<script data-pm-proxy="intercept"></script><?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" version="2.0" xmlns:itunes="http://www.itunes.com/dtds/podcast-1.0.dtd" xmlns:googleplay="http://www.google.com/schemas/play-podcasts/1.0"><channel><title><![CDATA[Deep Manifold]]></title><description><![CDATA[Through the lens of manifold covers, we open a mathematical window into neural networks. At its core lies something unexpectedly simple: inequality, integration, and differentiation. ]]></description><link>https://deepmanifold.substack.com</link><image><url>https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!aGpz!,w_256,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fcabeb3bc-a4a4-463a-a3f0-9a8c32dbf4c8_124x124.png</url><title>Deep Manifold</title><link>https://deepmanifold.substack.com</link></image><generator>Substack</generator><lastBuildDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2026 00:40:34 GMT</lastBuildDate><atom:link href="/__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/feed" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml"/><copyright><![CDATA[Max]]></copyright><language><![CDATA[en]]></language><webMaster><![CDATA[deepmanifold@substack.com]]></webMaster><itunes:owner><itunes:email><![CDATA[deepmanifold@substack.com]]></itunes:email><itunes:name><![CDATA[Deep Manifold]]></itunes:name></itunes:owner><itunes:author><![CDATA[Deep 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article is now listed under </span><em>&#8220;Myth Series&#8221;</em><span> in </span><em><a href="/__u/open.substack.com/pub/deepmanifold/p/deep-manifold-two-years-later"><span>Deep Manifold, Two Years Later: 2024&#8211;2026.</span></a></em></p>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[The Myth of Overparameterization]]></title><description><![CDATA[Learning Is an Inverse Problem]]></description><link>https://deepmanifold.substack.com/p/the-myth-of-overparameterization</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://deepmanifold.substack.com/p/the-myth-of-overparameterization</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Deep Manifold]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2026 16:31:25 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!6lvc!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5f97b5bf-5fac-45e0-838e-f077e3385a3e_2172x724.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chinese Edition: <a href="/__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/p/9e0">&#20851;&#20110;&#36807;&#24230;&#21442;&#25968;&#21270;&#30340;&#35823;&#21306;</a></p><p><span>Modern neural networks are commonly described as </span><strong><span>overparameterized</span></strong><span> because they contain far more trainable parameters than traditional statistical models, and often more parameters than training examples. Yet these models can fit their training data closely while still generalizing well. This apparent contradiction has motivated extensive research into benign overfitting, double descent, implicit bias, feature learning, and training dynamics. So far, however, there is still no convincing theory that explains overparameterization clearly and fundamentally.</span></p><p><span>The discussion, however, rests on an assumption that is rarely examined: calling a model </span><em><span>overparameterized</span></em><span> implies that we already know approximately how many degrees of freedom the learning problem requires. In most cases, we do not. A large parameter count tells us how much computational freedom has been made available to learning, but it does not tell us how much freedom the problem itself requires.</span></p><h4><span>Learning Is an Inverse Problem</span></h4><p><span>The reason is fundamental. </span><strong><span>Learning is an inverse problem.</span></strong><span> We begin with data and boundary conditions and attempt to recover relationships that are not known beforehand. The structure to be learned is therefore part of the unknown solution.</span></p><p><span>Its required degrees of freedom are unknown for the same reason. Before learning, we do not know the full complexity of the relationships, their interactions, their discontinuities, or the amount of freedom needed to represent them adequately.</span></p><p><span>Neural networks are therefore given large parameter budgets deliberately. Too little freedom may prevent the required structure from forming, while the minimum sufficient amount cannot generally be determined in advance. What is called overparameterization is, in this sense, largely a practical safety margin for solving an unknown inverse problem.</span></p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!6lvc!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5f97b5bf-5fac-45e0-838e-f077e3385a3e_2172x724.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!6lvc!, /__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/w_424, /__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/c_limit, /__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/f_webp, /__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/q_auto:good, /__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5f97b5bf-5fac-45e0-838e-f077e3385a3e_2172x724.png 424w, /__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!6lvc!, 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also on </span><strong><span>what we want to learn from the data</span></strong><span>. What we want to learn defines the learning space; the data alone does not. This distinction is discussed in</span><a href="/__u/open.substack.com/pub/deepmanifold/p/mathematical-considerations-for-learning"><span> </span></a><em><a href="/__u/open.substack.com/pub/deepmanifold/p/mathematical-considerations-for-learning"><span>Mathematical Considerations for Learning Space</span></a></em><span>.</span></p><p><span>ImageNet provides a simple example. The same collection of images could be used to learn a coarse distinction such as indoor versus outdoor, or to distinguish among roughly twenty thousand categories. The underlying images may be largely the same, but the two tasks define very different learning spaces and therefore may require very different degrees of freedom.</span></p><p><span>The relevant capacity cannot be inferred from dataset size alone. </span><strong><span>What we ask the model to learn determines the learning space, and the learning space determines how much freedom may be required.</span></strong><span> Because learning is an inverse problem, that requirement is generally unknown before learning begins.</span></p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!7dJj!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff5983adf-09c8-4bca-a314-5c1513646173_2172x724.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!7dJj!, 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The myth is that we already know they contain too many parameters. Before learning, we do not know how many degrees of freedom the learning problem requires, so a large parameter budget is a reasonable design choice.</span></p><p><span>The opportunity appears </span><strong><span>after training</span></strong><span>. Once learning is complete, the unknown structure has already formed, and the question changes from how much freedom is needed to learn to how much of that freedom is still needed to preserve what has been learned.</span></p><p><span>Most previous efforts have approached this through pruning, quantization, low-rank approximation, or other forms of compression, with mixed results. These methods usually operate on weights, matrices, layers, or statistical importance, but they do not explicitly ask whether the learned manifold and its homological structure are being preserved.</span></p><p><span>From the Deep Manifold perspective, this may be the more important question. If training forms a connected piecewise manifold, parameter reduction should not simply remove weights that appear small or redundant. It should preserve the relationships, connectivity, and homology of the learned manifold.</span></p><p><span>The real opportunity, therefore, may not be to avoid overparameterization during learning, but to </span><strong><span>learn with sufficient freedom first, then reduce parameters while preserving the structure that learning has formed</span></strong><span>.</span></p><p><span>This article is now listed under </span><em>&#8220;Myth Series&#8221;</em><span> in </span><em><a href="/__u/open.substack.com/pub/deepmanifold/p/deep-manifold-two-years-later"><span>Deep Manifold, Two Years Later: 2024&#8211;2026.</span></a></em></p>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[The Mathematical Outlook of Deep Manifold]]></title><description><![CDATA[From Differential Geometry and Fixed-Point Class Theory to the Unification of Forward and Inverse Problems]]></description><link>https://deepmanifold.substack.com/p/the-mathematical-outlook-of-deep</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://deepmanifold.substack.com/p/the-mathematical-outlook-of-deep</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Deep Manifold]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2026 23:03:36 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!hjve!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe140c841-10f7-4686-a971-1b52b403bf44_2172x724.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chinese Edition: <a href="/__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/p/111">&#28145;&#24230;&#27969;&#24418;&#30340;&#25968;&#23398;&#23637;&#26395;</a></p><p>Differential equations may be among the most important equations for describing the real world. Mathematically, differential equations can be studied through both algebra and geometry. Compared with algebra, geometry offers greater breadth, depth, and flexibility in describing space, change, and the relationship between local and global structure. Shiing-Shen Chern brought modern differential geometry to a new level, while Shing-Tung Yau, in proving the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calabi_conjecture">Calabi Conjecture</a>, developed the study of nonlinear differential equations on geometric spaces, what later became known as <strong>geometric analysis</strong>, pushing differential geometry further into the nonlinear world.</p><p>But neither Chern nor Yau focused on the practical question of how to <strong>solve</strong> differential equations. If a differential equation cannot be solved, it cannot solve a real-world problem; in that sense, the differential equation itself can become a form of <strong>&#8220;<a href="/__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/p/when-mathematical-beauty-becomes">useless beauty</a>.&#8221;</strong></p><h3>Mathematics Becomes Computable</h3><p>With the emergence of computers, numerical computation began to make it possible to actually solve differential equations. Methods such as the finite element method made large classes of linear and nonlinear problems computable. For a time, some even believed that discrete mathematics and numerical computation could eventually replace much of traditional mathematics. But it soon became clear that when confronted with higher-order nonlinearity, discontinuity, large deformation, and complex boundaries, more computational power alone was not enough. Problems often became <em>impossible to compute, computable but inaccurate, or accurate but prohibitively expensive</em>. This is why increasingly powerful supercomputers could not automatically solve increasingly complex mathematical problems: <em>the computing power was there, but the mathematics had not caught up</em><strong>.</strong></p><p><a href="https://baike.baidu.com/item/%E7%9F%B3%E6%A0%B9%E5%8D%8E/5573442">Gen-Hua Shi</a> later developed <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discontinuous_deformation_analysis">DDA</a> and the Numerical Manifold Method, reconnecting mathematics with actual problem solving and bringing higher-order nonlinearity, discontinuity, and complex geometry into a computable framework. The word <em>numerical</em> in &#8220;Numerical Manifold&#8221; may make it sound less purely mathematical than &#8220;differential geometry,&#8221; but it emphasizes something fundamental: <em>mathematics must not only provide structures and equations; it must also help us obtain solutions.</em></p><p>For numerical computation, good mathematics should ultimately help achieve three things:</p><ul><li><p><strong>Accurate</strong>: the solution must be reliable;</p></li><li><p><strong>Fast</strong>: computation and convergence must be efficient;</p></li><li><p><strong>Efficient</strong>: fewer computational resources should be required.</p></li></ul><p>AI is now encountering essentially the same problem. <strong>An AI answer is an AI solution</strong>, and a neural network itself is a form of <em>learnable numerical computation</em>. If it is numerical computation, there must be mathematics behind it. Therefore, understanding the mathematics of AI requires not only mathematicians, but also people who deeply understand numerical computation. What makes Gen-Hua particularly unusual is that he combines a strong mathematical foundation with decades of work in numerical computation and real engineering problems.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!hjve!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe140c841-10f7-4686-a971-1b52b403bf44_2172x724.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!hjve!, /__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/w_424, /__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/c_limit, /__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/f_webp, /__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/q_auto:good, /__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe140c841-10f7-4686-a971-1b52b403bf44_2172x724.png 424w, 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Peking University studying <em>fixed-point class theory</em>. Fixed-point theory is concerned not only with individual fixed points, but more fundamentally with the <strong>existence, uniqueness, and stability of solutions</strong>. All three questions are important for AI: existence and uniqueness are related to why AI may produce multiple possible answers, or even hallucinations, while stability is directly related to the stability of model training and inference.</p><p>Fixed-point theory studies points that remain invariant under the action of a vector field or mapping. An AI model also defines a field through its weights and learned transformations; we call this the <em>neural fixed-point field</em>. If we can understand the structure of this neural fixed-point field, we may be able to substantially improve inference efficiency. In Deep Manifold, inference is fundamentally an <strong>integration process</strong>, and one reason current inference remains inefficient is that the mathematics of inference itself has not yet been fully understood.</p><h3>The Mathematical Direction of Deep Manifold</h3><p>Shing-Tung Yau, through the Calabi conjecture, pushed differential geometry into the nonlinear regime. Professor Gen-Hua Shi, driven by problems in rock engineering, pushed geometry and numerical computation further into higher-order nonlinearity and discontinuity. Today, AI raises a new question: <em>if equations, mappings, and geometry themselves must be learned from data, how should mathematics study them?</em></p><p>Deep Manifold hopes to push further:</p><ul><li><p>from <strong>differential geometry</strong> to <em>learnable geometry</em>,</p></li><li><p>from <strong>fixed-point class theory</strong> to a <em>learnable fixed-point field</em>,</p></li><li><p>from <strong>numerical computation</strong> to <em>learnable numerical computation</em>,</p></li></ul><p>and, ultimately, to explore one of the mathematical dreams Gen-Hua has spoken of: <em><a href="/__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/p/deep-manifold-model-scaling">the unification of forward and inverse problems</a>.</em></p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" 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url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!nBn3!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8451abc9-249a-46b5-9571-2aae36396914_2172x724.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>English Edition: <a href="/__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/p/ai-d7d">&#24403;&#25968;&#23398;&#20043;&#32654;&#22312; AI &#20013;&#21464;&#24471;&#26377;&#29992;</a></p><h4><span>The Useless Beauty of Mathematics</span></h4><p><span>Mathematics has sometimes been called &#8220;useless beauty,&#8221; and there is some truth in that description. The real world is extraordinarily rich and complex, filled with both structure and change. In the late 1950s, </span><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jiang_Zehan"><span>Jiang </span>Zehan</a><span>, the teacher of Gen-Hua Shi, once said something memorable: &#8220;Through the window of differential equations, mathematicians see the light of the real world.&#8221; The statement points to a deep idea: if we want mathematics to describe a real world that is constantly changing, differential equations may be one of its most important languages.</span></p><p><span>Compared with algebra, geometry provides a richer structural language. </span></p><ul><li><p><span>By connecting geometric structures, we can move from the local to the global and gain breadth. </span></p></li><li><p><span>By stacking geometric structures, we can represent increasingly complex relationships and gain depth. </span></p></li><li><p><span>Curvature, deformation, and connectivity naturally allow geometry to describe a dynamic world. </span></p></li></ul><p><span>The modern differential geometry developed by </span><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shiing-Shen_Chern"><span>Shiing-Shen Chern</span></a><span> brought geometry, topology, and differential equations into much closer contact. </span><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shing-Tung_Yau"><span>Shing-Tung Yau</span></a><span> pushed the relationship between nonlinear differential equations and geometric structures much further. With Gen-Hua Shi, the problem continued toward higher-order nonlinearity, multilayer covers, and discontinuous structures.</span></p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!nBn3!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8451abc9-249a-46b5-9571-2aae36396914_2172x724.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!nBn3!, /__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/w_424, /__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/c_limit, /__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/f_webp, /__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/q_auto:good, /__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8451abc9-249a-46b5-9571-2aae36396914_2172x724.png 424w, /__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!nBn3!, 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8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Click the image to view the detail</figcaption></figure></div><p><span>But even the most beautiful mathematics remains incomplete in the real world if it provides only a description and no solution. Knowing which differential equations describe a system and actually being able to solve those equations are two very different things. Much mathematics has long been regarded as &#8220;useless beauty&#8221; not because it fails to describe reality, but because we have lacked the ability to solve the complex equations that arise from those descriptions.</span></p><h4>Numerical Computation as Mathematical Problem Solving</h4><p>The invention of the computer changed this situation. Early work at Berkeley and elsewhere advanced the finite element method, replacing the need for analytical solutions with numerical approximations of discretized physical problems. Later, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olgierd_Zienkiewicz">O. C. Zienkiewicz</a>, <a href="https://web.engg.hku.hk/home/people/ykcheung/ykcheung.htm">Y. K. Cheung</a>, and others helped develop its mathematical foundation, turning finite elements into a general framework for solving physical differential equations.</p><p><span>With the rise of supercomputers, expectations for numerical computation became extremely high. It seemed that if the mesh were fine enough and the computer fast enough, increasingly complex real-world problems could eventually be solved. 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Higher-order nonlinearity, discontinuity, large deformation, and complex boundaries often led to a simple outcome: either the computation would not run, or the answer would not be accurate. I entered this field in the late 1980s after meeting Gen-Hua Shi. His approach was not merely to refine the mesh, but to rethink how complex problems should be represented. The Numerical Manifold Method used multilayer covers and separated mathematical covers from physical covers, allowing local mathematics and physical discontinuities to be treated independently and then assembled computationally. This offered a different path toward problems that conventional numerical methods struggled to solve.</span></p><p><span>Shiing-Shen Chern recognized the significance of this multilayer-cover idea very early. What he saw was not merely another engineering computation method, but a possible path for bringing geometry, differential equations, and numerical computation together in a deeper way. Shi later often recalled his famous &#8220;kowtow conversation&#8221; with Chern. The deeper meaning of that exchange was simple: even if the</span><em><span> </span><a href="/__u/open.substack.com/pub/deepmanifold/p/single-token-geometry-05-numerical"><span>Numerical Manifold Method</span></a></em><span> eventually became a powerful numerical method, it should remain faithful to mathematics after it succeeded.</span></p><p><span>The history of &#8220;</span><em><a href="/__u/open.substack.com/pub/deepmanifold/p/mathematical-considerations-for-scaling"><span>Supercomputers Hitting the Wall</span></a><span>&#8221;</span></em><span> teaches us an important lesson. Numerical computation can certainly help us solve differential equations, but whether a solution is correct, accurate, stable, convergent, and efficient ultimately still depends on mathematics. In numerical computation, therefore, mathematics is not &#8220;useless beauty.&#8221; It is not only beautiful, but also profoundly useful.</span></p><h4><span>The Useful Beauty of Mathematics and AI</span></h4><p><span>AI pushes this story another major step forward. One important reason AI has become so powerful is that, without necessarily doing so consciously, it recombines several important ideas developed through decades of numerical computation: multilayer covers, separation between mathematical structure and physical realization, local computation, iterative processes, and the construction of global structure from local structures.</span></p><p><span>But AI introduces two genuinely important advances.</span></p><ul><li><p><span>forward and inverse problems begin to coexist within the same computational system.</span></p></li><li><p><span>neural networks can learn from any type of data and learn arbitrary relationships among data. Their propertyless and full-rank nature greatly expands their ability to describe the real world.</span></p></li></ul><p><span>A neural network is fundamentally </span><strong><span>learnable numerical computation</span></strong><span>.</span></p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!WtqO!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9cb333e4-6ddf-41b4-843d-0a68cb8b22a9_1881x836.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!WtqO!, /__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/w_424, /__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/c_limit, /__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/f_webp, /__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/q_auto:good, 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/__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/q_auto:good, /__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9cb333e4-6ddf-41b4-843d-0a68cb8b22a9_1881x836.png 424w, /__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!WtqO!, /__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/w_848, /__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/c_limit, /__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/f_auto, /__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/q_auto:good, /__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9cb333e4-6ddf-41b4-843d-0a68cb8b22a9_1881x836.png 848w, /__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!WtqO!, /__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/w_1272, /__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/c_limit, /__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/f_auto, /__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/q_auto:good, /__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9cb333e4-6ddf-41b4-843d-0a68cb8b22a9_1881x836.png 1272w, /__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!WtqO!, /__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/w_1456, /__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/c_limit, /__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/f_auto, /__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/q_auto:good, /__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9cb333e4-6ddf-41b4-843d-0a68cb8b22a9_1881x836.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Click the image to view the detail</figcaption></figure></div><p><span>Through </span><em><a href="/__u/open.substack.com/pub/deepmanifold/p/what-is-deep-manifold"><span>Deep Manifold</span></a></em><span>, we can see mathematics taking on a particularly interesting form in AI. Unlike traditional physical models, it does not rigidly prescribe the meaning of every variable and structure in advance. But neither is it structureless free computation. It occupies a subtle middle ground: mathematics is used neither too much nor too little. Enough structure is preserved to make learning coherent, while enough freedom remains for the system to learn.</span></p><p><span>This may be the true &#8220;useful beauty&#8221; of mathematics in the age of AI.</span></p><h3><span>Architecture Is the Equation</span></h3><p><span>We learn this lesson as early as elementary-school word problems. For the same problem, how well we formulate the equation directly affects how easily it can be solved. A good equation may require only one or two steps, while a poorly formulated equation may require many detours. Every additional step creates another opportunity for error.</span></p><p><span>In AI, neural network architecture is doing essentially the same thing: </span><em><span>it determines how the learning equation is formulated. </span></em><span>One important reason the Transformer is so powerful is that it formulates this equation relatively well. It creates a broad and learnable computational structure in which complex relationships in data can gradually be established through training.</span></p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Dw7h!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff3ffcc68-a1d8-4a0a-96cf-e5f8c1236d7d_2172x724.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Dw7h!, /__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/w_424, /__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/c_limit, /__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/f_webp, /__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/q_auto:good, /__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff3ffcc68-a1d8-4a0a-96cf-e5f8c1236d7d_2172x724.png 424w, /__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Dw7h!, /__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/w_848, /__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/c_limit, /__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/f_webp, /__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/q_auto:good, /__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff3ffcc68-a1d8-4a0a-96cf-e5f8c1236d7d_2172x724.png 848w, /__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Dw7h!, /__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/w_1272, /__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/c_limit, /__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/f_webp, /__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/q_auto:good, /__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff3ffcc68-a1d8-4a0a-96cf-e5f8c1236d7d_2172x724.png 1272w, /__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Dw7h!, /__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/w_1456, /__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/c_limit, /__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/f_webp, /__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/q_auto:good, 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/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Dw7h!, /__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/w_1456, /__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/c_limit, /__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/f_auto, /__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/q_auto:good, /__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff3ffcc68-a1d8-4a0a-96cf-e5f8c1236d7d_2172x724.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Click the image to view the detail</figcaption></figure></div><p><span>The Transformer formulates the equation relatively well, but that does not mean every part of it is already the most natural, simplest, or mathematically correct formulation. The history of numerical computation teaches us that the fact that a method converges does not automatically mean that the mathematics behind it is the best possible formulation. The history of finite elements and supercomputing gives us another warning: when computation hits a wall, the problem is not necessarily that the computer is still not fast enough. Sometimes the real problem is that </span><strong><span>the equation was not formulated well</span></strong><span>.</span></p><p>Over the past two years, we have made good progress in systematically placing AI, neural networks and their training, within a mathematical and numerical computation framework. The next step is to put this framework into practice and validate it.</p><ul><li><p><em><a href="/__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/p/the-mathematical-outlook-of-deep">The Mathematical Outlook of Deep Manifold</a></em></p></li></ul><p><span>This article is now listed under </span><em>Architecture</em><span> in </span><em><a href="/__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/p/deep-manifold-two-years-later"><span>Deep Manifold, Two Years Later: 2024&#8211;2026.</span></a></em></p>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[LLM 情绪的讨论，错过了真正的问题]]></title><description><![CDATA[&#26080;&#23646;&#24615;&#31070;&#32463;&#32593;&#32476;&#12289;&#21487;&#23398;&#20064;&#24615;&#19982;&#24773;&#32490;&#24187;&#35937;]]></description><link>https://deepmanifold.substack.com/p/llm</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://deepmanifold.substack.com/p/llm</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Deep Manifold]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2026 07:46:38 GMT</pubDate><enclosure 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href="/__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/p/3ea"><span>&#31070;&#32463;&#23398;&#20064;&#30340;&#21916;&#21095;</span></a></em></p></li></ul><p>This article is now listed under <em><span>Mechanistic Interpretability &amp; Alignment </span></em> in <em><a href="/__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/p/deep-manifold-two-years-later">Deep Manifold, Two Years Later: 2024&#8211;2026.</a></em></p>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[关于混合专家模型的数学思考]]></title><description><![CDATA[&#22312;&#20998;&#24067;&#24335;&#19987;&#23478;&#20043;&#38388;&#20445;&#25345;&#20960;&#20309;&#36830;&#32493;&#24615;]]></description><link>https://deepmanifold.substack.com/p/80a</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://deepmanifold.substack.com/p/80a</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Deep Manifold]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2026 05:39:45 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ROLS!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd233022d-efcd-451f-8358-bb6389c0defd_2172x724.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>English Edition: <a href="/__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/p/mathematical-considerations-for-moe">Mathematical Considerations for MoE</a></p><p><em><a href="/__u/open.substack.com/pub/deepmanifold/p/23e">&#28145;&#24230;&#27969;&#24418;</a></em> 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MoE]]></title><description><![CDATA[Preserving Geometric Continuity Across Distributed Experts]]></description><link>https://deepmanifold.substack.com/p/mathematical-considerations-for-moe</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://deepmanifold.substack.com/p/mathematical-considerations-for-moe</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Deep Manifold]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2026 05:07:16 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ROLS!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd233022d-efcd-451f-8358-bb6389c0defd_2172x724.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chinese Edition: <a href="/__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/p/80a">&#20851;&#20110;&#28151;&#21512;&#19987;&#23478;&#27169;&#22411;&#30340;&#25968;&#23398;&#24605;&#32771;</a></p><p><em><a href="/__u/open.substack.com/pub/deepmanifold/p/what-is-deep-manifold"><span>Deep Manifold</span></a></em><span> argues that the expressive power of neural networks is rooted in two fundamental properties: </span><em><span>propertyless activations and full-rank relational transformations.</span></em><span> What a neural network learns is not the data itself, but the </span><em><span>relationships among data</span></em><span>, a view that is naturally consistent with category theory, where relational structure is more fundamental than the intrinsic identity of individual objects. However, as discussed in </span><em><a href="https://arxiv.org/abs/2512.06563"><span>Deep Manifold Part 2: Neural Network Mathematics</span></a></em><span>, </span><em><span>Section 4.6</span></em><span>, </span><em><span>Data Complexity,</span></em><span>  and </span><em><a href="/__u/open.substack.com/pub/deepmanifold/p/single-token-geometry-03-data-complexity"><span>Single Token Geometry 03: Data Complexity</span></a></em><span>, </span>it is <span>neither reasonable nor, in general, mathematically appropriate to expect a single globally shared full-rank transformation to represent the full complexity of heterogeneous data. 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8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Click the image to view the detail</figcaption></figure></div><p><span>One way to examine, and potentially improve, MoE therefore begins with </span><em><span>geometry</span></em><span>, and more specifically with the </span><em><span>manifold structure created by learning</span></em><span>. The central question is no longer only how many experts to use, how to route tokens, or how to balance expert loads, but whether the resulting collection of locally learned manifolds remains </span><em><span>geometrically continuous, topologically compatible, and functionally recombinable</span></em><span> as a coherent neural network.</span></p><h4><span>Manifold Homology and MoE Instability</span></h4><p>Current MoE architectures are therefore very likely to produce a <em>jagged neural fixed-point field</em> because sparse routing partitions computation, experts specialize under uneven participation, local geometries evolve semi-independently, and their outputs must later be recombined across discontinuous routing boundaries. These effects can create sharp transitions between locally competent regions. Such jaggedness is especially problematic for <em>agentic workloads,</em> which require long, connected trajectories across many functional regions, making pathway continuity harder to maintain and increasing instability and accumulated error over extended execution.</p><p><span>This introduces a structural source of instability. Routing boundaries, unequal expert participation, and independently evolving expert geometries can gradually weaken compatibility between local manifolds. From the Deep Manifold perspective, this failure can be understood as</span><a href="/__u/open.substack.com/pub/deepmanifold/p/single-token-geometry-deepseek-v4"><span> manifold tearing</span></a><span>: locally valid computational pathways may remain intact inside individual experts while the relational continuity required to connect those pathways across the larger model begins to break. </span></p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!DMKi!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fec6bfb80-f6c5-42fd-83f7-c91d99af8df9_2172x724.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!DMKi!, /__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/w_424, /__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/c_limit, /__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/f_webp, 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can be constrained at the local level before it propagates into a broader architectural failure. As discussed in</span><em><a href="/__u/open.substack.com/pub/deepmanifold/p/mathematical-considerations-for-deepseek"><span> Mathematical Considerations for DeepSeek V4</span></a></em><span>, SwiGLU Clamping limits extreme activations and the associated local curvature spikes that can initiate a tear; Anticipatory Routing improves consistency between expert assignment and the manifold state that produced the token representation; and Manifold-Constrained Hyper-Connections restrict the propagation of remaining discontinuities through the residual stream</span></p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!dPAY!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff4a38c52-28ae-43a5-8dd7-e6fc70117e1c_2172x724.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" 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At its core, MoE is a form of distributed computation: computation is split, routed, applied locally, and then brought back into a common computational pathway. In the language of MapReduce, and more generally the split&#8211;apply&#8211;combine pattern, the difficult step is increasingly the Reduce operation. The challenge is not merely to distribute computation efficiently, but to recombine independently processed local structures without destroying relational information, introducing bottlenecks, destabilizing training, or requiring progressively more corrective machinery.</span><em><a href="/__u/open.substack.com/pub/deepmanifold/p/mathematical-considerations-for-kimi"><span> K3 introduces several coordinated mechanisms around this problem</span></a></em><span>. From the Deep Manifold perspective, its Reduce-like mechanisms can be interpreted as attempts to restore distributed computation while preserving sufficient regional manifold homology for the larger model to remain coherent.</span></p><p>Together with extremely sparse routing, these mechanisms can be viewed as a coordinated geometric defense: clamping controls the precondition, routing consistency controls the tearing event, and residual constraints control its propagation. They do not establish global manifold homology by themselves, but they interrupt the cascade through which local geometric mismatch can spread across experts and layers.</p><h4><span>Preserving Geometric Elasticity in Architecture and Training</span></h4><p><span>We proposed the idea of a </span><strong><span>Federated Manifold</span></strong><span> to address data complexity in learning; see</span><a href="https://arxiv.org/abs/2512.06563"><span> </span></a><em><a href="https://arxiv.org/abs/2512.06563"><span>Deep Manifold Part 2: Neural Network Mathematics</span></a></em><span>, Section 7.3, </span><em><span>Mosaic of Small Elastic Models</span></em><span>, and Section 7.6, </span><em><span>Federated Learning</span></em><span>. In MoE terms, this is conceptually closer to </span><em><span>Sparse MoE or Ultra-Sparse MoE</span></em><span>. The key objective is to preserve </span><strong><span>model elasticity</span></strong><span>. Geometrically, elasticity allows each local manifold to bend, stretch, and reorganize as new relationships are learned without forcing abrupt curvature changes, tearing local neighborhoods, or destroying overlap with neighboring manifolds. Sufficient elasticity therefore helps preserve smooth chart transitions, geometric continuity, and homological compatibility while still allowing experts to specialize.</span></p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!c-rf!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd1b8f360-f42d-41da-b826-9704e95fef61_2172x724.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!c-rf!, /__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/w_424, /__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/c_limit, /__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/f_webp, /__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/q_auto:good, /__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd1b8f360-f42d-41da-b826-9704e95fef61_2172x724.png 424w, 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Because MoE is inherently more vulnerable to routing discontinuity, expert imbalance, and independently evolving local geometries, its training process should also be </span><em><span>staged and progressive, see </span><a href="/__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/p/mathematical-considerations-for-reinforcement"><span>Mathematical Considerations for Reinforcement Learning</span></a></em><span>. Boundary conditions should preferably be </span><em><a href="/__u/open.substack.com/pub/deepmanifold/p/mathematical-considerations-for-learning"><span>weak, symmetric, progressive, and geometrically compatible</span></a></em><span>, so that specialization emerges without forcing abrupt local deformation too early. Training progression should gradually increase task difficulty, routing specialization, and expert differentiation while continuously preserving connectivity across the evolving manifold. 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now listed under </span><em>Core</em><span> in </span><em><a href="/__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/p/deep-manifold-two-years-later"><span>Deep Manifold, Two Years Later: 2024&#8211;202</span></a></em></p><div data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;file:///C:/Users/deep9/OneDrive/Desktop/subX/AI%20&#20013;&#38169;&#36807;&#30340;&#22522;&#30784;&#25968;&#23398;/Deep%20Manifold%20Overall%20View%2001%20CN.png&quot;}" data-component-name="AssetErrorToDOM"><picture><img src="/__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/img/missing-image.png" height="455" width="728"></picture></div>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[The Basic Mathematics Overlooked in AI]]></title><description><![CDATA[Every Operation on Numbers Involves Mathematics]]></description><link>https://deepmanifold.substack.com/p/the-basic-mathematics-overlooked</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://deepmanifold.substack.com/p/the-basic-mathematics-overlooked</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Deep Manifold]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2026 10:38:45 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Btpj!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F958c9570-3127-4ce1-a81d-61f33c142731_2048x682.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chinese Edition: <a href="/__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/p/ai">AI &#20013;&#34987;&#24573;&#35270;&#30340;&#22522;&#30784;&#25968;&#23398;</a></p><p><span>Besides our deep knowledge of piecewise manifolds, fixed-point theory, inverse problems, and numerical computation, and our broad experience applying them to real-world problems, one simple reason has kept us working on neural network mathematics: </span><em><span>Every Operation on Numbers Involves Mathematics.</span></em></p><p><span>During training and inference, billions of numerical operations take place. Mathematics is there, waiting to be discovered, and we did with </span><em><a href="/__u/open.substack.com/pub/deepmanifold/p/what-is-deep-manifold"><span>Deep Manifold</span></a></em><span>. </span></p><h4><strong><span>Two Mathematical Basics Overlooked in AI</span></strong></h4><p><strong>Inverse Problems: </strong><span>At the very beginning of our 2024 paper, </span><em><a href="https://arxiv.org/abs/2409.17592"><span>Deep Manifold Part 1: Anatomy of Neural Network Manifold</span></a></em><span>, </span><em><span>Section 3.1, &#8220;Inverse and Forward Enablement,&#8221;</span></em><span> we point out that a neural network combines forward and inverse processes. Wikipedia provides a detailed discussion of </span><em><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverse_problem"><span>inverse problems</span></a></em><span>. Its section on mathematical and computational aspects explains that &#8220;inverse problems are typically ill-posed,&#8221; unlike the </span><em><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Well-posed_problem"><span>well-posed problems</span></a></em><span> commonly encountered in mathematics. In 1902, the French mathematician Jacques Hadamard defined the conditions of a well-posed problem: a solution must exist, be unique, and depend continuously on the data.</span></p><p><span>Recognizing that learning is an inverse problem brings fundamental benefits to several areas of AI:</span></p><ol><li><p><em><span>AI Safety and Alignment:</span></em><span> It helps explain why AI is </span><em><a href="/__u/open.substack.com/pub/deepmanifold/p/iii-posed-and-jagged-intelligence"><span>inherently jagged</span></a></em><span> and why nearby inputs can produce very different behaviors. Ill-posedness is not merely an implementation defect; </span><em><a href="/__u/open.substack.com/pub/deepmanifold/p/mathematical-considerations-for-ai"><span>it is rooted in the inverse nature of learning</span></a></em><span>.</span></p></li><li><p><em><span>Model Compression: </span></em><span>Quantization and pruning become easier to understand once we recognize that the effective degrees of freedom of a trained model are unknown. Many different parameter configurations may represent essentially the same learned function, leaving substantial room for compression.</span></p></li><li><p><em><span>Optimization:</span></em><span> When learning is an inverse problem, learning is inverse reconstruction, not optimization toward a known solution. This helps explain why, after more than 200,000 optimization papers, neural-network training still lacks a true optimization foundation, as discussed in</span><a href="/__u/open.substack.com/pub/deepmanifold/p/myth-of-neural-network-optimization"><span> </span></a><em><a href="/__u/open.substack.com/pub/deepmanifold/p/myth-of-neural-network-optimization"><span>The Myth of Neural Network Optimization</span></a></em><span>.</span></p></li></ol><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Btpj!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F958c9570-3127-4ce1-a81d-61f33c142731_2048x682.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Btpj!, /__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/w_424, /__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/c_limit, 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8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Click the image to view the detail</figcaption></figure></div><p><strong><span>Attention: </span></strong><span>A dot product measures similarity only between the vectors on which it is actually computed. In Transformer attention, Q and K are produced from the original input X through different linear transformations. But </span><em><span>a linear transformation does not necessarily preserve inner products or distance</span></em><strong><span>s</span></strong><span>, so the similarity measured between Q and K is not necessarily the similarity that existed in X. Attention therefore computes similarity after transforming the input into different representations, rather than necessarily preserving the original geometric similarity of X.</span></p><p><span>A dot product measures similarity, but that similarity only holds for the vectors it is actually computed on. When linear transformations are applied to the original vectors X to produce Q and K, the dot product Q &#183; K is a similarity score for Q and K, not for X. Linear transformations generally do not preserve dot products, so Q &#183; K can be large even when X&#8217;s own dot product was small, or small even when X&#8217;s was large. The similarity score computed after transformation does not necessarily represent the similarity score of the input X.</span></p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!lOTO!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F220997f7-1de9-42a2-8415-10b4e42195e9_2172x724.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!lOTO!, /__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/w_424, /__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/c_limit, /__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/f_webp, /__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/q_auto:good, /__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F220997f7-1de9-42a2-8415-10b4e42195e9_2172x724.png 424w, /__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!lOTO!, 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But if the forward pass contains a mathematical mistake, why introduce that mistake in the first place? A second question is why the Transformer still works so well despite it. The reason is simple: a neural network is</span><em><span> learnable numerical computation</span></em><span>. See the discussion below under &#8220;Numerical Computation.&#8221;</span></p><h4><strong><span>Deep Manifold</span></strong></h4><p><span>Deep Manifold is not a new branch of mathematics. It is a framework that reveals the mathematics of neural networks. Once the underlying mathematics is understood, many questions that previously seemed unclear can be explained more directly. The following two examples illustrate this.</span></p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!WuhH!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fdcd74bf7-d151-4282-9a4a-edcdaf111b63_1672x941.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!WuhH!, /__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/w_424, /__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/c_limit, /__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/f_webp, /__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/q_auto:good, /__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fdcd74bf7-d151-4282-9a4a-edcdaf111b63_1672x941.png 424w, /__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!WuhH!, /__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/w_848, /__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/c_limit, 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formulations while still converging. Even a wrong PDE can produce a converged FEM solution, convergence does not make the mathematics correct. This also helps explain why many different architectures and attention mechanisms can still work. See</span><a href="/__u/open.substack.com/pub/deepmanifold/p/neural-fixed-points-lagrangian-and"><span> </span></a><em><a href="/__u/open.substack.com/pub/deepmanifold/p/neural-fixed-points-lagrangian-and"><span>Mathematical Considerations for Neural Network Architecture</span></a></em><span> and </span><em><a href="https://arxiv.org/abs/2512.06563"><span>Deep Manifold Part 2: Neural Network Mathematics</span></a><span> Section 3 Neural Network: Learnable Numerical Computation</span></em></p></li><li><p><strong><span>Hidden Space and Dimensionality:</span></strong><span> Hidden space and high dimensionality are widely discussed, but where they actually reside is often left unclear. Deep Manifold proposes that, for a given input, hidden space is associated with a fixed-point field, while dimensionality resides in the relationships among activation covers. See</span><a href="/__u/open.substack.com/pub/deepmanifold/p/myths-of-hidden-space-and-compression"><span> </span></a><em><a href="/__u/open.substack.com/pub/deepmanifold/p/myths-of-hidden-space-and-compression"><span>The Myth of Hidden Space and Compression</span></a></em><span> and</span><a href="/__u/open.substack.com/pub/deepmanifold/p/the-myth-of-where-dimensionality"><span> </span></a><em><a href="/__u/open.substack.com/pub/deepmanifold/p/the-myth-of-where-dimensionality"><span>The Myth of Where Dimensionality Resides</span></a></em><span>.</span></p></li></ol><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!w-qp!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4640cce4-0022-4bad-b780-380fa5f89601_2172x724.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" 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class="image-caption">Click the image to view the detail</figcaption></figure></div><div><hr></div><ul><li><p><em><a href="/__u/open.substack.com/pub/deepmanifold/p/what-is-deep-manifold"><span>What is Deep Manifold ?</span></a></em></p></li><li><p><em><a href="/__u/open.substack.com/pub/deepmanifold/p/neural-network-fixed-point-field"><span>Neural Fixed-Point Field</span></a><span> </span></em></p></li><li><p><em><a href="/__u/open.substack.com/pub/deepmanifold/p/learning-is-an-inverse-problem"><span>Learning Is an Inverse Problem</span></a><span> </span></em></p></li><li><p><em><a href="/__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/p/deep-manifold-model-scaling"><span>Deep Manifold Model Scaling</span></a><span> </span></em></p></li><li><p><em><a href="/__u/open.substack.com/pub/deepmanifold/p/this-is-not-how-mathematicians-are"><span>Mathematicians Are Not Trained This Way</span></a></em></p></li><li><p><em><a href="/__u/open.substack.com/pub/deepmanifold/p/deep-manifold-was-not-planned">Deep Manifold Was Not Planned</a></em></p></li></ul><p><span>This article is now listed under </span><em>Core</em><span> in </span><em><a href="/__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/p/deep-manifold-two-years-later"><span>Deep Manifold, Two Years Later: 2024&#8211;202</span></a></em></p>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[关于Muon的误区]]></title><description><![CDATA[&#20960;&#20309;&#20808;&#20110;&#25910;&#25947;]]></description><link>https://deepmanifold.substack.com/p/muon</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://deepmanifold.substack.com/p/muon</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Deep Manifold]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2026 02:48:17 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!8VQz!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2cec239f-2fc4-46ca-9661-18a087f9e31f_2172x724.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>English Edition: <a 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y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>&#20851;&#20110;Muon&#30340;&#35823;&#21306;&#65292;&#24182;&#19981;&#26159; Muon &#27809;&#26377;&#25928;&#26524;&#65292;&#32780;&#26159;&#25226;&#26356;&#24555;&#30340;&#25910;&#25947;&#25110;&#26356;&#25972;&#27905;&#30340;&#23616;&#37096;&#20960;&#20309;&#65292;&#31561;&#21516;&#20110;&#24050;&#32463;&#25214;&#21040;&#20102;&#31070;&#32463;&#32593;&#32476;&#23398;&#20064;&#30340;&#27491;&#30830;&#20960;&#20309;<strong>&#12290;</strong> &#22312;&#25105;&#20204;&#33021;&#22815;&#26356;&#30452;&#25509;&#22320;&#35266;&#23519;&#21644;&#21051;&#30011;&#31070;&#32463;&#19981;&#21160;&#28857;&#22330;&#30340;&#24418;&#25104;&#20043;&#21069;&#65292;Muon 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href="/__u/open.substack.com/pub/deepmanifold/p/424"><span>&#32500;&#24230;&#25152;&#22312;&#20043;&#22788;&#30340;&#35823;&#21306;</span></a></em></p></li></ul><p><span>This article is now listed under </span><em>&#8220;Myth Series&#8221;</em><span> in </span><em><a href="/__u/open.substack.com/pub/deepmanifold/p/deep-manifold-two-years-later"><span>Deep Manifold, Two Years Later: 2024&#8211;2026.</span></a></em></p>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[The Myth of Muon]]></title><description><![CDATA[Geometry Before Convergence]]></description><link>https://deepmanifold.substack.com/p/the-myth-of-muon</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://deepmanifold.substack.com/p/the-myth-of-muon</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Deep Manifold]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2026 02:02:59 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!mYaY!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbd44fbf3-2190-4cf2-bf98-61e2fb522da7_2172x724.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chinese Edition: <a href="/__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/p/muon">&#20851;&#20110;Muon&#30340;&#35823;&#21306;</a></p><p>The conventional AI view treats training as an optimization problem: define an objective, choose an optimizer, and search for the best solution. </p><blockquote><p><em><a href="/__u/open.substack.com/pub/deepmanifold/p/learning-is-an-inverse-problem">Learning is an inverse problem</a>. Training has no optimization objective in the classical sense; the loss acts only as a boundary functional that provides residual information for numerical iteration. Geometry determines the admissible solution space, while training numerically traverses and continuously reshapes that geometry under data and boundary constraints.</em></p></blockquote><p>This distinction makes Muon interesting. AdamW&#8217;s gradient is produced by the whole network, but its adaptive preconditioning remains largely coordinate-wise; Muon instead treats a weight matrix explicitly as a <strong>geometric operator</strong>, using its matrix-level spectral structure to determine the residual correction. </p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!mYaY!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbd44fbf3-2190-4cf2-bf98-61e2fb522da7_2172x724.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!mYaY!, /__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/w_424, /__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/c_limit, /__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/f_webp, /__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/q_auto:good, 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piecewise manifolds whose geometry is continually being reshaped during training. Muon therefore supports a broader proposition, <em>neural-network residuals must be corrected geometrically</em>, but it does not answer the harder question of what the correct geometry should be. Once geometry becomes primary, convergence speed alone is no longer sufficient. The correction must ultimately be judged by <em>geometric continuity, homological fidelity, and functional capability</em>.</p><h4>Geometric Continuity</h4><p>Muon improves on coordinate-wise correction by recognizing the internal geometry of a weight matrix, but local matrix geometry is only one part of the neural system. A weight operator transforms one manifold region while remaining geometrically coupled to the stacked manifolds around it; changing that operator changes the geometry seen by neighboring operators and the intrinsic pathways passing through them. </p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!hSqo!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fccb576ed-b99f-4db1-8351-cf1157a0bb3c_2172x724.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!hSqo!, /__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/w_424, /__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/c_limit, /__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/f_webp, /__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/q_auto:good, 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6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Click the image to view the detail</figcaption></figure></div><p>The progression from Muon toward compositional variants makes this increasingly explicit: Query and Key, or Output and Value, cannot always be treated independently because their functional geometry emerges through their composition. From the <em><a href="/__u/open.substack.com/pub/deepmanifold/p/what-is-deep-manifold">Deep Manifold</a></em> view, the appropriate residual correction should therefore preserve <em>geometric continuity across connected weight and activation manifolds</em>, rather than merely produce a well-conditioned individual matrix. Muon represents an important move from scalar coordinates toward operator geometry, but whether spectral normalization preserves continuity across the larger stacked manifold system remains an open question.</p><h4>Homological Fidelity</h4><p>Geometric regularity alone does not guarantee that learned structure has been preserved. A correction can be locally smooth, spectrally balanced, and numerically stable while still disrupting the global organization of the stacked manifold. In <em><a href="/__u/open.substack.com/pub/deepmanifold/p/single-token-geometry-deepseek-v4">Single Token Geometry 02: Manifold Tearing</a></em>, we described how local curvature, routing inconsistency, and discontinuous transport can tear manifold relationships even when individual computations remain valid. <em><a href="/__u/open.substack.com/pub/deepmanifold/p/mathematical-considerations-for-deepseek">Mathematical Considerations for DeepSeek V4</a></em> examines the same issue through containment and geometric compatibility, while <em><a href="/__u/open.substack.com/pub/deepmanifold/p/mathematical-considerations-for-kimi">Mathematical Considerations for Kimi K3</a></em> highlights the complementary problem of reduction: distributing computation is comparatively easy; recombining local transformations into a coherent whole is much harder. </p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" 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essential overlaps, connections, cycles, intrinsic pathways, and fixed-point organization across stacked manifolds. Muon has not demonstrated that spectral correction preserves this deeper structure. It may have found a useful local geometry without yet addressing the homology of the manifold system as a whole.</p><h4>Functional Capability</h4><p>The final test is not whether the residual falls faster, but whether the resulting geometry retains or expands what the model can actually do. The heavy-tailed associative-memory results are important because they show that Muon&#8217;s correction geometry can have a real functional consequence: rare knowledge can be learned much better when dominant singular directions no longer overwhelm weaker ones. 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8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Click the image to view the detail</figcaption></figure></div><p>Muon, Isospectral Optimization, and related approaches can restrict, normalize, or precondition the admissible movement in weight space and thereby reduce the number of training steps, while residual redistribution, manifold reorganization, intrinsic-path formation, and fixed-point stabilization may operate on different timescales. <strong>Parameter convergence time is not necessarily manifold formation time.</strong> A system can become numerically quiet before its geometric structure has fully developed. The objective should therefore not be to eliminate residuals as quickly as possible, but to let residual correction build a geometry that maintains geometric continuity, preserves homological fidelity, and ultimately sustains functional capability.</p><h4><strong>Muon as Geometric Normalization</strong></h4><p>Seen from this perspective, Muon can be understood as a form of <strong><span>geometric normalization of residual correction</span></strong>. Rather than treating the entries of a weight matrix as largely independent coordinates, Muon acts on the matrix as a geometric operator, normalizing its spectral structure and redistributing correction across singular directions. Its significance is therefore not simply faster convergence, but the recognition that residual correction itself has geometry. </p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Qd6Z!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1e30c737-7ab1-45a2-9404-219d3750f00d_2172x724.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Qd6Z!, /__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/w_424, /__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/c_limit, /__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/f_webp, /__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/q_auto:good, /__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1e30c737-7ab1-45a2-9404-219d3750f00d_2172x724.jpeg 424w, /__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Qd6Z!, 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Because learning is an inverse problem, the geometry of the solution is not known beforehand; it is progressively constructed from data through numerical iteration. Muon therefore imposes a particular geometric preference on how this construction proceeds. That preference may improve conditioning and learning efficiency, but whether it also preserves </span><strong><span>geometric continuity, homological fidelity, and functional capability</span></strong><span> across the evolving stacked manifold remains the more fundamental question.</span></p><h4>A Cautious View</h4><p>A final caution is necessary. We still do not know how the <em><a href="/__u/open.substack.com/pub/deepmanifold/p/neural-network-fixed-point-field">Neural Fixed-Point Field</a></em> actually develops during training, how different regions form, interact, stabilize, or whether apparent irregularities are temporary stages that are necessary for later capability. From the perspective of <em><a href="/__u/open.substack.com/pub/deepmanifold/p/dataualism">Dataualism</a></em>, the learned geometry should ultimately be shaped by fidelity to data rather than by a geometry imposed in advance. Muon&#8217;s spectral constraint may help the field form more coherently, but it may also suppress geometric variation that later proves necessary; at present, we do not know. </p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!O9SK!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F69243409-51f9-4ca0-8c61-c61a88b87353_2172x724.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!O9SK!, /__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/w_424, /__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/c_limit, /__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/f_webp, /__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/q_auto:good, /__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F69243409-51f9-4ca0-8c61-c61a88b87353_2172x724.png 424w, 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8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Click the image to view the detail</figcaption></figure></div><p><em>The myth of Muon is not that Muon does not work, but that faster convergence or cleaner local geometry tells us that we have found the correct geometry of neural learning</em><strong>.</strong> Until the formation of the neural fixed-point field can be observed and characterized more directly, Muon should be treated as an important geometric hypothesis, not the final geometry and judged by geometric continuity, homological fidelity, and functional capability rather than convergence speed alone.</p><ul><li><p><em><a href="/__u/open.substack.com/pub/deepmanifold/p/myth-of-neural-network-optimization">The Myth of Neural Network Optimization</a></em></p></li><li><p><em><a href="/__u/open.substack.com/pub/deepmanifold/p/myths-of-hidden-space-and-compression"><span>The Myth of Hidden Space and Compression</span></a><span>   </span></em></p></li><li><p><em><a href="/__u/open.substack.com/pub/deepmanifold/p/the-myth-of-where-dimensionality"><span>The Myth of Where Dimensionality Resides</span></a><span> </span></em></p></li></ul><p><span>This article is now listed under </span><em>&#8220;Myth Series&#8221;</em><span> in </span><em><a href="/__u/open.substack.com/pub/deepmanifold/p/deep-manifold-two-years-later"><span>Deep Manifold, Two Years Later: 2024&#8211;2026.</span></a></em></p>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[关于 GRPO 的数学思考]]></title><description><![CDATA[&#20960;&#20309;&#24863;&#30693;&#30340;&#24378;&#21270;&#23398;&#20064;]]></description><link>https://deepmanifold.substack.com/p/grpo</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://deepmanifold.substack.com/p/grpo</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Deep Manifold]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2026 10:15:01 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!2Os7!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F381c4b97-4cff-406b-9e5d-d5cb4a49c0d3_1935x813.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>English Edition: <a href="/__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/p/mathematical-considerations-for-grpo">Mathematical 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15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>&#36825;&#26679;&#30340;&#35774;&#35745;&#26377;&#21487;&#33021;&#21516;&#26102;&#25913;&#21892; GRPO &#30340;&#22810;&#20010;&#26041;&#38754;&#12290;&#22914;&#26524;&#23398;&#20064;&#20449;&#21495;&#33021;&#22815;&#26356;&#21152;&#20934;&#30830;&#22320;&#23450;&#20301;&#65292;&#37027;&#20040;&#24403;&#25104;&#21151;&#25110;&#22833;&#36133;&#21482;&#30001;&#36712;&#36857;&#20013;&#30340;&#19968;&#23567;&#37096;&#20998;&#36896;&#25104;&#26102;&#65292;&#23601;&#27809;&#26377;&#24517;&#35201;&#21453;&#22797;&#22870;&#21169;&#25110;&#21387;&#21046;&#25972;&#26465;&#36712;&#36857;&#12290;&#21407;&#21017;&#19978;&#65292;&#36825;&#19981;&#20165;&#21487;&#33021;&#25552;&#39640;<em>&#24615;&#33021;</em>&#65292;&#36824;&#21487;&#33021;&#20943;&#23569;&#35757;&#32451;&#25152;&#38656;&#30340;<em>&#26679;&#26412;&#25968;&#37327;&#12289;&#29983;&#25104;&#21333;&#26631;&#25968;&#37327;&#20197;&#21450;&#35745;&#31639;&#37327;</em>&#65292;&#22240;&#20026;&#23398;&#20064;&#20449;&#21495;&#33021;&#22815;&#26356;&#31934;&#20934;&#22320;&#20316;&#29992;&#20110;&#30495;&#27491;&#38656;&#35201;&#25913;&#21464;&#30340;&#20960;&#20309;&#32467;&#26500;&#12290;&#36825;&#20063;&#31526;&#21512;&#28145;&#24230;&#27969;&#24418;&#26356;&#24191;&#20041;&#30340;&#27169;&#22411;&#25193;&#23637;&#21407;&#21017;&#65306;&#25928;&#29575;&#19981;&#24212;&#35813;&#21482;&#26159;&#26469;&#33258;&#8220;&#23569;&#20570;&#19968;&#20123;&#35745;&#31639;&#8221;&#65292;&#32780;&#24212;&#35813;&#26469;&#33258;&#26356;&#22909;&#22320;&#32452;&#32455;&#23398;&#20064;&#65292;&#22312;&#20445;&#25345;<em>&#20960;&#20309;&#36830;&#32493;&#24615;&#12289;&#21516;&#35843;&#20445;&#30495;&#24615;&#21644;&#21151;&#33021;&#33021;&#21147;</em>&#30340;&#21516;&#26102;&#65292;&#20943;&#23569;&#19981;&#24517;&#35201;&#30340;&#20960;&#20309;&#21464;&#24418;&#19982;&#37325;&#22797;&#23398;&#20064;&#12290;</p><ul><li><p><em><a 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Learning]]></description><link>https://deepmanifold.substack.com/p/mathematical-considerations-for-grpo</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://deepmanifold.substack.com/p/mathematical-considerations-for-grpo</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Deep Manifold]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2026 10:04:14 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!2Os7!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F381c4b97-4cff-406b-9e5d-d5cb4a49c0d3_1935x813.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chinese Edition: <a href="/__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/p/grpo">&#20851;&#20110; GRPO &#30340;&#25968;&#23398;&#24605;&#32771;</a></p><h3>GRPO as Better Boundary Condition</h3><p>GRPO was proposed by DeepSeek largely to make reinforcement-learning training more practical by removing PPO&#8217;s separate critic model and reducing memory cost. Yet it may have stumbled onto something more important: <strong>better mathematics</strong>. Most discussions of GRPO focus on algorithms, reasoning performance, and computational efficiency, while much less attention has been given to the mathematical structure that may explain why GRPO works well beyond memory saving.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!2Os7!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F381c4b97-4cff-406b-9e5d-d5cb4a49c0d3_1935x813.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!2Os7!, /__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/w_424, /__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/c_limit, /__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/f_webp, /__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/q_auto:good, 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As discussed in <em><a href="/__u/open.substack.com/pub/deepmanifold/p/mathematical-considerations-for-learning">Mathematical Considerations for Learning Space</a></em> and Section 2.6, <strong>&#8220;Neural Network Boundary Condition,&#8221;</strong> of <em><a href="https://arxiv.org/abs/2512.06563">Deep Manifold Part 2: Neural Network Mathematics</a></em>, learning is shaped not only by data and architecture but also by the boundary conditions imposed on the inverse learning problem. </p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!c298!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F253c3a2b-e941-409e-8962-8c4acbe19ff3_1672x941.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!c298!, /__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/w_424, 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17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Click the image to view the detail</figcaption></figure></div><p>Rather than prescribing a target trajectory or continuously estimating the value of intermediate states, GRPO allows multiple trajectories to develop under the same problem and differentiates them through relative outcomes. Its boundary is therefore <em>weak, discrete, symmetric, and progressive</em>: weak because it does not dictate an exact path, discrete because feedback comes from sampled trajectories, symmetric because no trajectory is privileged in advance, and progressive because repeated comparisons gradually reshape the neural field.</p><h3>GRPO as a Stacked Piecewise Manifold Design</h3><p>GRPO can also be understood as a <strong>stacked piecewise manifold design</strong>. As discussed in <em><a href="/__u/open.substack.com/pub/deepmanifold/p/single-token-geometry-06-stacked">Single Token Geometry 06: Stacked Piecewise Manifold</a></em>, complex behavior does not need to be represented by one global smooth manifold. Different local manifolds can capture different aspects of the same problem, and their assembly can produce a richer representation. GRPO naturally creates such a structure: each sampled trajectory can be viewed as a different manifold realization of the same task, capturing a different possible pathway or aspect of the problem. Together, these trajectories give GRPO a richer way to represent a real world that is nonlinear, diverse, and often discontinuous, rather than compressing it into one supposedly correct path</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!DkfZ!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd07de8ad-2031-4062-88de-639a16c95ee7_1672x941.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!DkfZ!, /__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/w_424, /__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/c_limit, /__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/f_webp, /__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/q_auto:good, /__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd07de8ad-2031-4062-88de-639a16c95ee7_1672x941.png 424w, 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Across trajectories, different rollouts provide different manifold views of the same learning problem and collectively enrich its representation; along each trajectory, successive reasoning steps form local manifold covers that must overlap and connect smoothly enough to preserve continuity. Relative comparison then acts on these assembled pathways rather than on one prescribed solution. 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8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Click the image to view the detail</figcaption></figure></div><p>This stacked structure is powerful, but it also exposes a potential weakness. A trajectory may remain geometrically consistent through several local covers and then make a <strong>sharp turn</strong> at one transition, after which the reasoning can continue coherently along the wrong pathway. GRPO can determine that the completed trajectory performed poorly, but it does not necessarily identify where that geometric discontinuity occurred. Conversely, a poor intermediate turn may later recover and still receive a positive final outcome. The issue is therefore not only conventional credit assignment: the boundary condition is applied at the trajectory level, while the actual defect may be localized in the transition between two manifold covers.</p><h3>Toward Geometrically Informed GRPO</h3><p>This suggests a natural direction beyond trajectory-level GRPO. Following the principles of <em><a href="/__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/p/deep-manifold-model-scaling">Deep Manifold Model Scaling</a></em>, reinforcement learning should not only distinguish which completed trajectories perform better, but also preserve <em>geometric continuity, homological fidelity, and functional capability</em> as those trajectories develop. If each reasoning step is treated as a local manifold cover, then the overlap and transition between successive covers become part of the learning problem itself. A better boundary condition should preserve smooth and viable transitions while identifying where a trajectory makes a sharp turn into a different or unstable pathway. The goal is not to prescribe every reasoning step, but to retain GRPO&#8217;s weak, discrete, symmetric, and progressive character while making its boundary information more geometrically informed and locally meaningful.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!0jwv!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe9964e81-ffad-4176-9ad0-f549b7dfb62f_2172x724.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!0jwv!, /__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/w_424, /__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/c_limit, /__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/f_webp, /__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/q_auto:good, 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Better localization of the learning signal should reduce the need to repeatedly reward or suppress an entire trajectory when only a small part of it is responsible for success or failure. In principle, this could improve <em>performance while reducing samples, generated tokens, and training compute,</em> because learning would be directed more precisely toward the geometry that actually needs to change. This follows the broader Deep Manifold scaling principle: efficiency should not come merely from doing less computation, but from organizing learning so that <em>geometric continuity, homological fidelity, and functional capability</em> are preserved while unnecessary geometric deformation and repeated relearning are reduced.</p><ul><li><p><em><a href="/__u/open.substack.com/pub/deepmanifold/p/mathematical-considerations-for-training"><span>Mathematical Considerations for Training Progression</span></a></em></p></li><li><p><em><a href="/__u/open.substack.com/pub/deepmanifold/p/why-is-continual-learning-even-possible">Mathematical Considerations for Continual Learning</a></em></p></li><li><p><a href="/__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/p/mathematical-considerations-for-reinforcement">Mathematical Considerations for Reinforcement Learning</a></p></li></ul><p><span>This article is now listed under</span><em><span> Training and Mathematical Considerations Series</span></em><span> in 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Intelligence]]></title><description><![CDATA[The First Step Toward Self-Evolving Intelligence]]></description><link>https://deepmanifold.substack.com/p/model-native-intelligence</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://deepmanifold.substack.com/p/model-native-intelligence</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Deep Manifold]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Sun, 23 Aug 2026 22:20:00 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!eCzw!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff2dac140-8446-486c-85aa-3850e2ce3ea5_2172x724.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chinese Edition: <a href="/__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/p/227">&#27169;&#22411;&#21407;&#29983;&#26234;&#33021;</a></p><p><strong>Model-native intelligence</strong> means that a human gives the model a task, and the model itself constructs whatever is needed to complete it: planning, memory, tools, verification, retries, agents, and harness. The defining point is simple: <em>the model builds its own harness rather than receiving a harness designed by humans.</em></p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!eCzw!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff2dac140-8446-486c-85aa-3850e2ce3ea5_2172x724.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!eCzw!, /__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/w_424, /__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/c_limit, /__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/f_webp, /__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/q_auto:good, /__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff2dac140-8446-486c-85aa-3850e2ce3ea5_2172x724.png 424w, /__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!eCzw!, 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8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Click the image to view the detail</figcaption></figure></div><p>Recent IMO-level results and mathematical proofs show extraordinary AI capability, but they do not necessarily demonstrate model-native intelligence. Even when there is no human intervention during execution, the model may still operate under a human-predefined system, such as a reasoning or agent harness. In that case, the model is functioning as a smart tool within a computational pathway humans designed in advance.</p><p>The definition is therefore straightforward:<em> human provides the task; the model builds its own agent and harness and finishes the task without further human intervention</em>. Model-native does not mean weights alone. Agents and harnesses can still exist&#8212;the difference is that they are created by the model itself.</p><p>In <em><a href="/__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/p/can-llms-jump-with-conviction-and">Can LLMs Jump with Conviction and Courage?</a></em>, conviction and courage were discussed as one example of capabilities that may matter for genuine scientific discovery. We can encode behaviors resembling conviction and courage into a harness, but that only shows what a human-designed system can produce. To test the model&#8217;s own intelligence, we need to ask whether such capabilities originate from the model itself. <em>Conviction and courage are only one example; this is why it is important to begin discussing model-native intelligence as a distinct measure of AI capability.</em></p><p><span>This article is now listed under</span><em><span> Architecture</span></em><span> in </span><em><a href="/__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/p/deep-manifold-two-years-later"><span>Deep Manifold, Two Years Later: 2024&#8211;2026.</span></a></em></p>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[大语言模型能否带着信念与勇气完成跳跃？]]></title><description><![CDATA[&#36229;&#36234;&#31185;&#23398;&#21457;&#29616;&#20013;&#30340;&#24402;&#32435;&#12289;&#28436;&#32462;&#19982;&#28335;&#22240;]]></description><link>https://deepmanifold.substack.com/p/50c</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://deepmanifold.substack.com/p/50c</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Deep Manifold]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2026 20:07:16 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!WNGX!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F601c35ec-fb1e-4007-9e27-831c28f2449a_1810x724.jpeg" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>English Edition: <a href="/__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/p/can-llms-jump-with-conviction-and">Can LLMs Jump with Conviction and Courage?</a></p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!WNGX!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F601c35ec-fb1e-4007-9e27-831c28f2449a_1810x724.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!WNGX!, /__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/w_424, /__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/c_limit, 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12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><h3>Induction and Deduction: What LLMs Already Have</h3><p><em><a href="https://www.tomzahavy.com/files/llms-cant-jump.pdf">Tom Zahavy</a></em> and <em><a href="https://yongzx.github.io/blog/2026/08/08/llm-can-jump">Yong Zheng-Xin</a></em> begin from an important point of agreement: <em>LLMs are already capable of induction and deduction</em>. Zahavy describes modern generative AI as highly capable of induction through statistical learning and increasingly capable of deduction through formal reasoning and theorem proving. Yong explicitly accepts this premise. Their disagreement begins later, with abduction and the nature of the scientific jump.</p><p>From the Deep Manifold perspective, induction and deduction should not be surprising capabilities because <em>a neural network is fundamentally designed to learn</em>. As discussed in <em><a href="/__u/open.substack.com/pub/deepmanifold/p/learning-is-an-inverse-problem">Learning Is an Inverse Problem</a></em>, learning is an inverse problem: from observations and boundary conditions, the network iteratively reconstructs an unknown relational structure. Its extraordinary learning power is rooted particularly in <strong>propertyless activations and sufficiently full-rank transformations</strong>. Propertyless numerical quantities are not intrinsically tied to language, images, equations, physical measurements, or predefined concepts, while sufficiently full-rank transformations preserve many independent directions in which relationships can form.</p><p>This becomes even clearer through category theory. As discussed in <em><a href="/__u/open.substack.com/pub/deepmanifold/p/neural-networks-category-theory-and">Mathematical Considerations for Transfer Learning through Category Theory</a></em> and <em><a href="/__u/open.substack.com/pub/deepmanifold/p/mathematical-considerations-for-expert">Mathematical Considerations for Expert Data Transfer</a></em>, what matters is not simply the objects themselves but the <em>relationships and transformations among them</em>. Objects may differ radically across domains, while relational and compositional structures can still be mapped, compared, and sometimes preserved. Neural networks are unusually compatible with this view because their propertyless internal quantities do not carry fixed domain identities. They can learn morphism-like relationships first and allow meaning to emerge from how those relationships compose.</p><p>Seen this way,<em> induction constructs relational structure, while deduction composes and traverses the structure already available</em>. Induction learns that certain objects, observations, or transformations belong together; deduction follows those learned relationships to consequences that were not explicitly given. Category theory provides a natural mathematical language for both: objects, morphisms, composition, and structure-preserving mappings.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!fIue!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5a2ae1d8-6e78-4f40-9f82-d1a19d6fe26c_2172x724.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!fIue!, /__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/w_424, /__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/c_limit, /__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/f_webp, /__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/q_auto:good, /__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5a2ae1d8-6e78-4f40-9f82-d1a19d6fe26c_2172x724.png 424w, /__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!fIue!, 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href="/__u/open.substack.com/pub/deepmanifold/p/mathematical-considerations-for-complexity">Mathematical Considerations for Complexity and Emergence</a></em>. Real-world data contain high-order nonlinearity, discontinuity, recursion, context dependence, composition, and enormous relational complexity. Propertylessness removes representational barriers, full-rank structure preserves relational freedom, and stacked manifolds distribute this complexity across learnable local structures. Under sufficient complexity, capacity, and learning, capabilities that were never individually programmed can emerge. Induction and deduction are therefore not mysterious additions to LLMs; they are reasonable consequences of a sufficiently powerful relational learning machine.</p><p>This supports the common ground between Zahavy and Yong. <em>LLMs can learn relationships, connect them, compose them, and reason through them</em><strong>.</strong> The harder question is whether they can go beyond the relationships already established and introduce a connection that changes the structure itself. That is where their debate moves from induction and deduction to <em>abduction and to the jump</em>.</p><h3>Abduction: From Full Relational Space to Order</h3><p>Both Tom Zahavy in <em>LLMs Can&#8217;t Jump</em> and Yong Zheng-Xin in <em>LLM Can &#8220;Jump&#8221;</em> place <strong>abduction</strong> at the center of scientific discovery. From the Deep Manifold perspective, abduction can be viewed as searching a <strong>full relational space</strong> before the correct relationships and their order are known. 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/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!HFGw!, /__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/w_1456, /__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/c_limit, /__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/f_auto, /__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/q_auto:good, /__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7f993994-e2aa-4023-8839-2370187af9c2_2172x724.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Click the image to view the detail</figcaption></figure></div><p>But a proposed relationship is only the beginning. <strong>Perturbation creates order.</strong> As discussed in <em><a href="/__u/open.substack.com/pub/deepmanifold/p/mathematical-considerations-for-causal">Mathematical Considerations for Causal Inference</a></em>, interventions change boundary conditions, expose alternative pathways, and reveal which relationships remain stable as the system is perturbed. Causal structure can therefore emerge as a partial order reconstructed from relations that survive these changes.</p><p>Einstein&#8217;s equivalence of gravity and acceleration illustrates this process. The abductive jump opened a previously unrecognized relation: <strong>gravity &#8596; acceleration</strong>. Thought experiments then perturbed the physical setting: free fall, acceleration, clocks, light, and different frames of reference. What survived those perturbations gradually acquired structure and order. In this sense, <em>abduction opens the full relational space; perturbation tests it and makes order emerge</em>.</p><h3>Conviction and Courage</h3><p>Research is brutal and cold-hearted. There is no such thing as &#8220;wrong&#8221; research in the act of asking, testing, and searching; there are outcomes that survive reality and outcomes that do not. In frontier research, failure dominates. I sometimes think of it as a 95% losing game: most ideas, hypotheses, experiments, and mathematical paths eventually lead nowhere. Being a researcher is therefore a high-hazard occupation, not necessarily physically, but intellectually, professionally, and personally. As I discussed in <em><a href="/__u/open.substack.com/pub/deepmanifold/p/zienkiewicz-moment">Zienkiewicz Moment, History Repeating Itself?</a></em>, even a giant of a field can spend decades building a beautiful mathematical direction only to discover that the underlying structure does not survive the next level of complexity. Research has no obligation to protect reputation, seniority, effort, or belief. It only answers to what survives.</p><p>Great research therefore comes with something that induction, deduction, and even abduction do not fully describe: <strong>conviction and courage</strong>. A new relationship can be proposed abductively. Its consequences can be deduced. Evidence can be accumulated inductively. But before any of those processes provide sufficient reassurance, someone still has to believe that an improbable path is worth following. That often means years of loneliness, doubt, rejection, ridicule, and sometimes the loss of colleagues, institutional support, or professional standing.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!SmvF!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7e440d6b-8a85-4d10-b964-e34b826249a7_2172x724.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!SmvF!, /__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/w_424, /__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/c_limit, /__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/f_webp, /__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/q_auto:good, /__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7e440d6b-8a85-4d10-b964-e34b826249a7_2172x724.png 424w, 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8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Click the image to view the detail</figcaption></figure></div><p>Alfred Wegener is one of the clearest examples. His continental-drift hypothesis connected geological, fossil, geographic, and paleoclimatic evidence into a radically different picture of Earth, yet much of the geological establishment rejected it. Wegener lacked a convincing mechanism for continental motion, but he continued because the relationships across those observations were too coherent to dismiss. He died decades before plate tectonics supplied the mechanism that transformed continental drift into modern Earth science. His story shows that conviction does not mean certainty: <em>one can believe strongly in a structure while recognizing that part of the explanation is still missing.</em></p><p>Barry Marshall and Robin Warren provide a different example. Their proposal that <em>Helicobacter pylori</em> caused gastritis and peptic ulcers contradicted the prevailing view that ulcers were primarily associated with stress, lifestyle, and excess acid. After facing criticism and difficulty publishing their work, Marshall experimented on himself by ingesting the bacterium, developing gastritis and providing dramatic evidence that it could infect a healthy stomach. Their work overturned medical doctrine and earned them the 2005 Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine.</p><p>These examples expose something deeper about the &#8220;LLM jump.&#8221; The problem may not end when an intelligence discovers a new relational connection. Scientific discovery happens under <strong>uncertainty</strong>, where the new path usually has less evidence, less social support, and often less immediate explanatory convenience than the established one. A model can generate ten thousand hypotheses and rank them. It can test them, reject most of them, and generate ten thousand more. 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Courage is accepting the possibility that the path may destroy the very assumptions, reputation, or body of work on which one currently stands.</em></p><p>This creates a harder question than whether LLMs can perform induction, deduction, or abduction. Perhaps an LLM can jump. Perhaps interconnected knowledge, perturbation, world models, and sufficiently rich relational learning can make such jumps increasingly likely. But scientific history suggests that the greatest jumps often occur when the probability assigned by the existing world is still very low.</p><p>Can an LLM recognize such a path and stay with it, not because its reward is immediately higher, not because consensus supports it, and not because a benchmark tells it that it is getting warmer, but because the underlying structure gives it sufficient reason to continue?</p><p>That may be where scientific intelligence finally confronts <strong>conviction and courage</strong>.</p><p><em><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/If%E2%80%94">Rudyard Kipling captured</a> </em>the balance remarkably well in <em>If&#8212;</em>:</p><blockquote><p>&#8220;If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,<br>But make allowance for their doubting too;&#8221;</p></blockquote><p>Currently, the end user accesses the model through a harness layer. One can implement conviction and courage in the harness to force the model to &#8220;jump,&#8221; but that is <strong><span>not model-native intelligence</span></strong>. See <em><a href="/__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/p/model-native-intelligence"><span>Model-Native Intelligence</span></a></em></p><ul><li><p><em><a href="https://x.com/BetaTomorrow/status/2050461737363951997"><span>Single Toke</span></a></em></p></li></ul><ul><li><p><em><a href="/__u/open.substack.com/pub/deepmanifold/p/single-token-geometry-03-data-complexity">Single Token Geometry 03: Data Complexity </a></em></p></li><li><p><em><a href="/__u/open.substack.com/pub/deepmanifold/p/mathematical-considerations-for-learning-20f">Mathematical Considerations for Learning Complexity</a></em></p></li><li><p><em><a href="/__u/open.substack.com/pub/deepmanifold/p/iii-posed-and-jagged-intelligence">Mathematical Considerations for Jagged and Ill-Posed Intelligence</a></em></p></li><li><p><em><a href="/__u/open.substack.com/pub/deepmanifold/p/single-token-geometry-07-attention">Single Token Geometry 07: Attention</a></em></p></li></ul><p><span>This article is now listed under</span><em><span> Scientific and Engineering Intelligence and Mathematical Considerations Series</span></em><span> in </span><em><a href="/__u/deepmanifold.substack.com/p/deep-manifold-two-years-later"><span>Deep Manifold, Two Years Later: 2024&#8211;2026.</span></a></em></p>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[深度流形模型扩展]]></title><description><![CDATA[&#21442;&#25968;&#12289;&#26550;&#26500;&#19982;&#35757;&#32451;]]></description><link>https://deepmanifold.substack.com/p/377</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://deepmanifold.substack.com/p/377</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Deep Manifold]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2026 21:48:20 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Dn1E!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F91514932-2407-4290-9bf1-faf3ce5eb4c7_2172x724.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>English Edition: <a 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