;t comment on it as scientists.&#8221;</p></blockquote><p><strong>Stephen Jay Gould, &#8220;Impeaching a Self-Appointed Judge,&#8221; </strong><em><strong>Scientific American</strong></em><strong> 267, no. 1, July 1992, pp. 118&#8211;121; developed in </strong><a href="https://www.bennington.edu/doc/24366">&#8220;Nonoverlapping Magisteria&#8221;</a><strong>, 1997.</strong></p><p><em>Context:</em> Gould was an agnostic. His controversial NOMA principle assigned empirical facts to science and questions of ultimate meaning and moral value to religion and the humanities. Richard Dawkins explicitly rejected this division.</p><h2><strong>J&#252;rgen Habermas</strong></h2><blockquote><p>Secular society &#8220;need not cut itself off from the important resources of spiritual explanations.&#8221;</p></blockquote><p><strong>J&#252;rgen Habermas, </strong><a href="https://www.reachcambridge.com/wp-content/uploads/Ju%CC%88rgen-Habermas-Readings.pdf">&#8220;Faith and Knowledge&#8221;</a><strong>, Peace Prize of the German Book Trade address, 14 October 2001.</strong></p><blockquote><p>The secular side should &#8220;retain a feeling for the articulative power of religious discourse.&#8221;</p></blockquote><p><strong>Habermas, &#8220;Faith and Knowledge.&#8221;</strong></p><p><em>Context:</em> Habermas remained a postmetaphysical thinker and methodological atheist. He argued that secular reason may lose moral meanings if it refuses to learn from religious language.</p><h2><strong>J. B. S. Haldane</strong></h2><blockquote><p>&#8220;It seems to me immensely unlikely that mind is a mere by-product of matter.&#8221;</p></blockquote><p><strong>J. B. S. Haldane, </strong><a href="https://jbshaldane.org/books/1927-Possible-Worlds/haldane-1927-possible-worlds.html">&#8220;When I Am Dead&#8221;</a><strong>, </strong><em><strong>Possible Worlds and Other Essays</strong></em><strong>, 1927, pp. 209&#8211;210.</strong></p><blockquote><p>&#8220;It seems to me quite as probable that it will lose its limitations and be merged into an infinite mind ... which I have reason to suspect probably exists behind nature.&#8221;</p></blockquote><p><strong>Haldane, &#8220;When I Am Dead,&#8221; pp. 209&#8211;210.</strong></p><blockquote><p>&#8220;The data of the mystical consciousness can usefully supplement those of the mind in its normal state.&#8221;</p></blockquote><p><strong>Haldane, </strong><a href="https://jbshaldane.org/books/1927-Possible-Worlds/haldane-1927-possible-worlds.html">&#8220;Possible Worlds&#8221;</a><strong>, p. 286.</strong></p><p><em>Context:</em> Haldane rejected most mediumistic testimony and remained agnostic about personal survival. He also thought materialism, Christianity, theosophy, and Kantianism were all too simple.</p><div class="subscription-widget-wrap-editor" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://curtjaimungal.substack.com/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe&quot;,&quot;language&quot;:&quot;en&quot;}" data-component-name="SubscribeWidgetToDOM"><div class="subscription-widget show-subscribe"><div class="preamble"><p class="cta-caption">This Substack is reader-supported. To receive new posts and support my work, consider becoming a free or paid subscriber.</p></div><form class="subscription-widget-subscribe"><input type="email" class="email-input" name="email" placeholder="Type your email&#8230;" tabindex="-1"><input type="submit" class="button primary" value="Subscribe"><div class="fake-input-wrapper"><div class="fake-input"></div><div class="fake-button"></div></div></form></div></div><h2><strong>G. H. Hardy</strong></h2><blockquote><p>&#8220;I believe that mathematical reality lies outside us, that our function is to discover or observe it.&#8221;</p></blockquote><p><strong>G. H. Hardy, </strong><em><a href="https://web.njit.edu/~akansu/PAPERS/GHHardy-AMathematiciansApology.pdf">A Mathematician&#8217;s Apology</a></em><strong>, Cambridge University Press, 1940, section 22.</strong></p><p><em>Context:</em> Hardy was a combative atheist. His mathematical Platonism affirms a nonphysical domain that mathematicians discover rather than invent; it makes no theistic claim.</p><h2><strong>Sam Harris</strong></h2><blockquote><p>&#8220;There is more to understanding the human condition than science and secular culture generally admit.&#8221;</p></blockquote><p><strong>Sam Harris, </strong><em><a href="https://www.simonandschuster.net/books/Waking-Up/Sam-Harris/9781451636024">Waking Up: A Guide to Spirituality Without Religion</a></em><strong>, Simon &amp; Schuster, 2014, chapter 1.</strong></p><blockquote><p>&#8220;Jesus, the Buddha, Lao Tzu, and the other saints and sages of history had not all been epileptics, schizophrenics, or frauds.&#8221;</p></blockquote><p><strong>Harris, </strong><em><strong>Waking Up</strong></em><strong>, chapter 1.</strong></p><p><em>Context:</em> Harris continued to condemn religious doctrines he considered false. His concession is experiential: contemplative traditions may contain important psychological truths that ordinary secular culture overlooks.</p><h2><strong>Harry Houdini</strong></h2><blockquote><p>&#8220;I too would have parted gladly with a large share of my earthly possessions for the solace of one word from my loved departed ...&#8221;</p><p>&#8220;... after twenty-five years of ardent research and endeavor I declare that nothing has been revealed to convince me that intercommunication has been established between the Spirits of the departed and those still in the flesh.&#8221;</p></blockquote><p><strong>Harry Houdini, </strong><em><a href="https://www.gutenberg.org/files/66451/66451-h/66451-h.htm">A Magician Among the Spirits</a></em><strong>, Harper &amp; Brothers, 1924, Introduction.</strong></p><p><em>Context:</em> Houdini is a reverse trajectory. Grief drew him toward the s&#233;ance room, above all the hope of hearing from his adored late mother, and he publicly offered rewards to any medium who could produce a genuine phenomenon under test. After roughly twenty-five years of investigation he concluded that every medium he examined was fraudulent. He did not claim to have proven survival impossible, only that nothing in his long inquiry had established contact with the dead; the openness and the verdict both belong on the record.</p><h2><strong>Fred Hoyle</strong></h2><blockquote><p>&#8220;A common sense interpretation of the facts suggests that a superintellect has monkeyed with physics, as well as with chemistry and biology.&#8221;</p></blockquote><p><strong>Fred Hoyle, </strong><a href="https://calteches.library.caltech.edu/3312/">&#8220;The Universe: Past and Present Reflections&#8221;</a><strong>, </strong><em><strong>Engineering and Science</strong></em><strong> 45, no. 2, November 1981, p. 12.</strong></p><p><em>Context:</em> Hoyle&#8217;s inference combined nuclear fine-tuning with his heterodox ideas about cosmic life and panspermia. He did not become a Christian, and his biological claims were not accepted by mainstream science. The surprise is that an atheist astronomer inferred a superintellect, not that physics established one.</p><h2><strong>Thomas Henry Huxley</strong></h2><blockquote><p>How consciousness arises from irritated nervous tissue &#8220;is just as unaccountable as the appearance of the Djin when Aladdin rubbed his lamp.&#8221;</p></blockquote><p><strong>Thomas Henry Huxley, </strong><em><a href="https://archive.org/download/b21928009/b21928009.pdf">Lessons in Elementary Physiology</a></em><strong>, Macmillan, 1866, p. 193.</strong></p><p><em>Context:</em> &#8220;Darwin&#8217;s bulldog&#8221; later removed the Djin comparison but retained the substantive claim that consciousness was as unaccountable as any ultimate fact of nature. The analogy marks an explanatory gap, not belief in supernatural beings.</p><h2><strong>Stuart Kauffman</strong></h2><blockquote><p>&#8220;With agency came values, meaning, and doing, all of which are as real in the universe as particles in motion.&#8221;</p></blockquote><p><strong>Stuart Kauffman, </strong><em><strong>Reinventing the Sacred</strong></em><strong>, Basic Books, 2008, preface, pp. ix&#8211;xi.</strong></p><blockquote><p>&#8220;A couple in love walking along the banks of the Seine are, in real fact, a couple in love ... not mere particles in motion.&#8221;</p></blockquote><p><strong>Kauffman, </strong><em><strong>Reinventing the Sacred</strong></em><strong>.</strong></p><p><em>Context:</em> Kauffman rejects a creator God and proposes a natural sacred. His claim is that agency, value, and meaning are objectively real emergent features that are not replaced by particle descriptions.</p><div id="youtube2-WKGx2YKgs9M" class="youtube-wrap" data-attrs="{&quot;videoId&quot;:&quot;WKGx2YKgs9M&quot;,&quot;startTime&quot;:null,&quot;endTime&quot;:null}" data-component-name="Youtube2ToDOM"><div class="youtube-inner"><iframe src="https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/WKGx2YKgs9M?rel=0&amp;autoplay=0&amp;showinfo=0&amp;enablejsapi=0" frameborder="0" loading="lazy" gesture="media" allow="autoplay; fullscreen" allowautoplay="true" allowfullscreen="true" width="728" height="409"></iframe></div></div><h2><strong>Michael Levin</strong></h2><blockquote><p>&#8220;I actually think that the Platonic view is more correct ... I think it&#8217;s a space of minds as well.&#8221;</p></blockquote><p><strong>Michael Levin, </strong><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8iFtaltX-s">&#8220;Consciousness, Universal Mind, Emergence&#8221;</a><strong>, </strong><em><strong>Theories of Everything</strong></em><strong>, 16:57 and 18:04.</strong></p><blockquote><p>&#8220;The hardware does not define you.&#8221;</p></blockquote><p><strong>Levin, same interview, 37:07.</strong></p><p><em>Context:</em> Levin identifies the Platonic proposal as personal speculation, not an experimental conclusion. His laboratory claims are narrower: goals, memory, and problem-solving occur at biological scales where molecular description alone is predictively unhelpful.</p><div id="youtube2-hG6GIzNM0aM" class="youtube-wrap" data-attrs="{&quot;videoId&quot;:&quot;hG6GIzNM0aM&quot;,&quot;startTime&quot;:null,&quot;endTime&quot;:null}" data-component-name="Youtube2ToDOM"><div class="youtube-inner"><iframe src="https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/hG6GIzNM0aM?rel=0&amp;autoplay=0&amp;showinfo=0&amp;enablejsapi=0" frameborder="0" loading="lazy" gesture="media" allow="autoplay; fullscreen" allowautoplay="true" allowfullscreen="true" width="728" height="409"></iframe></div></div><h2><strong>Karl Marx</strong></h2><blockquote><p>&#8220;Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions.&#8221;</p></blockquote><p><strong>Karl Marx, </strong><a href="https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1843/critique-hpr/intro.htm">&#8220;A Contribution to the Critique of Hegel&#8217;s Philosophy of Right: Introduction&#8221;</a><strong>, 1844.</strong></p><blockquote><p>&#8220;Religious suffering is, at one and the same time, the expression of real suffering and a protest against real suffering.&#8221;</p></blockquote><p><strong>Marx, &#8220;Critique of Hegel&#8217;s Philosophy of Right.&#8221;</strong></p><p><em>Context:</em> Marx proceeds to call religion the opium of the people and demands the abolition of illusory happiness. The often-omitted sentences show that he also understood religion as consolation, moral protest, and the displaced human heart of an inhuman world.</p><h2><strong>Peter Medawar</strong></h2><blockquote><p>&#8220;Scientists do not speak on religion from a privileged position except insofar as those with a predilection for the Argument from Design have better opportunities than laymen to see the grandeur of the natural order of things, whatever they may make of it.&#8221;</p></blockquote><p><strong>Peter Medawar, </strong><em><a href="https://archive.org/details/advicetoyoungsci0000meda">Advice to a Young Scientist</a></em><strong>, Harper &amp; Row, 1979, p. 31.</strong></p><blockquote><p>&#8220;That there is indeed a limit upon science is made very likely by the existence of questions that science cannot answer and that no conceivable advance of science would empower it to answer.&#8221;</p></blockquote><p><strong>Peter Medawar, </strong><em><a href="https://openlibrary.org/works/OL2471127W">The Limits of Science</a></em><strong>, Harper &amp; Row, 1984, pp. 59&#8211;60.</strong></p><p><em>Context:</em> Medawar&#8217;s examples included &#8220;What are we all here for?&#8221; and &#8220;What is the point of living?&#8221; The Nobel immunologist was a hard rationalist who often attacked theology and pseudoscience. Yet he thought treating questions of meaning as scientific pseudoquestions discredited science.</p><h2><strong>John Stuart Mill</strong></h2><blockquote><p>&#8220;&#8230;the adaptations in Nature afford a large balance of probability in favour of creation by intelligence.&#8221;</p></blockquote><p><strong>John Stuart Mill, </strong><em><a href="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/ca/Three_essays_on_religion_%28IA_cu31924020335620%29.pdf">Three Essays on Religion</a></em><strong>, &#8220;Theism,&#8221; Henry Holt, 1874, p. 174.</strong></p><blockquote><p>&#8220;Whatever else may be taken away from us by rational criticism, Christ is still left; a unique figure &#8230;&#8221;</p></blockquote><p><strong>Mill, </strong><em><strong>Three Essays on Religion</strong></em><strong>, p. 253.</strong></p><p><em>Context:</em> Mill called the design inference only probable and thought evolutionary explanation could weaken it. His praise of Christ concerns moral originality, not divinity, miracles, or resurrection.</p><h2><strong>Iris Murdoch</strong></h2><blockquote><p>Prayer is &#8220;properly not petition, but simply an attention to God which is a form of love.&#8221;</p></blockquote><p><strong>Iris Murdoch, </strong><em><a href="https://archive.org/details/sovereigntyofgoo0000murd">The Sovereignty of Good</a></em><strong>, &#8220;On &#8216;God&#8217; and &#8216;Good&#8217;,&#8221; Routledge, 1970, p. 55.</strong></p><blockquote><p>&#8220;I shall suggest that God was (or is) a single perfect transcendent non-representable and necessarily real object of attention.&#8221;</p></blockquote><p><strong>Murdoch, </strong><em><strong>The Sovereignty of Good</strong></em><strong>, p. 55.</strong></p><p><em>Context:</em> Murdoch rejected conventional theism. She wanted a secular moral life oriented toward a real, transcendent Good and modeled moral attention partly on prayer.</p><h2><strong>Thomas Nagel</strong></h2><blockquote><p>&#8220;I want atheism to be true ... It&#8217;s that I hope there is no God!&#8221;</p></blockquote><p><strong>Thomas Nagel, </strong><em><a href="https://global.oup.com/academic/product/the-last-word-9780195149838">The Last Word</a></em><strong>, Oxford University Press, 1997, pp. 130&#8211;131.</strong></p><blockquote><p>&#8220;I believe this is one manifestation of a fear of religion which has large and often pernicious consequences for modern intellectual life.&#8221;</p></blockquote><p><strong>Nagel, </strong><em><strong>The Last Word</strong></em><strong>, pp. 130&#8211;131.</strong></p><blockquote><p>Nature may contain &#8220;principles of the growth of order&#8221; that are &#8220;teleological rather than mechanistic.&#8221;</p></blockquote><p><strong>Thomas Nagel, </strong><em><a href="https://global.oup.com/academic/product/mind-and-cosmos-9780199919758">Mind and Cosmos</a></em><strong>, Oxford University Press, 2012, introduction.</strong></p><p><em>Context:</em> Nagel remains an atheist. His point is that emotional resistance to cosmic authority can bias atheists just as desire for God can bias believers. His teleology explicitly rejects divine intervention.</p><h2><strong>Isaac Newton</strong></h2><blockquote><p>&#8220;That gravity should be innate, inherent and essential to matter, so that one body may act upon another at a distance through a vacuum, without the mediation of any thing else ... is to me so great an absurdity that I believe no man who has in philosophical matters any competent faculty of thinking can ever fall into it.&#8221;</p></blockquote><p><strong>Isaac Newton, </strong><a href="https://www.newtonproject.ox.ac.uk/view/texts/normalized/THEM00258">letter to Richard Bentley</a><strong>, 25 February 1692/3; The Newton Project, THEM00258.</strong></p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Jc6g!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb4900688-7339-4043-bdae-23e94dd4c302_1400x787.jpeg" 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edition.</figcaption></figure></div><p><em>Context:</em> Newton is doubting his own theory, not abandoning it. His mathematics of gravitation stood, but he found it philosophically absurd that inert matter could act across empty space with nothing to carry the force between bodies, and he explicitly left open whether the cause was &#8220;material or immaterial.&#8221; A devout though heterodox anti-Trinitarian, he suspected a non-mechanical cause; later physics answered the puzzle differently, first with fields and then with general relativity&#8217;s curved spacetime. The passage records a great physicist&#8217;s unease about the foundations of his own success, not a claim that gravity requires the supernatural.</p><h2><strong>Friedrich Nietzsche</strong></h2><blockquote><p>&#8220;If one had the smallest vestige of superstition left in one, it would hardly be possible completely to set aside the idea that one is the mere incarnation, mouthpiece, or medium of an almighty power. 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8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Nietzsche&#8217;s original German text describing inspiration as incarnation, mouthpiece, medium, and revelation. Scanned edition of Ecce Homo, p. 91.</figcaption></figure></div><p><em>Context:</em> Nietzsche is describing the involuntary, ecstatic experience of composing <em>Thus Spoke Zarathustra</em>. &#8220;Revelation&#8221; is phenomenological language, not a claim that God dictated the work. <em>Ecce Homo</em> is also intentionally hyperbolic.</p><h2><strong>Wolfgang Pauli</strong></h2><blockquote><p>&#8220;It would be most satisfactory of all if physis and psyche could be seen as complementary aspects of the same reality.&#8221;</p></blockquote><p><strong>Wolfgang Pauli, </strong><a href="https://archive.org/details/x-the-interpretation-of-nature-and-the-psyche">&#8220;The Influence of Archetypal Ideas on the Scientific Theories of Kepler&#8221;</a><strong>, in C. G. Jung and Wolfgang Pauli, </strong><em><strong>The Interpretation of Nature and the Psyche</strong></em><strong>, trans. Priscilla Silz, 1955, p. 209.</strong></p><p><em>Context:</em> Pauli spent decades corresponding with Carl Jung about dreams, archetypes, synchronicity, and a possible common ground of mind and matter. He was exploring a dual-aspect picture, not claiming that quantum mechanics proves Jungian psychology. Colleagues also spoke, half in jest, of the &#8216;Pauli effect,&#8217; his reputation for making laboratory equipment fail simply by being near it; the experimentalist Otto Stern is said to have <a href="https://library.ethz.ch/en/collections-and-archives/platforms/virtual-exhibitions/wolfgang-pauli-and-modern-physics/the-pauli-effect-anecdotes.html">barred him from his lab</a> over it, and Pauli, rather than only laughing it off, was willing to read such coincidences as instances of the acausal &#8216;synchronicity&#8217; he studied with Jung.</p><h2><strong>Wilder Penfield</strong></h2><blockquote><p>&#8220;Throughout my own scientific career I ... struggled to prove that the brain accounts for the mind. But now ... Do brain-mechanisms account for the mind?&#8221;</p></blockquote><p><strong>Wilder Penfield, </strong><em><a href="https://archive.org/details/mysteryofmind0000wild">The Mystery of the Mind</a></em><strong>, Princeton University Press, 1975, p. xiii.</strong></p><p><em>Context:</em> The pioneer of cortical mapping concluded that materialist monism remained an unproved hypothesis and that dualism deserved serious consideration. He didn&#8217;t claim that cortical stimulation had detected a soul.</p><h2><strong>Roger Penrose</strong></h2><blockquote><p>&#8220;I think I would say that the universe has a purpose. It&#8217;s not somehow just there by chance ... I think that there is something much deeper about it.&#8221;</p></blockquote><p><strong>Roger Penrose, interviewed in Errol Morris&#8217;s documentary </strong><em><strong>A Brief History of Time</strong></em><strong> (1991); transcript in Stephen Hawking, </strong><em><a href="https://archive.org/details/stephenhawkingsb0000unse">A Brief History of Time: A Reader&#8217;s Companion</a></em><strong>, Bantam, 1992.</strong></p><p><em>Context:</em> Penrose has also said that he isn&#8217;t a believer and accepts no established religion. His deliberately open use of &#8220;purpose&#8221; doesn&#8217;t endorse a creator God.</p><div id="youtube2-sGm505TFMbU" class="youtube-wrap" data-attrs="{&quot;videoId&quot;:&quot;sGm505TFMbU&quot;,&quot;startTime&quot;:null,&quot;endTime&quot;:null}" data-component-name="Youtube2ToDOM"><div class="youtube-inner"><iframe src="https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/sGm505TFMbU?rel=0&amp;autoplay=0&amp;showinfo=0&amp;enablejsapi=0" frameborder="0" loading="lazy" gesture="media" allow="autoplay; fullscreen" allowautoplay="true" allowfullscreen="true" width="728" height="409"></iframe></div></div><div class="captioned-button-wrap" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://curtjaimungal.substack.com/p/the-eldritch-things-famous-rationalists?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email&utm_content=share&action=share&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Share&quot;}" data-component-name="CaptionedButtonToDOM"><div class="preamble"><p class="cta-caption">Thanks for reading! This post is public so feel free to share it.</p></div><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://curtjaimungal.substack.com/p/the-eldritch-things-famous-rationalists?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email&utm_content=share&action=share&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Share&quot;}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="/__u/curtjaimungal.substack.com/p/the-eldritch-things-famous-rationalists?utm_source=substack&amp;utm_medium=email&amp;utm_content=share&amp;action=share"><span>Share</span></a></p></div><h2><strong>Max Planck</strong></h2><blockquote><p>&#8220;I regard consciousness as fundamental. I regard matter as derivative from consciousness. We cannot get behind consciousness.&#8221;</p></blockquote><p><strong>Max Planck, interview with J. W. N. Sullivan, &#8220;Interviews with Great Scientists, No. VI: Max Planck,&#8221; </strong><em><strong>The Observer</strong></em><strong> (London), 25 January 1931, p. 17.</strong></p><p><em>Context:</em> This comes from a newspaper interview, not from Planck&#8217;s physics, and nothing in quantum theory establishes it. The founder of quantum theory, and a lifelong theist who denied belief in a personal God, is stating a personal idealist metaphysics in which mind is prior to matter, closer to Berkeley or to Schr&#246;dinger&#8217;s Vedanta than to any laboratory result. It is a conviction about the starting point of all description, not a claim that observers create reality or that experiments have found consciousness inside matter. The widely circulated 1944 &#8220;Das Wesen der Materie&#8221; speech that pins a &#8220;conscious and intelligent Mind&#8221; behind all matter is a separate text the Max Planck Society&#8217;s own archive judges inauthentic, and this entry does not rest on it.</p><h2><strong>Karl Popper</strong></h2><blockquote><p>&#8220;Indeterminism and free will have become part of the physical and biological sciences.&#8221;</p></blockquote><p><strong>Karl Popper, </strong><em><a href="https://philpapers.org/rec/POPAWO-3">A World of Propensities</a></em><strong>, Thoemmes, 1990, pp. 17&#8211;18.</strong></p><p><em>Context:</em> Popper regarded determinism as an ideology and reality as objectively open. Indeterminism alone does not establish libertarian freedom; his conclusion depends on a broader account of propensities, emergence, and mental causation. That broader account is developed in <em><a href="https://link.springer.com/book/10.1007/978-3-642-61891-8">The Self and Its Brain: An Argument for Interactionism</a></em> (Springer, 1977), written with the Nobel-winning neurophysiologist John Eccles, in which Popper defends a mind-body interactionism and a self that acts on but is not reducible to the brain, and introduces the label &#8216;promissory materialism&#8217; for the rival view that neuroscience will eventually explain the mind away.</p><h2><strong>Hilary Putnam</strong></h2><blockquote><p>&#8220;I do believe in the reality of spiritual experience.&#8221;</p></blockquote><p><strong>Hilary Putnam, </strong><a href="https://www.pdcnet.org/collection/fshow?file_type=pdf&amp;id=ypr_2009_0005_0091_0099&amp;pdfname=ypr_2009_0005_0000_0091_0099.pdf">interview with Rachel Bayefsky and Erin Miller</a><strong>, </strong><em><strong>The Yale Philosophy Review</strong></em><strong> 5, 2009, pp. 91&#8211;99.</strong></p><blockquote><p>&#8220;It is a vision that illuminates my life and my way of experiencing the world. That&#8217;s not a theoretical vision. Theoretically I&#8217;m a naturalist.&#8221;</p></blockquote><p><strong>Putnam, </strong><em><strong>The Yale Philosophy Review</strong></em><strong> interview.</strong></p><p><em>Context:</em> Putnam was a practicing Jew who rejected God as a First Cause, rejected religious foundations for ethics, and didn&#8217;t believe in an afterlife. He distinguished lived spiritual reality from explanatory metaphysics.</p><h2><strong>Srinivasa Ramanujan</strong></h2><blockquote><p>&#8220;An equation for me has no meaning unless it expresses a thought of God.&#8221;</p></blockquote><p><strong>Srinivasa Ramanujan, reported remark to a friend, quoted in Robert Kanigel, </strong><em><a href="https://archive.org/details/manwhoknewinfini0000kani">The Man Who Knew Infinity: A Life of the Genius Ramanujan</a></em><strong>, Charles Scribner&#8217;s Sons, 1991; first recorded in S. R. Ranganathan, </strong><em><strong>Ramanujan: The Man and the Mathematician</strong></em><strong>, Asia Publishing House, 1967, p. 88.</strong></p><p><em>Context:</em> This is a reported saying, recalled by a friend and recorded in Ranganathan&#8217;s 1967 biography rather than written by Ramanujan, and it was said to a friend, not to Hardy, as dramatizations often imply. Ramanujan was sincerely devout and credited his family goddess, Namagiri of Namakkal, with revealing formulas to him in dreams. Yet Hardy, the atheist who knew his mathematics best, judged him closer to agnostic in actual belief and called him &#8220;no mystic&#8221;; later scholars note that much of the mystical story was romanticized by others and that his results were painstakingly worked out in his notebooks. The line captures how Ramanujan spoke about his work, not evidence that mathematics is divine dictation.</p><h2><strong>Carl Rogers</strong></h2><blockquote><p>&#8220;I now consider it possible that each of us is a continuing spiritual essence lasting over time, and occasionally incarnated in a human body.&#8221;</p></blockquote><p><strong>Carl Rogers, </strong><em><a href="https://archive.org/details/wayofbeing0000roge">A Way of Being</a></em><strong>, Houghton Mifflin, 1980, pp. 89&#8211;90.</strong></p><p><em>Context:</em> The founder of person-centered psychotherapy said experiences surrounding his wife&#8217;s death reversed his earlier belief that death probably ended the person. His evidence was personal and included a medium, near-death reports, and reincarnation literature, not controlled clinical research.</p><h2><strong>George John Romanes</strong></h2><blockquote><p>&#8220;I have since come to see that I was wrong touching what I constituted the basal argument for my negative conclusion.&#8221;</p></blockquote><p><strong>George John Romanes, </strong><em><a href="https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/16942/pg16942-images.html">Thoughts on Religion</a></em><strong>, ed. Charles Gore, Longmans, Green, 1895, p. 109.</strong></p><blockquote><p>Treating God&#8217;s existence &#8220;as if ... a merely physical problem to be solved by man&#8217;s reason alone&#8221; was itself opposed to reason.</p></blockquote><p><strong>Romanes, </strong><em><strong>Thoughts on Religion</strong></em><strong>, p. 101.</strong></p><p><em>Context:</em> Darwin&#8217;s prot&#233;g&#233; explicitly retracted the central negative argument of his youthful atheist book. His late notes were published posthumously and show movement toward belief, not an uncontested return to settled Anglican orthodoxy.</p><h2><strong>Bertrand Russell</strong></h2><blockquote><p>&#8220;At the end of those five minutes, I had become a completely different person. For a time, a sort of mystic illumination possessed me.&#8221;</p></blockquote><p><strong>Bertrand Russell, </strong><em><a href="https://russell-j.com/beginner/AoBR-TEXT.HTM">The Autobiography of Bertrand Russell</a></em><strong>, vol. 1, chapter 6.</strong></p><blockquote><p>&#8220;The unmystical, rationalistic view of life seems to me to omit all that is most important and most beautiful.&#8221;</p></blockquote><p><strong>Russell, letter to Goldsworthy Lowes Dickinson, 26 August 1902, reproduced in </strong><em><strong>The Autobiography of Bertrand Russell</strong></em><strong>, vol. 1, chapter 6.</strong></p><blockquote><p>Restrained mysticism contains &#8220;an element of wisdom ... which does not seem to be attainable in any other manner.&#8221;</p></blockquote><p><strong>Bertrand Russell, </strong><em><a href="https://www.gutenberg.org/files/25447/25447-h/25447-h.htm">Mysticism and Logic</a></em><strong>, 1918.</strong></p><p><em>Context:</em> Russell remained an atheist and called his imagined access to other minds during the illumination a delusion. He nevertheless said its ethical transformation remained with him throughout his life.</p><h2><strong>Carl Sagan</strong></h2><blockquote><p>&#8220;At the time of writing there are three claims in the ESP field which, in my opinion, deserve serious study.&#8221;</p></blockquote><p><strong>Carl Sagan, </strong><em><a href="https://www.loc.gov/item/cosmos000005/">The Demon-Haunted World</a></em><strong>, chapter 17, Headline edition, 1997, p. 285; authorial draft held by the Library of Congress.</strong></p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!NPA9!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff261924e-1b57-4b86-bd67-5482b6e795ac_1400x787.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!NPA9!, 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/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!NPA9!, /__u/curtjaimungal.substack.com/w_1456, /__u/curtjaimungal.substack.com/c_limit, /__u/curtjaimungal.substack.com/f_auto, /__u/curtjaimungal.substack.com/q_auto:good, /__u/curtjaimungal.substack.com/fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff261924e-1b57-4b86-bd67-5482b6e795ac_1400x787.jpeg 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Sagan&#8217;s marked authorial draft, naming the three ESP claims he thought deserved serious study. Library of Congress manuscript.</figcaption></figure></div><p><em>Context:</em> The three claims involved small effects on random-number generators, projected images received under mild sensory deprivation, and young children who reported apparently checkable details of previous lives. Sagan first said that most paranormal claims lacked firm support and that these three had only &#8220;some, although still dubious, experimental support.&#8221; He was calling for controlled inquiry, not endorsing ESP or reincarnation.</p><h2><strong>Erwin Schr&#246;dinger</strong></h2><blockquote><p>&#8220;Consciousness cannot be accounted for in physical terms. For consciousness is absolutely fundamental.&#8221;</p></blockquote><p><strong>Erwin Schr&#246;dinger, reported interview by J. W. N. Sullivan in </strong><em><strong>The Observer</strong></em><strong>, 11 January 1931; reprinted via </strong><em><strong>The New York Times</strong></em><strong>, 8 February 1931, and in </strong><em><a href="https://iapsop.com/archive/materials/aspr_proceedings/aspr_journal_v25_1931.pdf">Psychic Research</a></em><a href="https://iapsop.com/archive/materials/aspr_proceedings/aspr_journal_v25_1931.pdf"> 25</a><strong>, March 1931, p. 91.</strong></p><blockquote><p>&#8220;Consciousness is a singular of which the plural is unknown.&#8221;</p></blockquote><p><strong>Erwin Schr&#246;dinger, </strong><em><a href="https://ipae.uran.ru/sites/default/files/publications/ipae/5388_2013_Schrodinger.pdf">What Is Life?</a></em><strong>, Epilogue, Cambridge University Press, 1944, p. 89.</strong></p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" 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class="image-caption">Schr&#246;dinger&#8217;s &#8220;consciousness is a singular&#8221; passage in What Is Life?, p. 89. Scanned edition.</figcaption></figure></div><p><em>Context:</em> Schr&#246;dinger&#8217;s mature metaphysics was influenced by Vedanta and treated the plurality of minds as appearance. This was a philosophical commitment, not a result derived from his wave equation.</p><h2><strong>John Searle</strong></h2><blockquote><p>&#8220;From the fact that consciousness is entirely accounted for causally by neuron firings ... it does not follow that consciousness is nothing but neuron firings.&#8221;</p></blockquote><p><strong>John Searle, </strong><a href="https://www.newdualism.org/papers/J.Searle/Searle-JCS2002.pdf">&#8220;Why I Am Not a Property Dualist&#8221;</a><strong>, </strong><em><strong>Journal of Consciousness Studies</strong></em><strong> 9, no. 12, 2002, pp. 57&#8211;64.</strong></p><blockquote><p>&#8220;The property dualist and I are in agreement that consciousness is ontologically irreducible.&#8221;</p></blockquote><p><strong>Searle, &#8220;Why I Am Not a Property Dualist.&#8221;</strong></p><p><em>Context:</em> Searle rejects both substance and property dualism. His biological naturalism says consciousness is caused by the brain while remaining ontologically irreducible to third-person descriptions.</p><h2><strong>Michael Shermer</strong></h2><blockquote><p>&#8220;I have to admit, it rocked me back on my heels and shook my skepticism to its core as well.&#8221;</p></blockquote><p><strong>Michael Shermer, </strong><a href="https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/anomalous-events-that-can-shake-one-s-skepticism-to-the-core/">&#8220;Anomalous Events That Can Shake One&#8217;s Skepticism to the Core&#8221;</a><strong>, </strong><em><strong>Scientific American</strong></em><strong> 311, no. 4, October 2014, p. 97.</strong></p><p><em>Context:</em> A broken radio belonging to Shermer&#8217;s wife&#8217;s deceased grandfather unexpectedly played during their wedding, then stopped the next day. Shermer explicitly said the episode was not scientific evidence for survival or communication with the dead. It moved him and led him to recommend open-minded agnosticism about unresolved anomalies, without changing his evidential standard or becoming evidence for survival.</p><h2><strong>Alan Turing</strong></h2><blockquote><p>&#8220;When the body dies the &#8216;mechanism&#8217; of the body, holding the spirit is gone and the spirit finds a new body sooner or later perhaps immediately.&#8221;</p></blockquote><p><strong>Alan Turing, </strong><a href="https://oldshirburnian.org.uk/alan-turing-and-the-nature-of-spirit/">&#8220;Nature of Spirit&#8221;</a><strong>, undated manuscript, c. April 1932; King&#8217;s College Cambridge Modern Archive, AMT/C/29.</strong></p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!XuQE!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F919b460d-0602-4cb4-9d75-d9fa98c77ebb_1400x787.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!XuQE!, /__u/curtjaimungal.substack.com/w_424, /__u/curtjaimungal.substack.com/c_limit, /__u/curtjaimungal.substack.com/f_webp, /__u/curtjaimungal.substack.com/q_auto:good, /__u/curtjaimungal.substack.com/fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F919b460d-0602-4cb4-9d75-d9fa98c77ebb_1400x787.jpeg 424w, /__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!XuQE!, /__u/curtjaimungal.substack.com/w_848, 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/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!XuQE!, /__u/curtjaimungal.substack.com/w_1456, /__u/curtjaimungal.substack.com/c_limit, /__u/curtjaimungal.substack.com/f_auto, /__u/curtjaimungal.substack.com/q_auto:good, /__u/curtjaimungal.substack.com/fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F919b460d-0602-4cb4-9d75-d9fa98c77ebb_1400x787.jpeg 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Turing&#8217;s handwritten &#8220;Nature of Spirit&#8221; manuscript, where he wrote that after bodily death the spirit may find &#8220;a new body.&#8221; King&#8217;s College Cambridge, AMT/C/29.</figcaption></figure></div><blockquote><p>&#8220;Unfortunately the statistical evidence, at least for telepathy, is overwhelming.&#8221;</p></blockquote><p><strong>Alan Turing, </strong><a href="https://academic.oup.com/mind/article/LIX/236/433/986238">&#8220;Computing Machinery and Intelligence&#8221;</a><strong>, </strong><em><strong>Mind</strong></em><strong> 59, no. 236, 1950, pp. 453&#8211;454.</strong></p><blockquote><p>Accepting telepathy would mean that the idea of bodies moving only according to familiar physical laws &#8220;would be one of the first to go.&#8221;</p></blockquote><p><strong>Turing, &#8220;Computing Machinery and Intelligence,&#8221; pp. 453&#8211;454.</strong></p><p><em>Context:</em> Turing wrote &#8220;Nature of Spirit&#8221; at nineteen while grieving Christopher Morcom; it can&#8217;t be presented as his settled mature position. His later telepathy passage was serious enough to affect the design of his imitation game, but the experimental evidence that impressed him was subsequently discredited.</p><h2><strong>John von Neumann</strong></h2><blockquote><p>&#8220;So long as there is the possibility of eternal damnation for nonbelievers it is more logical to be a believer at the end.&#8221;</p></blockquote><p><strong>Von Neumann&#8217;s deathbed reasoning as reconstructed by his biographer Norman Macrae, </strong><em><a href="https://archive.org/details/johnvonneumann0000macr">John von Neumann</a></em><strong>, Pantheon, 1992, p. 379.</strong></p><blockquote><p>&#8220;He was of course completely agnostic all his life, and then he suddenly turned Catholic. It doesn&#8217;t agree with anything whatsoever in his attitude, outlook and thinking when he was healthy.&#8221;</p></blockquote><p><strong>Oskar Morgenstern, quoted in Steve J. Heims, </strong><em><strong>John von Neumann and Norbert Wiener</strong></em><strong>, MIT Press, 1980.</strong></p><p><em>Context:</em> Baptized Catholic in 1930 for his marriage and agnostic in practice ever after, von Neumann asked for a priest, Father Anselm Strittmatter, as he was dying of cancer in 1957, and framed his return as a wager. No line here is in his own hand: the wager is his biographer&#8217;s reconstruction, and the report that the sacraments brought him no peace, that he stayed terrified of death to the end, comes from the priest who attended him as recorded by a later biographer, corroborated by Paul Halmos and Eugene Wigner. Morgenstern&#8217;s counter-testimony is kept beside it because the century&#8217;s most formidable logician reasoned his way to belief and, by every account, found no comfort there.</p><h2><strong>Alfred Russel Wallace</strong></h2><blockquote><p>&#8220;It is &#8216;spirit alone that feels, and perceives, and thinks&#8217;; though, so long as the spirit is in the body, it does so by means of the brain and nervous system.&#8221;</p></blockquote><p><strong>Alfred Russel Wallace, </strong><a href="https://people.wku.edu/charles.smith/wallace/S527A.htm">letter to the editor</a><strong>, </strong><em><strong>Light</strong></em><strong>, 20 June 1896, p. 298.</strong></p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!8RMK!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F743d818d-7d92-4bd2-93c1-78cca5c41649_1139x639.jpeg" 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/__u/curtjaimungal.substack.com/c_limit, /__u/curtjaimungal.substack.com/f_webp, /__u/curtjaimungal.substack.com/q_auto:good, /__u/curtjaimungal.substack.com/fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F743d818d-7d92-4bd2-93c1-78cca5c41649_1139x639.jpeg 1272w, /__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!8RMK!, /__u/curtjaimungal.substack.com/w_1456, /__u/curtjaimungal.substack.com/c_limit, /__u/curtjaimungal.substack.com/f_webp, /__u/curtjaimungal.substack.com/q_auto:good, /__u/curtjaimungal.substack.com/fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F743d818d-7d92-4bd2-93c1-78cca5c41649_1139x639.jpeg 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!8RMK!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F743d818d-7d92-4bd2-93c1-78cca5c41649_1139x639.jpeg" width="1139" height="639" 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/__u/curtjaimungal.substack.com/fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F743d818d-7d92-4bd2-93c1-78cca5c41649_1139x639.jpeg 424w, /__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!8RMK!, /__u/curtjaimungal.substack.com/w_848, /__u/curtjaimungal.substack.com/c_limit, /__u/curtjaimungal.substack.com/f_auto, /__u/curtjaimungal.substack.com/q_auto:good, /__u/curtjaimungal.substack.com/fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F743d818d-7d92-4bd2-93c1-78cca5c41649_1139x639.jpeg 848w, /__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!8RMK!, /__u/curtjaimungal.substack.com/w_1272, /__u/curtjaimungal.substack.com/c_limit, /__u/curtjaimungal.substack.com/f_auto, /__u/curtjaimungal.substack.com/q_auto:good, /__u/curtjaimungal.substack.com/fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F743d818d-7d92-4bd2-93c1-78cca5c41649_1139x639.jpeg 1272w, /__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!8RMK!, /__u/curtjaimungal.substack.com/w_1456, /__u/curtjaimungal.substack.com/c_limit, /__u/curtjaimungal.substack.com/f_auto, /__u/curtjaimungal.substack.com/q_auto:good, /__u/curtjaimungal.substack.com/fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F743d818d-7d92-4bd2-93c1-78cca5c41649_1139x639.jpeg 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Wallace&#8217;s statement that &#8220;spirit alone&#8221; feels, perceives, and thinks, as it appeared in Light on 20 June 1896. Original periodical, p. 298.</figcaption></figure></div><p><em>Context:</em> The co-discoverer of natural selection became an outspoken spiritualist and argued that natural selection couldn&#8217;t fully explain the human mind. Darwin disagreed with him.</p><h2><strong>Eugene Wigner</strong></h2><blockquote><p>&#8220;It was not possible to formulate the laws of quantum mechanics in a fully consistent way without reference to the consciousness.&#8221;</p></blockquote><p><strong>Eugene Wigner, </strong><a href="https://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/scientists/wigner/Wigner_Remarks.pdf">&#8220;Remarks on the Mind-Body Question&#8221;</a><strong> (1961), in </strong><em><strong>Symmetries and Reflections</strong></em><strong>, Indiana University Press, 1967, p. 172; reprinted in John Wheeler and Wojciech Zurek, eds., </strong><em><strong>Quantum Theory and Measurement</strong></em><strong>, Princeton University Press, 1983, p. 169.</strong></p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" 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class="image-caption">Wigner&#8217;s claim that quantum mechanics could not be formulated consistently without reference to consciousness. &#8220;Remarks on the Mind-Body Question,&#8221; p. 172.</figcaption></figure></div><p><em>Context:</em> This represents Wigner&#8217;s interpretation of measurement, not a theorem accepted by contemporary physics. He later moved away from treating consciousness as uniquely responsible for collapse, as Leslie Ballentine documented in <a href="https://doi.org/10.1007/s10701-019-00283-x">&#8220;A Meeting with Wigner&#8221;</a>.</p><h2><strong>Edward Witten</strong></h2><blockquote><p>&#8220;I think consciousness will remain a mystery.&#8221;</p></blockquote><p><strong>Edward Witten, </strong><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfwsvSjXkJU&amp;t=4229s">interview with Wim Kayzer</a><strong>, 1:10:29&#8211;1:12:20; transcribed by Ashutosh Jogalekar in </strong><em><a href="https://www.scientificamerican.com/blog/cross-check/world-s-smartest-physicist-thinks-science-can-t-crack-consciousness/">Scientific American</a></em><strong>, 18 August 2016.</strong></p><blockquote><p>&#8220;I have a much easier time imagining how we understand the Big Bang than I have imagining how we can understand consciousness.&#8221;</p></blockquote><p><strong>Witten, interview with Wim Kayzer, 1:10:29&#8211;1:12:20.</strong></p><p><em>Context:</em> Witten expected biology and physics to explain much more about brain function. His pessimism concerned why consciousness accompanies that functioning, not whether neuroscience can progress.</p><h2><strong>Ludwig Wittgenstein</strong></h2><blockquote><p>&#8220;I am not a religious man but I cannot help seeing every problem from a religious point of view.&#8221;</p></blockquote><p><strong>Maurice O&#8217;Connor Drury recalling Ludwig Wittgenstein, in Rush Rhees, ed., </strong><em><strong>Recollections of Wittgenstein</strong></em><strong>, Oxford University Press, 1984, p. 79.</strong></p><blockquote><p>&#8220;The Christian faith, as I see it, is a man&#8217;s refuge in this ultimate torment.&#8221;</p></blockquote><p><strong>Ludwig Wittgenstein, </strong><em><strong>Culture and Value</strong></em><strong>, ed. G. H. von Wright, trans. Peter Winch, Blackwell, 1980, p. 46, entry dated 1944.</strong></p><blockquote><p>&#8220;Religious faith and superstition are quite different. One of them results from fear and is a sort of false science. The other is a trusting.&#8221;</p></blockquote><p><strong>Wittgenstein, </strong><em><strong>Culture and Value</strong></em><strong>, p. 72, entry dated 1948.</strong></p><p><em>Context:</em> The first sentence is Drury&#8217;s recollection, with slightly different wording across editions. Wittgenstein&#8217;s notebooks contain belief, rejection, longing, and ambivalence. &#8220;Religious point of view&#8221; shouldn&#8217;t be converted into orthodox doctrine.</p><h2><strong>Sewall Wright</strong></h2><blockquote><p>&#8220;Reality clearly consists primarily of streams of consciousness.&#8221;</p></blockquote><p><strong>Sewall Wright, </strong><a href="https://www.religion-online.org/book-chapter/chapter-2-panpsychism-and-science-by-sewall-wright/">&#8220;Panpsychism and Science&#8221;</a><strong>, in </strong><em><strong>Mind in Nature</strong></em><strong>, 1977.</strong></p><blockquote><p>&#8220;Emergence of mind from no mind at all is sheer magic.&#8221;</p></blockquote><p><strong>Wright, &#8220;Panpsychism and Science,&#8221; 1977.</strong></p><p><em>Context:</em> Wright was one of the principal architects of modern population genetics. He regarded panpsychism as philosophy rather than day-to-day biological method, but he defended it for most of his adult life.</p><div><hr></div><p><strong>None of this shows that an unusual view is true because a brilliant person held it.</strong> Nor is this a census. I went into this because I was inspired by <a href="/__u/vardamanfish.substack.com/p/the-woo-woo-beliefs-of-famous-scientists">the article here</a> by <a href="/__u/substack.com/@vardamansfish">Arthur Haswell</a>...</p><p>Actually, the entries above point in incompatible directions. Some affirm God; others naturalize spirituality. Some defend mind beyond reduction. Some admit only an explanatory gap. Some accept paranormal claims. Of course, others reconsider and reject them.</p><p>I want to hear from you in the Substack comment section below. <strong>I read each and</strong> <em><strong>every</strong></em> <strong>response.</strong></p><p><em>&#8212;Curt Jaimungal</em></p><p><strong>PS:</strong> <a href="/__u/curtjaimungal.substack.com/subscribe">Consider becoming a paying member on this Substack</a>. This is how I earn a living, as I&#8217;m <em>directly</em> reader-supported. Moreover, you&#8217;ll get a slew of exclusive content such as early access to full podcasts. If you like the free content, you&#8217;ll love the <a href="/__u/curtjaimungal.substack.com/subscribe">members-only content</a>.</p><p><strong>PPS:</strong> I read <em>The Economist</em> and find their coverage of science, AI, and global affairs genuinely excellent. If you&#8217;d like to try it, <a href="https://economist.com/TOE">my link gets you a huge discount</a>. They don&#8217;t partner with just any podcast. In fact, I believe <em>TOE</em> is the only podcast they consistently partner with, thus you get a special 35% discount not offered <em>anywhere</em> else.</p>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Ginestra Bianconi: The Physicist Who (Unexpectedly) Derived Gravity From Entropy]]></title><description><![CDATA[I personally subscribe to The Economist.]]></description><link>https://curtjaimungal.substack.com/p/ginestra-bianconi-the-physicist-who-557</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://curtjaimungal.substack.com/p/ginestra-bianconi-the-physicist-who-557</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Curt Jaimungal]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2026 14:54:00 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.substack.com/feed/podcast/206862507/25db7655aa6b1e62b81dc5c8fc466b39.mp3" length="0" type="audio/mpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I personally subscribe to The Economist. TOE listeners get 35% off the annual subscription. No other podcast has this! https://economist.com/TOE Ginestra Bianconi thinks gravity can be derived from entropy &#8212; and that gravity itself is fundamentally anti-reductionistic, since it's about geometry rather than isolated particle interactions. In this episode, the network-topologist-turned-gravity-theorist explains her "Gravity from Entropy" action, which treats matter and geometry symmetrically through a geometric quantum relative entropy (not the horizon entropy of Verlinde or Jacobson). She details why it reduces to Einstein's equations at low energy while predicting a dynamical, always-positive dark energy term (the "G field"), how it may avoid black hole singularities and reproduce the area law without invoking holography, and why she believes understanding the brain may be harder than understanding quantum gravity. We close with her advice for young researchers. I hope you enjoy. TIMESTAMPS: - 00:00 - Information Content of Geometry - 07:38 - Geometric Quantum Relative Entropy - 15:58 - Geometrizing the Matter Field - 23:45 - Emergent Dark Energy - 30:12 - Statistical Mechanics vs Thermodynamics - 37:59 - Structure and Dynamics Interplay - 45:20 - Holography and Area Law - 51:23 - Interdisciplinary Research Vision LINKS MENTIONED: Ginestra's Webpage: https://webspace.maths.qmul.ac.uk/g.bianconi/ Ginestra's Papers: https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=ycQXwWgAAAAJ Gravity from Entropy [Paper]: https://arxiv.org/abs/2408.14391 Geons, Black Holes, and Quantum Foam [Book]: https://amazon.com/dp/0393319911?tag=toe08-20 The Thermodynamics of the Gravity from Entropy Theory [Paper]: https://arxiv.org/abs/2510.22545 Notes on Some Entanglement Properties of Quantum Field Theory [Paper]: https://arxiv.org/abs/1803.04993 Inflation from Entropy [Paper]: https://arxiv.org/abs/2509.23987 Thermodynamics of Spacetime: The Einstein Equation of State [Paper]: https://arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/9504004 More Is Different [Paper]: https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.177.4047.393 Information, Physics, Quantum [Paper]: https://philpapers.org/archive/WHEIPQ.pdf Network Geometry with Flavor [Paper]: https://arxiv.org/abs/1511.04539 Black Holes and Entropy [Paper]: https://physicsgg.me/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/black-holes-and-entropy_bekenstein.pdf Ginestra's Lecture on Higher-Order Networks: https://youtu.be/o4TWDTgqQKY Elan Barenholtz [TOE]: https://youtu.be/A36OumnSrWY Frederic Schuller [TOE]: https://youtu.be/Bnh-UNrxYZg Erik Verlinde [TOE]: https://youtu.be/ilVImMHcr_g Ted Jacobson [TOE]: https://youtu.be/3mhctWlXyV8 Karl Friston [TOE]: https://youtu.be/2v7LBABwZKA Subir Sarkar [TOE]: https://youtu.be/epkuoytFJWA Stephen Wolfram [TOE]: https://youtu.be/FkYer0xP37E Roman Yampolskiy [TOE]: https://youtu.be/TgFmA-Qwsek Eva Miranda [TOE]: https://youtu.be/6XyMepn-AZo Cumrun Vafa [TOE]: https://youtu.be/kUHOoMX4Bqw Neil Turok [TOE]: https://youtu.be/zNZCa1pVE20 David Kaiser [TOE]: https://youtu.be/_yebLXsIdwo Ivette Fuentes [TOE]: https://youtu.be/YWbjI-QsH2E Philip Mannheim [TOE]: https://youtu.be/rNXNHYvS7zU FOLLOW: - Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4gL14b92xAErofYQA7bU4e - Substack: https://curtjaimungal.substack.com/subscribe - Twitter: https://twitter.com/TOEwithCurt - Discord Invite: https://discord.com/invite/kBcnfNVwqs - Crypto: https://nowpayments.io/donation/TOE - PayPal: https://www.paypal.com/donate?hosted_button_id=XUBHNMFXUX5S4 Guests do not pay to appear. #science</p><p>Learn more about your ad choices. 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