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Catholicism is, most assuredly, the absolute coolest.]]></description><link>https://lucasscottroberts.substack.com</link><image><url>https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!PmUX!,w_256,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5c0d7aad-e869-4e2d-b773-37c08f8a1864_925x925.png</url><title>Cool, Calm and Catholic</title><link>https://lucasscottroberts.substack.com</link></image><generator>Substack</generator><lastBuildDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2026 07:48:12 GMT</lastBuildDate><atom:link href="/__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/feed" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml"/><copyright><![CDATA[Lucas Scott Roberts]]></copyright><language><![CDATA[en]]></language><webMaster><![CDATA[lucasscottroberts@substack.com]]></webMaster><itunes:owner><itunes:email><![CDATA[lucasscottroberts@substack.com]]></itunes:email><itunes:name><![CDATA[Lucas Scott Roberts]]></itunes:name></itunes:owner><itunes:author><![CDATA[Lucas Scott 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Perhaps the most balanced public appraisal of Malachi Martin&#8217;s impact on modern traditional Catholicism was handled by Dr. Taylor Marshall and Timothy Gordon:</span></p><div id="youtube2-z0SiRVsrO84" class="youtube-wrap" data-attrs="{&quot;videoId&quot;:&quot;z0SiRVsrO84&quot;,&quot;startTime&quot;:null,&quot;endTime&quot;:null}" data-component-name="Youtube2ToDOM"><div class="youtube-inner"><iframe src="https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/z0SiRVsrO84?rel=0&amp;autoplay=0&amp;showinfo=0&amp;enablejsapi=0" frameborder="0" loading="lazy" gesture="media" allow="autoplay; fullscreen" allowautoplay="true" allowfullscreen="true" width="728" height="409"></iframe></div></div><p><span>But a quick perusal of the comments section for this video will tell you that the deep love and affection for Martin runs deep. Even though this honest assessment of Martin&#8217;s legacy was given by two Catholic youtubers who are themselves openly skeptical of Vatican 2, that did not stop traditionalists from taking umbrage with this episode:</span></p><blockquote><p><span>&#8220;Father Malachi Martin  is a giant among men. Anyone should be honored to have known him.&#8221; (102 likes)</span></p></blockquote><blockquote><p><span>&#8220;The church is in eclipse, can you not see for yourself? Malachi Martin was 100% accurate.&#8221; (206 likes)</span></p></blockquote><blockquote><p><span>&#8220;Have to agree with the vast majority of the comments here, you guys did an awful job at addressing this. Definitely not a source for anybody looking seriously into Malachi Martin&#8217;s life or anything mentioned within, for that matter.&#8221; (49 likes)</span></p></blockquote><p><span>As we&#8217;ve covered earlier, the reason the Malachi Martin Mythos is so pervasive is that many Catholics who feel scandalized by the liberal shift that coincided with Vatican 2 need a narrative, a story to help explain how the Catholic Church shifted from traditional piety to liberal largesse.</span></p><h2 style="text-align: center;"><span>Plummeting Attendances and Broken Legs</span></h2><p><span>Take for example the 2016 documentary &#8220;Hostage to the Devil, </span><em><span>The True Story of America&#8217;s Most Notorious Exorcist</span></em><span>&#8221;. It starts with Father Eugene O&#8217;Neil, a traditional priest from Ireland who paints a rosy picture of American Catholicism that in the 1950s. The Church was growing, people were coming into formation, parishes were popping up everywhere. And then&#8230;..VATICAN 2! V2 took America off of the narrow path and ushered in a mass apostasy that the Church is still reeling from all these years later.</span></p><p><span>Except Father O&#8217;Neill provides nothing in the way of studies or statistics to bolster this point. By all measures mass attendance AND priestly formations had peaked in the 1950s and were trending down before the 1960s and Vatican 2. This downtrend seems to be more associated with the suburbanization of traditional urban Catholic communities. The pockets of piety evaporated as Catholics migrated out of the big city and into suburbia.</span></p><p><a href="https://aedificemus.com/we-must-build/#fn:canon-law-bination"><span>The decline of mass attendance and priestly formations had nothing to do with Vatican 2. It was trending down due to social migration well before the 1960s.</span></a></p><p><span>But if you insist that Vatican 2 was the real culprit and you accept Father O&#8217;Neil&#8217;s revisionist history, then you are primed to accept everything else this documentary throws at you, evidence be damned!</span></p><p><span>Some of the more interesting claims in this documentary:</span></p><ul><li><p><span>According to Martin&#8217;s literary agent, Lisa Karph, one of the reasons Martin left the Vatican in 1964 was because Pope John XXIII advised him to &#8220;</span><strong><span>get out of town or you&#8217;ll become another fat cardinal with a mistress&#8221;</span></strong><span>.</span></p></li><li><p><span>Physical confrontations during exorcisms were apparently a common threat. Martin sustained a cut on his head after a demon threw a foot stool at him.</span></p></li><li><p><span>At a conference with Lorraine Walker (famous paranormal investigator) he claims how exorcism had cost him &#8220;.</span><strong><span>..2 broken legs, almost broken kneecaps&#8230;it&#8217;s endangered my life several times.&#8221;</span></strong></p></li><li><p><span>William Peter Blatty, author of The Exorcist, required Martin to produce proof that he was an exorcist. </span><strong><span>Martin apparently got Pope Paul VI to send a letter confirming Martin&#8217;s exorcist status.</span></strong></p></li></ul><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!a4iC!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe3c08d86-c450-46c6-9da4-44d0b194b887_1133x792.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div 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Martin says he is legally bound to protect his sources because &#8220;there is an incredibly shameful aspect to this whole exorcism business.&#8221;&#8221; </figcaption></figure></div><p><span>We&#8217;ve previously covered Martin&#8217;s inexplicable transition from </span><a href="/__u/substack.com/@lucasscottroberts/note/c-308763296?utm_source=notes-share-action&amp;r=77m4u"><span>Dead Sea Scroll linguist to Exorcist</span></a><span>. His exorcism credentials were never demonstrated to anyone, just claims that his fans took at face value. The letter from Pope Paul VI confirming Martin&#8217;s status </span><a href="/__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/p/demystifying-the-malachi-martin-mythos?r=77m4u&amp;utm_campaign=post&amp;utm_medium=web"><span>as a &#8220;secularized&#8221; priest authorized to conduct exorcisms</span></a><span> has never been seen by anyone. And to this day no one has ever seen or heard the tapes that Martin claimed recorded each of the exorcisms he covered in his 1976 book, &#8220;Hostage to the Devil&#8221;. No tapes, and no priests or witnesses to these supposed exorcisms have ever come forward to claim their authenticity. Not to mention Martin&#8217;s concept of &#8220;Perfect Possession&#8221;, where someone is so possessed that that they can&#8217;t be exorcised, is another novelty with no basis in traditional exorcism teaching.</span></p><h1 style="text-align: center;"><span>They&#8217;re STILL Writing About Him</span></h1><p><span>The Malachi Martin Mythos continues to live on! Robert Marro, one of the producers of the &#8220;Hostage to the Devil&#8221; documentary and a personal friend of Martin, gives more details about Martin&#8217;s Vatican intelligence work behind the Iron Curtain in his 2025 book </span><a href="https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/241547657-malachi-martin"><span>&#8220;Malachi Martin: In the Shadows of the Vatican&#8221;</span></a><span>. Apparently Martin wasn&#8217;t just a Jesuit priest, </span><strong><span>Pope Pius XII made him a bishop in order to ordain underground priests and bishops in Soviet Russia!</span></strong></p><p><span>As with all the other extraordinary claims about Martin, nothing is provided in the way of evidence. Yet the reviews for this work are not negative at all.</span></p><blockquote><p><span>&#8220;I am so grateful to Robert Marro for sharing so much about his friend, the &#8220;controversial&#8221; and well-loved Malachi Martin. </span><strong><span>This book opened my eyes to the many truths shielded from the faithful</span></strong><span>. It is a page-turner and, unfortunately, contains (what I personally believe) to be </span><strong><span>facts about the infiltration of evil into the Catholic Church.</span></strong><span>&#8221;</span></p></blockquote><blockquote><p><span>&#8220;A book every Catholic must read! Beautifully and authentically written - from the heart, giving us indepth insight into who Fr. Malachi Martin was. How strong his Catholic Faith and His love for Our Lord Jesus Christ, Our Blessed Mother and Holy Mother Church. </span><strong><span>The fact he was made a Cardinal made my heart very happy</span></strong><span> - he was truly a good and faithful servant to the end.&#8221;</span></p></blockquote><blockquote><p><span>&#8220;This Great Work of Mr. Morro&#8217;s is so needed to familiarize Catholics of All ages with The Great Rev. Dr. Malachi Martin+ and correct and hopefully, at last </span><strong><span>dispel all the slanderous lies and accusations leveled against him by his enemies and the enemies of The Church</span></strong><span>! Rest In Eternal Peace+ Fr. Martin &#128591;&#127995;&#8221;</span></p></blockquote><p><span>It makes you wonder; why doesn&#8217;t Malachi Martin literature ever garner any critical reviews?</span></p><div class="subscription-widget-wrap-editor" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://lucasscottroberts.substack.com/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe&quot;,&quot;language&quot;:&quot;en&quot;}" data-component-name="SubscribeWidgetToDOM"><div class="subscription-widget show-subscribe"><div class="preamble"><p class="cta-caption">We&#8217;re almost done with the Malachi Martin deep dive! Stay tuned and subscribed</p></div><form class="subscription-widget-subscribe"><input type="email" class="email-input" name="email" placeholder="Type your email&#8230;" tabindex="-1"><input type="submit" class="button primary" value="Subscribe"><div class="fake-input-wrapper"><div class="fake-input"></div><div class="fake-button"></div></div></form></div></div><p></p><h1 style="text-align: center;"><span>You Either Love Him Or&#8230;Ignore Him</span></h1><p><span>You can&#8217;t blame your average Catholic for not going down the Malachi Martin rabbit hole. There&#8217;s so much conflicting information about him that it&#8217;s challenging to know who it is you&#8217;re even criticizing. This leaves 2 types of Martin inquisitors:</span></p><ol><li><p><span>Loyal, unquestioning fans</span></p></li><li><p><span>No bro see Malachi Martin was actually a Mossad agent helping Israel subvert the Catholic Church with&#8230;.</span></p></li></ol><p><span>You either get unwavering supporters or crazy conspiracy theorists. There is no in between. So why even bother? Why try to demonstrate that Malachi Martin is not to be trusted?</span></p><p><span>Because his Mythos helps perpetuate the larger myth that Vatican 2 ushered apostasy into the Church. If you&#8217;re a faithful Catholic who is convinced that the Church has forsaken her calling, then you have 2 options:</span></p><ul><li><p><span>Sedevacantism</span></p></li><li><p><span>SSPX</span></p></li></ul><p><span>Both of which leads you out of communion with the Church, outside of the body of Christ.</span></p><p><span>With the </span><a href="https://www.ewtnnews.com/vatican/sspx-consecrates-bishops-in-defiance-of-rome-s-schism-warning"><span>SSPX 2026 bishop consecrations in defiance of Rome&#8217;s warning of schism</span></a><span> many traditional Catholics are in real danger of being excommunicated from the Church. The SSPX conducts roughly 40% - 45% of Traditional Latin Masses worldwide. This is a sizeable portion of devout Catholics, many of whom are convinced that the SPPX&#8217;s adherence to the Traditional Latin Mass, their public skepticism of the orthodoxy of Vatican 2 and their parallel hierarchy are all necessary in order to avoid the contamination of the &#8220;post conciliar church&#8221;.</span></p><p><span>How many of these Catholics were convinced of Vatican 2 corruption because of Malachi Martin? Maybe they don&#8217;t believe EVERY crazy claim Malachi Martin made, but there&#8217;s enough there to cause them to look outside of their diocesan priests and bishops and consider alternative solutions like the SSPX, Old Catholics or Sedevacantists. Even in the Dr. Taylor Marshall I cited above, the conclusions they draw are essentially, &#8220;Look I don&#8217;t believe everything Malachi Martin said, but you got to hand it to the guy. He foretold the liberal shift was coming, and he was right.&#8221;</span></p><p>Martin didn&#8217;t predict anything. The &#8220;liberal shift&#8221;, if we must call the lower mass attendance and priestly formations a &#8220;liberal shift&#8221;, had started in the 1950s, before Pope John XXIII took the papal throne and well before the advent of Vatican 2. <a href="/__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/p/im-not-traditional-said-malachi-martin?r=77m4u&amp;utm_campaign=post&amp;utm_medium=web">Not to mention MALACHI MARTIN WAS HIMSELF PART OF THE LIBERAL CONTINGENT ACCORDING TO HIS OWN WORDS!!!!!</a></p><p>But if we continue to ignore Malachi Martin, if we don&#8217;t call out his lies and his contradictions, than more people who are sympathetic to the traditional push against Vatican 2 will discover Martin and take his story as gospel truth, at the risk of damning their own souls.</p><p>The stakes are high. We must get Malachi Martin right or risk losing more people to movements cut off from the Catholic Church. </p><div class="captioned-button-wrap" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://lucasscottroberts.substack.com/p/sedevacantist-fodder?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email&utm_content=share&action=share&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Share&quot;}" data-component-name="CaptionedButtonToDOM"><div class="preamble"><p class="cta-caption">Share with someone who is considering accepting the Malachi Martin Mythos</p></div><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://lucasscottroberts.substack.com/p/sedevacantist-fodder?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email&utm_content=share&action=share&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Share&quot;}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="/__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/p/sedevacantist-fodder?utm_source=substack&amp;utm_medium=email&amp;utm_content=share&amp;action=share"><span>Share</span></a></p></div><p></p>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Demystifying the Malachi Martin Mythos]]></title><description><![CDATA[What exactly do Martin believers believe about Martin?]]></description><link>https://lucasscottroberts.substack.com/p/demystifying-the-malachi-martin-mythos</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://lucasscottroberts.substack.com/p/demystifying-the-malachi-martin-mythos</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Lucas Scott Roberts]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2026 12:28:46 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!5bbO!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fefeafd70-2bad-4cbe-bc43-7bcb5202f06a_667x1000.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span>If you look up Malachi Martin online, you&#8217;ll find a wide range of opinions regarding him. Everything from; he was a true traditionalist priest who tried to protect the Catholic Church from the liberal excesses of Vatican 2, or he was a Judaizing Mossad agent who sought to subvert traditional Catholicism into useful Zionist idiots. The truth, as I&#8217;ve come to learn through my research, is NOT somewhere in between these two extremes, between pious zealot and Israeli double agent. The truth is actually far less interesting than either of these options, funny enough.</span></p><p><span>The purpose of my research into Malachi Martin is; I want to give people who are interested in taking Martin&#8217;s claims at face value an opportunity to truly examine him in his own words, across his entire body of work. Did he tell the same stories consistently over the years?</span></p><p><span>My initial article was about how Martin was presenting himself shortly after he left the priesthood in 1964. </span><strong><span>In his own words, he was not a traditionalist</span></strong><span>, nor did his published works represent anything remotely traditional:</span></p><div class="digest-post-embed" data-attrs="{&quot;nodeId&quot;:&quot;3d4e09cf-b753-4af8-a807-9db0cc0b9c51&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;If you&#8217;re an online Catholic and you see Vatican 2 come up in your timeline, inevitably you see wild conspiracy theories about how this ecumenical council went down.&quot;,&quot;cta&quot;:null,&quot;showBylines&quot;:true,&quot;showDescription&quot;:true,&quot;showImage&quot;:true,&quot;size&quot;:&quot;lg&quot;,&quot;isEditorNode&quot;:true,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&#8220;I&#8217;m not traditional,&#8221; said Malachi Martin.&quot;,&quot;publishedBylines&quot;:[{&quot;id&quot;:12112590,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Lucas Scott Roberts&quot;,&quot;bio&quot;:&quot;Recovering Libertarian. Insurance Broker and a Maronite Catholic. Ask me about Claims Made coverages and Syriac Christianity.&quot;,&quot;photo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/88757687-7491-4323-99ce-7835866fd25c_298x298.png&quot;,&quot;is_guest&quot;:false,&quot;bestseller_tier&quot;:null}],&quot;post_date&quot;:&quot;2026-07-24T12:26:07.937Z&quot;,&quot;cover_image&quot;:&quot;https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!w7dw!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F00f1e3de-1c8f-4104-8854-99f627bd4ad0_1024x1392.jpeg&quot;,&quot;cover_image_alt&quot;:null,&quot;canonical_url&quot;:&quot;https://lucasscottroberts.substack.com/p/im-not-traditional-said-malachi-martin&quot;,&quot;section_name&quot;:null,&quot;video_upload_id&quot;:null,&quot;id&quot;:208324332,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;newsletter&quot;,&quot;reaction_count&quot;:10,&quot;comment_count&quot;:1,&quot;publication_id&quot;:733317,&quot;publication_name&quot;:&quot;Cool, Calm and Catholic&quot;,&quot;publication_logo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!PmUX!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5c0d7aad-e869-4e2d-b773-37c08f8a1864_925x925.png&quot;,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:false,&quot;youtube_url&quot;:null,&quot;show_links&quot;:null,&quot;feed_url&quot;:null}"></div><p><span>I next looked at a </span><strong><span>fake Papal prayer</span></strong><span> that was submitted to the American Jewish Committee that </span><strong><span>bore an alias we confirmed Malachi Martin was using</span></strong><span>:</span></p><div class="digest-post-embed" data-attrs="{&quot;nodeId&quot;:&quot;8f1a0b3a-8d6c-4b83-a4a2-55cd22e9ba34&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;When a Vatican insider tells the world that:&quot;,&quot;cta&quot;:null,&quot;showBylines&quot;:true,&quot;showDescription&quot;:true,&quot;showImage&quot;:true,&quot;size&quot;:&quot;lg&quot;,&quot;isEditorNode&quot;:true,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;The Papal Prayer That Never Was&quot;,&quot;publishedBylines&quot;:[{&quot;id&quot;:12112590,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Lucas Scott Roberts&quot;,&quot;bio&quot;:&quot;Recovering Libertarian. Insurance Broker and a Maronite Catholic. Ask me about Claims Made coverages and Syriac Christianity.&quot;,&quot;photo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/88757687-7491-4323-99ce-7835866fd25c_298x298.png&quot;,&quot;is_guest&quot;:false,&quot;bestseller_tier&quot;:null}],&quot;post_date&quot;:&quot;2026-07-28T15:33:17.431Z&quot;,&quot;cover_image&quot;:&quot;https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!JzAF!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7811cedb-ebf3-4a1f-85be-7b0ae4f01406_500x500.png&quot;,&quot;cover_image_alt&quot;:null,&quot;canonical_url&quot;:&quot;https://lucasscottroberts.substack.com/p/the-papal-prayer-that-never-was&quot;,&quot;section_name&quot;:null,&quot;video_upload_id&quot;:null,&quot;id&quot;:208846919,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;newsletter&quot;,&quot;reaction_count&quot;:8,&quot;comment_count&quot;:2,&quot;publication_id&quot;:733317,&quot;publication_name&quot;:&quot;Cool, Calm and Catholic&quot;,&quot;publication_logo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!PmUX!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5c0d7aad-e869-4e2d-b773-37c08f8a1864_925x925.png&quot;,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:false,&quot;youtube_url&quot;:null,&quot;show_links&quot;:null,&quot;feed_url&quot;:null}"></div><p><span>After that we looked at how after writing a few works of religious indifferentism, </span><strong><span>he then decided to write a book about exorcism</span></strong><span>, something for which </span><strong><span>he had no training or background according to his own resume:</span></strong></p><div class="digest-post-embed" data-attrs="{&quot;nodeId&quot;:&quot;4a1b3923-8536-40c1-90ac-542e94a8cbe4&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;***IF YOU&#8217;RE READING THIS ON EMAIL, PLEASE GO TO THE SUBSTACK WEBSITE TO GET THE FULL ARTICLE***&quot;,&quot;cta&quot;:null,&quot;showBylines&quot;:true,&quot;showDescription&quot;:true,&quot;showImage&quot;:true,&quot;size&quot;:&quot;lg&quot;,&quot;isEditorNode&quot;:true,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;Malachi Martin, Semitic Language Expert Turned&#8230;Exorcist?&quot;,&quot;publishedBylines&quot;:[{&quot;id&quot;:12112590,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Lucas Scott Roberts&quot;,&quot;bio&quot;:&quot;Recovering Libertarian. 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Ask me about Claims Made coverages and Syriac Christianity.&quot;,&quot;photo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/88757687-7491-4323-99ce-7835866fd25c_298x298.png&quot;,&quot;is_guest&quot;:false,&quot;bestseller_tier&quot;:null}],&quot;post_date&quot;:&quot;2026-08-05T15:20:45.858Z&quot;,&quot;cover_image&quot;:&quot;https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!AYm0!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8b868aeb-056e-485e-b5e7-1ddcf8fbca0d_480x360.png&quot;,&quot;cover_image_alt&quot;:null,&quot;canonical_url&quot;:&quot;https://lucasscottroberts.substack.com/p/malachi-martin-semitic-language-expert&quot;,&quot;section_name&quot;:null,&quot;video_upload_id&quot;:null,&quot;id&quot;:209936843,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;newsletter&quot;,&quot;reaction_count&quot;:8,&quot;comment_count&quot;:2,&quot;publication_id&quot;:733317,&quot;publication_name&quot;:&quot;Cool, Calm and Catholic&quot;,&quot;publication_logo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!PmUX!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5c0d7aad-e869-4e2d-b773-37c08f8a1864_925x925.png&quot;,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:false,&quot;youtube_url&quot;:null,&quot;show_links&quot;:null,&quot;feed_url&quot;:null}"></div><p><span>If you&#8217;ve been reading my articles about Martin thus far, you might be wondering </span><em><span>&#8220;Wait, so what was the big deal about Malachi Martin anyway? Why do certain pockets of the online Catholic world get so uptight about him?&#8221;</span></em><span> </span></p><p><span>To adequately answer this I think we&#8217;ll need to examine how Martin was marketing himself later in his career. </span></p><h2 style="text-align: center;"><span>Windswept House aka a Fictional Story of How the Gates of Hell Prevailed Against the Church, But For Real</span></h2><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!5bbO!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fefeafd70-2bad-4cbe-bc43-7bcb5202f06a_667x1000.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!5bbO!, /__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/w_424, /__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/c_limit, 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8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">is that&#8230;a lurking Luciferian?!?!</figcaption></figure></div><p><span>I want to be clear; this is a novel, a work of fiction. But you need to understand that Martin wrote this fictional novel as a literary device to tell you about a deep, dark evil that happened in real life inside the Vatican. Don&#8217;t take my word for it; hear directly from the man himself:</span></p><div id="youtube2-9Td4uCcOKe0" class="youtube-wrap" data-attrs="{&quot;videoId&quot;:&quot;9Td4uCcOKe0&quot;,&quot;startTime&quot;:&quot;1152s&quot;,&quot;endTime&quot;:null}" data-component-name="Youtube2ToDOM"><div class="youtube-inner"><iframe src="https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/9Td4uCcOKe0?start=1152s&amp;rel=0&amp;autoplay=0&amp;showinfo=0&amp;enablejsapi=0" frameborder="0" loading="lazy" gesture="media" allow="autoplay; fullscreen" allowautoplay="true" allowfullscreen="true" width="728" height="409"></iframe></div></div><p><span>Bernard Janzen of Triumph Communications got to sit down with Malachi Martin and interview him about his newest book, &#8220;Windswept House&#8221;. According to Martin 85% of the personalities in the book are factual and 95% of the events are factual (Minute 1:49).</span></p><div class="subscription-widget-wrap-editor" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://lucasscottroberts.substack.com/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe&quot;,&quot;language&quot;:&quot;en&quot;}" data-component-name="SubscribeWidgetToDOM"><div class="subscription-widget show-subscribe"><div class="preamble"><p class="cta-caption">The Martin Demystification is not done yet, subscribe to stay tuned</p></div><form class="subscription-widget-subscribe"><input type="email" class="email-input" name="email" placeholder="Type your email&#8230;" tabindex="-1"><input type="submit" class="button primary" value="Subscribe"><div class="fake-input-wrapper"><div class="fake-input"></div><div class="fake-button"></div></div></form></div></div><p><span>As soon as Martin reveals his fact formula, Janzen immediately puts his cards on the table with an emphatic, &#8220;[The book] </span><strong><span>was realistic</span></strong><span>, because I know many families who have had their unity broken apart by </span><strong><span>the crisis in the Church</span></strong><span>&#8230;&#8221;</span></p><p style="text-align: center;"><em><strong><span>This is why Malachi Martin has such a loyal fanbase. He gave his traditionalist audience a narrative to help explain the current &#8220;crisis in the Church&#8221;.</span></strong></em></p><p><span>Listen to the entire interview  if you want, but some highlights worth fast forwarding too:</span></p><blockquote><p><span>17:38 Janzen asks about the opening scene of Windswept House, where a Luciferian Mass was conducted inside the Vatican to &#8220;</span><strong><span>consecrate, or enthrone Satan inside the Vatican&#8221;</span></strong><span>. Janzen asks point blank, &#8220;</span><strong><span>Now did that actually happen?&#8221;</span></strong><span> To which Martin coldly replies, </span><strong><span>&#8220;Yes, it is a historical fact.&#8221;</span></strong><span> It was conducted by people representing Luciferians from all over the world, &#8220;especially American Luciferians.&#8221;</span></p></blockquote><blockquote><p><span>28:50 Janzen asks about the undetected Luciferians inside the Church. Martin, &#8220;Prelates, priests, and nuns&#8230; have become members of covens. &#8220;I can&#8217;t tell you how shocking it is when you found out that a </span><strong><span>prelate is a member of a coven,  and worships Satan.</span></strong><span>&#8221;</span></p></blockquote><blockquote><p><span>49:18 The Luciferians had an </span><strong><span>IMMENSE influence on the Novus Ordo</span></strong><span>, an enormous influence.</span></p></blockquote><blockquote><p><span>56:30 ALL of the sacraments as they are currently practiced in the Catholic Church can be totally invalid.</span></p></blockquote><p><span>If you&#8217;re a sympathetic traditionalist scandalized by the current &#8220;crisis in the Church&#8221; but you&#8217;re wondering, how did this all come to be? How was the Catholic Church subverted? Martin offers an interesting and enthralling answer. And he was inside the Vatican during Vatican 2, so if anyone would know it would be him!</span></p><p><span>If you&#8217;re willing to overlook the absence of evidence that Martin has provided to substantiate his claims, then you can see how the above claims would be very convincing. </span></p><h1 style="text-align: center;"><span>Not Laicized, Secularized!</span></h1><p><span>In my earlier articles I demonstrated how Malachi Martin presented himself in the 1960s and 70s as a FORMER priest. Not just a former Jesuit, a man who left the priesthood altogether. Here&#8217;s his former boss William F. Buckley introducing Malachi Martin with </span><strong><span>&#8220;was a Jesuit priest&#8221;</span></strong><span> as late as 1980 (fast forward to minute 38:48):</span></p><div id="youtube2-ERPQaQ1Gn5U" class="youtube-wrap" data-attrs="{&quot;videoId&quot;:&quot;ERPQaQ1Gn5U&quot;,&quot;startTime&quot;:null,&quot;endTime&quot;:null}" data-component-name="Youtube2ToDOM"><div class="youtube-inner"><iframe src="https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/ERPQaQ1Gn5U?rel=0&amp;autoplay=0&amp;showinfo=0&amp;enablejsapi=0" frameborder="0" loading="lazy" gesture="media" allow="autoplay; fullscreen" allowautoplay="true" allowfullscreen="true" width="728" height="409"></iframe></div></div><p><span>From 1964 - 1980, we have Martin telling people he was no longer a priest or he allows himself to be introduced as a former priest. Buckley was Martin&#8217;s employer for 6 years. Surely he would have known about Martin&#8217;s priestly status.</span></p><p><span>In 1990 Martin started telling a different story about his status as a priest. In an interview with Bernard Janzen again Martin explains how he was originally trained to study middle eastern handwriting from &#8220;about the time of Abraham&#8221;. This training proved useful to Pope John XXIII for&#8230;some reason.</span></p><div id="youtube2-qS9Tg7bPBhE" class="youtube-wrap" data-attrs="{&quot;videoId&quot;:&quot;qS9Tg7bPBhE&quot;,&quot;startTime&quot;:null,&quot;endTime&quot;:null}" data-component-name="Youtube2ToDOM"><div class="youtube-inner"><iframe src="https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/qS9Tg7bPBhE?rel=0&amp;autoplay=0&amp;showinfo=0&amp;enablejsapi=0" frameborder="0" loading="lazy" gesture="media" allow="autoplay; fullscreen" allowautoplay="true" allowfullscreen="true" width="728" height="409"></iframe></div></div><p><span>He had already asked for his superior&#8217;s permission to leave the Jesuits, then in 1964 Pope Paul VI granted him permission to&#8230;.here I&#8217;ll let Martin explain:</span></p><div class="pullquote"><p><span>&#8220;He (Pope Paul VI) gave me permission to leave the Society of Jesus and he </span><strong><span>secularized me that is&#8230;I didn&#8217;t want to be a laicized</span></strong><span>, I want to be secularized, that is I didn&#8217;t want to be under a bishop incardinated in a diocese, I didn&#8217;t want to belong to a religious order, I didn&#8217;t want to join Opus Dei, the only three alternatives for a clergyman for a priest in the Catholic Church </span><strong><span>so he granted me that and gave me a general commission to write and to be active</span></strong><span> in the field of communications about the church&#8230;</span></p><p><strong><span>&#8230;I&#8217;m a Catholic priest.&#8221;</span></strong></p></div><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!bZMi!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fafb02917-23da-4521-8b74-2eb1b482961b_395x398.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" 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4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">If I&#8217;m not a priest, then why would I be wearing this cassock?</figcaption></figure></div><p><span>Let&#8217;s get this straight; according to Malachi Martin he was secularized, not laicized, which&#8230;look I&#8217;m no canon lawyer, but I haven&#8217;t found anything online that confirms that secularized priests are even a thing.</span></p><p><span>And he got a dispensation from the Pope?! Let me ask; has anyone seen Pope Paul&#8217;s VI&#8217;s signature on ANY document conferring a secularized status to Malachi Martin? Or anyone for that matter? Are there other secularized priests offering mass, exorcising demons, all without a diocesan bishop to report too?</span></p><h2 style="text-align: center;"><span>Hard Questions That Were Never Asked</span></h2><p><span> Are we to believe without any verifiable evidence that:</span></p><ul><li><p><span>A Luciferian mass was conducted during Vatican 2 to enthrone Satan?</span></p><ul><li><p><strong><span>Why hasn&#8217;t any Luciferian blown the lid off of this?</span></strong><span> Wouldn&#8217;t you expect them to at least gloat about defeating the Catholic Church? If you&#8217;re an American Luciferian and you just got back from Rome after helping out with the black mass that coronated the dark lord, how long would you stay silent on that? </span><strong><span>Wouldn&#8217;t SOMEBODY spill the beans eventually?</span></strong></p></li><li><p><span>What extrinsic evidence exists about the &#8220;historical fact&#8221; of the Luciferian mass? Are we really supposed to take Malachi Martin&#8217;s word alone?</span></p></li><li><p><span>Martin supposedly saw this happen in 1963 or so, then published about it in 1996, 33 years later. </span><strong><span>Why did he wait so long to talk about it?</span></strong></p></li></ul></li><li><p><span>When he was presenting himself as laicized from 1964-1980, was he actually secularized instead of laicized?</span></p><ul><li><p><span>Where is &#8220;secularized priest&#8221; within canon law?</span></p></li><li><p><strong><span>Why did he tell everyone he was not traditional, not a priest for 16 years</span></strong><span>, then flip and claim to retain his priesthood AND he was traditional?</span></p></li><li><p><span>If Martin changed to a traditional priest, then </span><strong><span>why didn&#8217;t he ever address his heretical liberal past?</span></strong></p></li><li><p><span>If Martin wasn&#8217;t actually traditional in 1964, then why did he leave Rome?</span></p></li></ul></li><li><p>Martin became Pope John XXIII&#8217;s confidant because of his ability to read Middle Eastern handwriting from thousands of years ago?</p><ul><li><p>Why was this skill so necessary to Pope John XXIII?</p></li><li><p>Was there no one else inside the Vatican who had this elite skill? How did the Vatican correspond with their Middle Eastern churches then?</p></li><li><p>Middle Eastern handwriting was basically the same from antiquity to the 1960s?</p></li></ul></li></ul><p><span>If anyone genuinely asked themselves these questions they would strongly reconsider taking Malachi Martin at his word. All of his fantastical claims are just that, claims. He never produced a document from Pope Paul VI conferring his &#8220;Secularized&#8221; status. He&#8217;s not produced any documents or photos of the Vatican black mass, or any correspondence between these &#8220;Luciferian Catholic priests&#8221; and their satanic counterparts. Martin makes claims, and &#8220;journalists&#8221; like Bernard Janzen just believe him.</span></p><p><span>I haven&#8217;t come across anything that proves conclusively that Martin was a Mossad agent, but nor have I seen anything that suggests that Martin&#8217;s claims were legitimate, if for no other reason because he made different contradicting claims over the years. He wasn&#8217;t a priest from 1964 - 1980, and then he was a priest, albeit a &#8220;secularized&#8221; one?. A priestly status that is inexplicably absent from canon law. </span></p><p>When considering Malachi Martin, you don&#8217;t have to choose between Mossad or Traditionalist. You can appraise all of Martin&#8217;s contradictory claims and rightly conclude; dude liked to lie. </p><div class="captioned-button-wrap" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://lucasscottroberts.substack.com/p/demystifying-the-malachi-martin-mythos?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email&utm_content=share&action=share&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Share&quot;}" data-component-name="CaptionedButtonToDOM"><div class="preamble"><p class="cta-caption">Share with someone you know is curious about Malachi Martin</p></div><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://lucasscottroberts.substack.com/p/demystifying-the-malachi-martin-mythos?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email&utm_content=share&action=share&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Share&quot;}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="/__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/p/demystifying-the-malachi-martin-mythos?utm_source=substack&amp;utm_medium=email&amp;utm_content=share&amp;action=share"><span>Share</span></a></p></div><p></p>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Malachi Martin, Semitic Language Expert Turned…Exorcist?]]></title><description><![CDATA[How does a trained linguist become a demonologist?]]></description><link>https://lucasscottroberts.substack.com/p/malachi-martin-semitic-language-expert</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://lucasscottroberts.substack.com/p/malachi-martin-semitic-language-expert</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Lucas Scott Roberts]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2026 15:20:45 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!AYm0!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8b868aeb-056e-485e-b5e7-1ddcf8fbca0d_480x360.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="callout-block" data-callout="true"><p>***IF YOU&#8217;RE READING THIS ON EMAIL, PLEASE GO TO THE SUBSTACK WEBSITE TO GET THE FULL ARTICLE***</p><p>(This article is a bit longer, and emails providers will typically truncate long emails. Please read the entire thing on the Substack website)</p></div><p><span>Before Martin&#8217;s career as a staunch defender of traditional Catholicism, he wrote some pretty liberal books that, if his traditionalist fans were to read they might have to reconsider their admiration for him.</span></p><p><span>This is the third article I&#8217;ve written on Malachi Martin&#8217;s earlier pop non fiction books. My first article was about Martin&#8217;s insistence that he was not traditional at all. He actually worked WITH the liberals to impose non-traditional Catholicism at Vatican 2:</span></p><div class="digest-post-embed" data-attrs="{&quot;nodeId&quot;:&quot;1c0812c5-de2b-41b3-9a51-f5faf21b7cf7&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;If you&#8217;re an online Catholic and you see Vatican 2 come up in your timeline, inevitably you see wild conspiracy theories about how this ecumenical council went down.&quot;,&quot;cta&quot;:null,&quot;showBylines&quot;:true,&quot;showDescription&quot;:true,&quot;showImage&quot;:true,&quot;size&quot;:&quot;lg&quot;,&quot;isEditorNode&quot;:true,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&#8220;I&#8217;m not traditional,&#8221; said Malachi Martin.&quot;,&quot;publishedBylines&quot;:[{&quot;id&quot;:12112590,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Lucas Scott Roberts&quot;,&quot;bio&quot;:&quot;Recovering Libertarian. Insurance Broker and a Maronite Catholic. Ask me about Claims Made coverages and Syriac Christianity.&quot;,&quot;photo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/88757687-7491-4323-99ce-7835866fd25c_298x298.png&quot;,&quot;is_guest&quot;:false,&quot;bestseller_tier&quot;:null}],&quot;post_date&quot;:&quot;2026-07-24T12:26:07.937Z&quot;,&quot;cover_image&quot;:&quot;https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!w7dw!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F00f1e3de-1c8f-4104-8854-99f627bd4ad0_1024x1392.jpeg&quot;,&quot;cover_image_alt&quot;:null,&quot;canonical_url&quot;:&quot;https://lucasscottroberts.substack.com/p/im-not-traditional-said-malachi-martin&quot;,&quot;section_name&quot;:null,&quot;video_upload_id&quot;:null,&quot;id&quot;:208324332,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;newsletter&quot;,&quot;reaction_count&quot;:9,&quot;comment_count&quot;:1,&quot;publication_id&quot;:733317,&quot;publication_name&quot;:&quot;Cool, Calm and Catholic&quot;,&quot;publication_logo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!PmUX!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5c0d7aad-e869-4e2d-b773-37c08f8a1864_925x925.png&quot;,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:false,&quot;youtube_url&quot;:null,&quot;show_links&quot;:null,&quot;feed_url&quot;:null}"></div><p><span>The second article looked at how Malachi Martin&#8217;s fingerprints were all over a fake Papal prayer that is still cited both by &#8220;radtrad&#8221; Catholics and ecumenical Jews:</span></p><div class="digest-post-embed" data-attrs="{&quot;nodeId&quot;:&quot;2fb6850b-d4c4-4011-aeb5-a0b7f6ff8236&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;When a Vatican insider tells the world that:&quot;,&quot;cta&quot;:null,&quot;showBylines&quot;:true,&quot;showDescription&quot;:true,&quot;showImage&quot;:true,&quot;size&quot;:&quot;lg&quot;,&quot;isEditorNode&quot;:true,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;The Papal Prayer That Never Was&quot;,&quot;publishedBylines&quot;:[{&quot;id&quot;:12112590,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Lucas Scott Roberts&quot;,&quot;bio&quot;:&quot;Recovering Libertarian. Insurance Broker and a Maronite Catholic. Ask me about Claims Made coverages and Syriac Christianity.&quot;,&quot;photo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/88757687-7491-4323-99ce-7835866fd25c_298x298.png&quot;,&quot;is_guest&quot;:false,&quot;bestseller_tier&quot;:null}],&quot;post_date&quot;:&quot;2026-07-28T15:33:17.431Z&quot;,&quot;cover_image&quot;:&quot;https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!JzAF!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7811cedb-ebf3-4a1f-85be-7b0ae4f01406_500x500.png&quot;,&quot;cover_image_alt&quot;:null,&quot;canonical_url&quot;:&quot;https://lucasscottroberts.substack.com/p/the-papal-prayer-that-never-was&quot;,&quot;section_name&quot;:null,&quot;video_upload_id&quot;:null,&quot;id&quot;:208846919,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;newsletter&quot;,&quot;reaction_count&quot;:5,&quot;comment_count&quot;:2,&quot;publication_id&quot;:733317,&quot;publication_name&quot;:&quot;Cool, Calm and Catholic&quot;,&quot;publication_logo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!PmUX!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5c0d7aad-e869-4e2d-b773-37c08f8a1864_925x925.png&quot;,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:false,&quot;youtube_url&quot;:null,&quot;show_links&quot;:null,&quot;feed_url&quot;:null}"></div><p><span>In this article we&#8217;ll look at Malachi Martin&#8217;s works leading up to his breakout as an exorcism expert in 1976. It&#8217;s important to remember that according to the Malachi Martin Mythos, Martin was a traditional Catholic priest who was horrified by the liberal excesses of Vatican 2. His conscience was so severely pricked that he left Rome, hung up his Jesuit orders and set about America to warn traditional Catholics everywhere that Vatican 2 had compromised the gospel and the entire Catholic Church&#8217;s hierarchy.</span></p><div class="subscription-widget-wrap-editor" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://lucasscottroberts.substack.com/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe&quot;,&quot;language&quot;:&quot;en&quot;}" data-component-name="SubscribeWidgetToDOM"><div class="subscription-widget show-subscribe"><div class="preamble"><p class="cta-caption">Here&#8217;s article #3, subscribe for future articles</p></div><form class="subscription-widget-subscribe"><input type="email" class="email-input" name="email" placeholder="Type your email&#8230;" tabindex="-1"><input type="submit" class="button primary" value="Subscribe"><div class="fake-input-wrapper"><div class="fake-input"></div><div class="fake-button"></div></div></form></div></div><p><span>My first 2 articles should demonstrate that this traditionalist prophet motif was NOT how Martin was originally presenting himself. I do not as of yet have a definitive answer for why Martin recused himself from Vatican 2 in 1964, but the evidence is firmly against the notion that he was traditional. His writing from 1964-1976 were anything but.</span></p><p><span>Martin&#8217;s corpus leading up to 1976 consists of:</span></p><ul><li><p><span>The Pilgrim, 1964 (published under the pseudonym Michael Serafian)</span></p></li><li><p><span>The Encounter, 1969</span></p></li><li><p><span>Three Popes and the Cardinal, 1972</span></p></li><li><p><span>Jesus Now, 1973</span></p></li><li><p><span>The New Castle, 1974</span></p></li><li><p><span>Hostage to the Devil,  1976</span></p></li></ul><p><span>Please keep in mind; Malachi Martin has 12 whole years to come out to the world as a traditional Catholic. We&#8217;ll examine how his books were received in turn. If Martin was ringing the traditionalist warning bell, surely someone got the message.</span></p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!AYm0!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8b868aeb-056e-485e-b5e7-1ddcf8fbca0d_480x360.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!AYm0!, /__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/w_424, /__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/c_limit, /__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/f_webp, /__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/q_auto:good, /__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8b868aeb-056e-485e-b5e7-1ddcf8fbca0d_480x360.png 424w, /__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!AYm0!, 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4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><h2><span>The Pilgrim, Much Ado About Nothing.</span></h2><p><span>In my second article, &#8220;</span><a href="/__u/open.substack.com/pub/lucasscottroberts/p/the-papal-prayer-that-never-was?r=77m4u&amp;utm_campaign=post-expanded-share&amp;utm_medium=web"><span>The Papal Prayer That Never Was</span></a><span>&#8221;, I cited a book review of &#8220;The Pilgrim&#8221; from The Pittsburgh Catholic, &#8220;America&#8217;s oldest Catholic newspaper in continuous publication.&#8221; Remember, Martin wrote this book under a pseudonym. The reviewer noted how &#8220;The Pilgrim&#8221; was yet another anonymous account from a Vatican insider. Unfortunately for Martin, Vatican 2 insider exposes had a sort of cottage industry in the early 1960s so it was hard for his book to stand out. The reviewer did not find &#8220;The Pilgrim&#8221; contained anything overtly scandalous or revealing to note.</span></p><p><span>Also worth mentioning that Martin came across as a liberal to this Catholic Book reviewer, </span><em><span>&#8220;Michael Serafian is that most intolerant of persona, the doctrinaire liberal.&#8221;</span></em></p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!6MQY!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F63936dbc-ea0f-41bc-a712-dac9df39c5d5_619x948.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!6MQY!, /__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/w_424, /__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/c_limit, /__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/f_webp, /__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/q_auto:good, 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class="image-caption">The Holocaust was the &#8220;logical consequence&#8221; of the &#8220;normal Christian attitude to the Jews&#8221;?</figcaption></figure></div><p><span>I won&#8217;t rehash everything we touched on in the previous article, but it&#8217;s worth noting that the author 1) caught Martin getting basic facts wrong and 2) said his book was a &#8220;curiosity which should not be taken seriously&#8221;.</span></p><h1><span>God is Dead, and Religion Dying</span></h1><p><span>That&#8217;s the actual title of a </span><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/1970/04/19/archives/god-is-dead-and-religion-dying-the-encounter.html"><span>book review of Martin&#8217;s next work</span></a><span>, &#8220;The Encounter, Religions in Crisis&#8221;.</span></p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" 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4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">A FORMER Jesuit priest, you say&#8230;.</figcaption></figure></div><p><span>Malachi Martin got a grant from The Harry Frank Guggenheim Foundation, a group whose founder was convinced that: </span></p><div class="callout-block" data-callout="true"><p><span>&#8220;The </span><strong><span>great prophets of all religions</span></strong><span> have preached gospels with </span><strong><span>much in common</span></strong><span>&#8230;the </span><strong><span>apostles</span></strong><span> of the prophets have created religious sects </span><strong><span>dividing mankind</span></strong><span>&#8230;&#8221;</span></p></div><p><span>Oh great, a religious indifferentism thinktank. Wait, why was Martin writing for them?</span></p><p><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/1970/04/19/archives/god-is-dead-and-religion-dying-the-encounter.html"><span>The reviewer from the New York Times</span></a><span> notes how Martin argues that Christianity, Judaism and Islam are all inadequate to meet the needs of the modern man, a &#8220;rerun of a now familiar theme&#8221;. Even in 1970 people were getting tired of religious indifferentism?</span></p><h1><span>Three Popes and the Cardinal</span></h1><p><span>Alright, here&#8217;s where Martin FINALLY starts bringing out his true Trad colors, right? This is the book where he blows the lid off of the liberal conspiracy against Holy Mother Church, right? Right?!</span></p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!h4u6!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff8f819f2-f53d-45d9-a3e0-8bbb5cc87940_1041x779.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!h4u6!, /__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/w_424, /__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/c_limit, /__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/f_webp, /__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/q_auto:good, /__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff8f819f2-f53d-45d9-a3e0-8bbb5cc87940_1041x779.png 424w, /__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!h4u6!, /__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/w_848, /__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/c_limit, 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8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">The Shock, the Awe!</figcaption></figure></div><p><span>Probably the MOST important book of the year, Martin Greif? Do tell! This probably fills in gaps that Martin had to leave in &#8220;The Pilgrim&#8221;. The reason &#8220;The Pilgrim&#8221; was so underwhelming was because Martin couldn&#8217;t blow his cover. NOW he can tell us everything we need to know, that the Vatican has fallen!</span></p><p><span>Interestingly this work </span><a href="https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/church-history/article/abs/three-popes-and-the-cardinal-by-malachi-martin-new-york-farrar-straus-and-giroux-1972-xiv-300-pp-795/E82820CCDE1FCBD080D477F9C3E98C94"><span>got a review in Church History</span></a><span>, the peer-reviewed journal of the American Society of Church History, from Walter F. Wolbrecht. And right away Wolbrecht smells a problem. On page 46 Martin notes that he didn&#8217;t write this book to be straight history, for &#8220;history is by necessity interpretative&#8221;, and is not &#8220;an exact chronicling of events&#8230;&#8221; This explains how, like the reviewer of &#8220;the Pilgrim&#8221; noted, Martin consistently gets facts wrong. According to this work Cardinal Bea spent 43 years of his life in Germany, then somehow spent 6 years in Holland and Austria before he&#8217;s 31 or 32?</span></p><p><span>Beyond that, Wolbrecht was equally skeptical of Martin&#8217;s insistence that Cardinal Bea was the lone mastermind who pushed the entire Vatican into making major liberal changes. </span><strong><span>Please remember this point</span></strong><span>; later Martin would insist that the majority of the Catholic hierarchy was complicit in apostatizing from the true Catholic faith (a claim he would make over and over again during his promotion of &#8220;Windswept House&#8221;, 1996), </span><strong><span>yet in 1972 he was telling a different story.</span></strong><span> A single Cardinal was able to strategically pull all the strings to initiate the liberal changes the council ended up enacting.</span></p><p><span>While on the one hand you can say that Martin always talked about the Church being compromised by liberals, he failed to tell a consistent story about how that actually came about. In 1996 he was saying the majority of the Catholic hierarchy went along with apostasy, but in 1972 Martin said the majority of the Catholic Hierarchy was hoodwinked by a single wily Jesuit bishop.</span></p><p>Also, <strong>the destruction of the Catholic Church by the year 2000 was imminent? </strong>(Per the book cover)</p><p><span>It&#8217;s 1972, and we still haven&#8217;t found Martin&#8217;s later origin story evolving in any of these works.</span></p><h1><span>Jesus You, Jesus Everyone, Jesus Now</span></h1><p><span>Of all the books we&#8217;ve reviewed thus far, this one is the most absurd in its liberal convictions. </span><a href="https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/001452467508601001"><span>One reviewer was quite baffled</span></a><span> at Martin&#8217;s assertion that there&#8217;s no hope of recovering a true, historical and factual Jesus.</span></p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" 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y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p><span>I found the book quite jarring as someone who was reading it looking for any traditional convictions that Martin may have had. If you take the stance that Martin had to write more liberal leaning stuff in his early career before he could come out as a traditionalist&#8230;, well that explains &#8220;The Pilgrim&#8221; and &#8220;The Encounter&#8221; to a certain degree. But that&#8217;s only if you buy the &#8220;he HAD to write liberal trite at the beginning!&#8221;, which I&#8217;m not sure that I do. &#8220;Jesus Now&#8221; stands as another strike against the notion that Martin was a traditionalist hiding in plain sight. Why was he publishing this trash 9 years after he left the Vatican?</span></p><p><span>Let me take you towards the end of the book to demonstrate. Chapter 29 (The New Mime of Destiny&#8221;, here is where Martin explores how man gropes for universal truth to fulfil deep-seated desires of transcendentness. Science is inadequate to answer these questions, and while science can examine the brain and its thought waves the mind operates outside of these waves, &#8220;bent on discovering the eternal complex.&#8221;(page 260) Does this groping for the eternal complex lead to Jesus Christ?</span></p><div class="pullquote"><p><em><span>The mind can come to the mystery. Like a Lazarus emergent from a tomb of darksome facts and doings, </span><strong><span>called by the voice of our Lord Universe</span></strong><span>, my head too dead to sound, my arms as useless branches lashed to my body, my throat parched peppery, stumbling and falling forth in a shroud, wailing with a cry to the rediscovered light and the birds of the living air, having my eyes uncovered by my sisters, and </span><strong><span>looking on my cosmic Christ force</span></strong><span>, as a quiet spring in all the dryness. But, like all miracles of my new being as a modern man, its purpose is to bend me beyond only bones and break my heart to some new and permanent hope, the substance of being human.</span></em></p></div><p><span>Cosmic Christ force?</span></p><p><span>Anyways, when can we know our mind has surpassed our brain?</span></p><div class="pullquote"><p><em><span>It comes, perhaps, after a good meal, a </span><strong><span>satisfactory bowel movement</span></strong><span>, or a </span><strong><span>needed orgasm</span></strong><span>; with a first long pull on a favored cigar after dining on filet mignon and a fine Beaujolais; at </span><strong><span>the bottom of an isolation tank</span></strong><span> soundless, sight-less, smell-less, feeling-less; </span><strong><span>during an LSD trip</span></strong><span>. It is the afterglow of a searing beauty seen in in flowers, within a woman&#8217;s eyes, or just before the dawn twilight.</span></em></p></div><p><span>Please go on, Mr. Martin, what happens after I&#8217;ve had one of these experiences?</span></p><div class="pullquote"><p><em><span>The next moment: all becomes absorbed in a future that has been hovering in the air with shrouded wings long before man arose along the ladder of evolution. All suspense is gone. Intolerable waiting is ended. There is no more endless rising and falling of waves in my mortality. </span><strong><span>Now I can feverishly lick the anus of the deepest Hell conceivable, or I can gaze rapturously into the innards of the eternal godhead.</span></strong></em></p></div><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Pt2o!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F74c3654a-9189-4237-b561-8d72d5fd8fb5_698x614.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Pt2o!, /__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/w_424, /__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/c_limit, /__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/f_webp, /__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/q_auto:good, 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for a second: what self respecting Catholic writes this garbage?</span></p><h1><span>Jesus Now Take 2</span></h1><p><span>In 1974 Martin publishes ANOTHER book about man transcending himself.</span></p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!5kaB!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc3d77ef5-3777-43aa-866a-a5ccfe4d8805_634x1000.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!5kaB!, /__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/w_424, /__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/c_limit, /__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/f_webp, /__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/q_auto:good, 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&#8220;Jesus Now&#8221;, we have ANOTHER book about religious indifferentism. The reviewer notes that: </span></p><div class="callout-block" data-callout="true"><p><span>the book is agreeable and forthright -- at times even imaginative and eloquent -- but some readers will find this old hat.</span></p></div><p><span>Even religious liberals were finding Martin&#8217;s work a little tired and boring. No sign of Martin&#8217;s latent traditional Catholicism bubbling under the surface in this work either.</span></p><h1><span>When Exorcisms Went Viral</span></h1><p><span>If we go to 1976, we&#8217;ll see Martin has switched literary genres entirely.</span></p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!28dV!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc61225b0-bb89-4203-9f8b-7865ff60cc6a_1340x2000.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!28dV!, /__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/w_424, /__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/c_limit, /__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/f_webp, /__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/q_auto:good, 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expert?</span></p><p><span>It&#8217;s worth noting that when Martin published this book America was experiencing a deep interest in exorcism thanks to William Peter Blatty&#8217;s book &#8220;The Exorcist&#8221; (1971) and the movie by the same title (1973). Martin&#8217;s book was also published the same year as the the movie &#8220;The Omen&#8221; in 1976, something Martin&#8217;s publishers did not want you to forget.</span></p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!BvuK!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F26269883-052e-43a1-b868-c94809bd2daa_248x400.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!BvuK!, /__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/w_424, /__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/c_limit, /__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/f_webp, /__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/q_auto:good, /__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F26269883-052e-43a1-b868-c94809bd2daa_248x400.png 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4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">An actual 1977 book cover for &#8220;Hostage to the Devil&#8221;</figcaption></figure></div><p><span>I&#8217;m not going to dive deeper into this work. I&#8217;ll only quickly note that the concept of &#8220;perfect possession&#8221;, a term Martin coined in this book where someone is wholly and totally demon possessed and does not have the capacity to have their demon exorcised, is a novel concept with no basis in traditional Catholic teaching or demonology.</span></p><p><span>It&#8217;s also worth noting that </span><a href="https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1999-jul-31-mn-61430-story.html"><span>William Peter Blatty hated Martin&#8217;s book</span></a><span>, saying &#8220;it gives possession a bad name.&#8221;</span></p><h1><span>Real Malachi Martin Please Stand Up?</span></h1><p><span>Anyone who honestly appraises Malachi Martin&#8217;s published works and interviews from 1964 - 1976, you could not conclude that this was a traditional Catholic priest by any stretch of the imagination. And yet you will still find traditional Catholics, Sedevacantists, SPPXers all singing Martin&#8217;s praises as a man ahead of his time, a prophet, someone who saw the coming liberal wave and in vain warned the Church about it. Go on Youtube and pull up any of Malachi Martin&#8217;s interviews. Scroll down to the comments:</span></p><div class="callout-block" data-callout="true"><p><span>&#8220;Father Martin was prophetic. God rest his Soul.&#8221;</span></p></div><div class="callout-block" data-callout="true"><p><span>&#8220;this priest was trying to warn us.................&#8221;</span></p></div><div class="callout-block" data-callout="true"><p><span>&#8220;I&#8217;m listening to this six days before the SSPX consecrates 4 new bishops without papal permission, once again. </span><strong><span>I understand now why they&#8217;re doing so</span></strong><span> and pray for an end to this crisis. God bless Fr Malachi Martin and the SSPX.&#8221;</span></p></div><div class="callout-block" data-callout="true"><p><span>&#8220;I used to love to listen to Father Malachi Martin when he was on Art Bell.  Then I found YouTube and heard the Jansen tapes and later bought several of Martin&#8217;s books online.         It&#8217;s interesting to note that h</span><strong><span>e displayed great courage in revealing the truth about the Vatican from his perspective as an insider and a counselor to 3 popes</span></strong><span>.  Sadly, he died under mysterious circumstances and I for one believe it wasn&#8217;t a natural death.  God bless him!  Pray for us, Father Malachi.&#8221;</span></p></div><p><span>Are any of these commenters aware of Martin&#8217;s early works or his inability to get basic facts straight? And yet they&#8217;re relying SOLELY on his testimony to decide that the entire Roman Catholic Church hierarchy has apostatized from the Christian faith.</span></p><p><span>Even the staunchest Martin fanboy would have to concede that Martin was not prophesying to the traditionalists in the 60&#8217;s and 70&#8217;s, nor was his work reflective of someone with traditional Catholic convictions. I really appreciated this comment from one </span><a href="https://booksrun.com/9780525040125-new-castle-reaching-for-the-future"><span>Malachi Martin fan who actually read</span></a><span> one of Martin&#8217;s liberal books, &#8220;The New Castle&#8221; and offered the most reasonable explanation as someone who insists that Martin was reliable and true:</span></p><div class="callout-block" data-callout="true"><p><span>&#8220;</span><strong><span>Written in his heretical days</span></strong><span>, this work will have you falling on your knees in thanksgiving that Malachi Martin SJ turned his talents towards Truth, Beauty, and Goodness before the end. </span><strong><span>Though fraught with the inconsistencies of modernism</span></strong><span>, the writing is a thing of beauty, and the historical merit of the book is indisputable.&#8221;</span></p></div><p><span>Honestly, the above is one of the two conclusions you must draw when you read Martin&#8217;s early works. Either he was an actual heretic promoting heresy up through 1974 OR he was a liar.</span></p><p><span>I&#8217;ll let you draw what you believe to be the most reasonable conclusion.</span></p><div class="captioned-button-wrap" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://lucasscottroberts.substack.com/p/malachi-martin-semitic-language-expert?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email&utm_content=share&action=share&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Share&quot;}" data-component-name="CaptionedButtonToDOM"><div class="preamble"><p class="cta-caption">Know a Malachi Martin fan? Share so they get the full picture of Martin&#8217;s entire body of work</p></div><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://lucasscottroberts.substack.com/p/malachi-martin-semitic-language-expert?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email&utm_content=share&action=share&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Share&quot;}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="/__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/p/malachi-martin-semitic-language-expert?utm_source=substack&amp;utm_medium=email&amp;utm_content=share&amp;action=share"><span>Share</span></a></p></div><p></p>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[The Papal Prayer That Never Was]]></title><description><![CDATA[And the man who actually penned it.]]></description><link>https://lucasscottroberts.substack.com/p/the-papal-prayer-that-never-was</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://lucasscottroberts.substack.com/p/the-papal-prayer-that-never-was</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Lucas Scott Roberts]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2026 15:33:17 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!JzAF!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7811cedb-ebf3-4a1f-85be-7b0ae4f01406_500x500.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span>When a Vatican insider tells the world that:</span></p><ul><li><p><span>Liberals have captured the Catholic Church</span></p></li><li><p><span>This takeover prompted him to leave Rome due to his traditional conscience</span></p></li></ul><p><span>Then you would expect his written publications from that era to reflect that traditional conscience. But as we examined in my first article, Malachi Martin, who abruptly left the Vatican in 1964, was not presenting him as traditional at all.</span></p><div class="digest-post-embed" data-attrs="{&quot;nodeId&quot;:&quot;17e62bb2-c2ad-41dc-9a5e-3d4530b24454&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;If you&#8217;re an online Catholic and you see Vatican 2 come up in your timeline, inevitably you see wild conspiracy theories about how this ecumenical council went down.&quot;,&quot;cta&quot;:null,&quot;showBylines&quot;:true,&quot;showDescription&quot;:true,&quot;showImage&quot;:true,&quot;size&quot;:&quot;lg&quot;,&quot;isEditorNode&quot;:true,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&#8220;I&#8217;m not traditional,&#8221; said Malachi Martin.&quot;,&quot;publishedBylines&quot;:[{&quot;id&quot;:12112590,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Lucas Scott Roberts&quot;,&quot;bio&quot;:&quot;Recovering Libertarian. Insurance Broker and a Maronite Catholic. Ask me about Claims Made coverages and Syriac Christianity.&quot;,&quot;photo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/88757687-7491-4323-99ce-7835866fd25c_298x298.png&quot;,&quot;is_guest&quot;:false,&quot;bestseller_tier&quot;:null}],&quot;post_date&quot;:&quot;2026-07-24T12:26:07.937Z&quot;,&quot;cover_image&quot;:&quot;https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!w7dw!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F00f1e3de-1c8f-4104-8854-99f627bd4ad0_1024x1392.jpeg&quot;,&quot;cover_image_alt&quot;:null,&quot;canonical_url&quot;:&quot;https://lucasscottroberts.substack.com/p/im-not-traditional-said-malachi-martin&quot;,&quot;section_name&quot;:null,&quot;video_upload_id&quot;:null,&quot;id&quot;:208324332,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;newsletter&quot;,&quot;reaction_count&quot;:3,&quot;comment_count&quot;:1,&quot;publication_id&quot;:733317,&quot;publication_name&quot;:&quot;Cool, Calm and Catholic&quot;,&quot;publication_logo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!PmUX!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5c0d7aad-e869-4e2d-b773-37c08f8a1864_925x925.png&quot;,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:false,&quot;youtube_url&quot;:null,&quot;show_links&quot;:null,&quot;feed_url&quot;:null}"></div><p><span>For these next articles we&#8217;ll continue to examine Martin&#8217;s earlier work and see how it contrasts with the self image he espoused in the 1980s and 90s. Within traditional Catholicism there&#8217;s an affinity, a deep admiration for Malachi Martin and his work. For them, Martin was the bellwether, the prophet who foretold the doom of the post Vatican 2 church.</span></p><div class="subscription-widget-wrap-editor" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://lucasscottroberts.substack.com/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe&quot;,&quot;language&quot;:&quot;en&quot;}" data-component-name="SubscribeWidgetToDOM"><div class="subscription-widget show-subscribe"><div class="preamble"><p class="cta-caption">Subscribe to get new Malachi Martin articles hot off the press</p></div><form class="subscription-widget-subscribe"><input type="email" class="email-input" name="email" placeholder="Type your email&#8230;" tabindex="-1"><input type="submit" class="button primary" value="Subscribe"><div class="fake-input-wrapper"><div class="fake-input"></div><div class="fake-button"></div></div></form></div></div><p><span>But if that&#8217;s true, that Malachi Martin was a deeply convicted traditional Catholic priest, then why does his publications from that time appear so&#8230;liberal?</span></p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!JzAF!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7811cedb-ebf3-4a1f-85be-7b0ae4f01406_500x500.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!JzAF!, /__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/w_424, /__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/c_limit, /__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/f_webp, /__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/q_auto:good, /__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7811cedb-ebf3-4a1f-85be-7b0ae4f01406_500x500.png 424w, /__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!JzAF!, /__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/w_848, 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/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!JzAF!, /__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/w_1456, /__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/c_limit, /__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/f_auto, /__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/q_auto:good, /__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7811cedb-ebf3-4a1f-85be-7b0ae4f01406_500x500.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" fetchpriority="high"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><h4><span>Malachi Martin the Secret Agent</span></h4><p><span>Martin&#8217;s first major publication came in 1964 under a book entitled, &#8220;The Pilgrim&#8221;. He wrote this under the pseudonym Michael Serafian. It was marketed as an insider account from a Vatican diplomat, although a review in 1964 from a Catholic publication found the book left much to be desired, and certainly not a book written by a traditional Catholic</span><a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-1" href="#footnote-1" target="_self">1</a><span>:</span></p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_ZQp!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fcb513c90-1c2e-412e-8b85-3d1b49bcec59_785x1140.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_ZQp!, /__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/w_424, /__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/c_limit, /__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/f_webp, 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1272w, /__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_ZQp!, /__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/w_1456, /__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/c_limit, /__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/f_auto, /__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/q_auto:good, /__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fcb513c90-1c2e-412e-8b85-3d1b49bcec59_785x1140.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p><span>Some highlights from this review:</span></p><ul><li><p><span>The book is more of a liberal&#8217;s wish list of what the Catholic Church should be, not an insider&#8217;s account of the the goings on inside the Second Vatican Council</span></p></li><li><p><span>The council will rise or fall based on&#8230;&#8221;the statement on the relationship between the Church and the Jews&#8221;?</span></p></li><li><p><span>This &#8220;diplomat&#8221; isn&#8217;t too worried about facts:</span></p><ul><li><p><span>Says Cardinal Bea pressured an American cardinal to explain to the council that the structure of the Pope was an innovation, that originally the Church had been governed by a system of patriarchs. That conversation never happened.</span></p></li><li><p><span>Says Swiss theologian Hans Kung was German 3 times.</span></p></li><li><p><span>Says the city of Strasbourg was German, not French</span></p></li></ul></li></ul><p><span>My own reading of Malachi Martin&#8217;s &#8220;The Pilgrim&#8221; is that it is a liberal Catholic&#8217;s work whose chief concern is the sin of antisemitism. I was shocked that he would explicitly call church fathers such as Irenaeus, John Chrysostom, Augustine and Aquinas all antisemites.</span></p><p><span>Another quote which again, I&#8217;m not aware of any traditional Catholic priest who would share this conviction:</span></p><div class="pullquote"><p><em><span>Peter did not speak of a deliberate deicide nor did he mention the rejection or the curse of the Chosen Race. This would have been blasphemy to Peter, as it was to Paul.</span></em></p></div><p><span>Peter did not speak of a deliberate deicide? Read Acts chapters 2 and 3 and tell me what Peter is doing when he tells Jerusalem that they killed the Author of life. Martin is seriously suggesting that the plain reading of Peter&#8217;s own words would have been blasphemous to Peter. </span>Presumably the many theologians who have read those sermons the obvious way get lumped in with the Church Father antisemites he listed earlier.</p><p><span>As it turns out, Malachi Martin was writing a few other things that were pushing the bounds of creativity beyond what he published in &#8220;The Pilgrim&#8221;.</span></p><h4><span>The Pope Promulgated a Forged Prayer?</span></h4><p><span>What exactly was Malachi Martin&#8217;s role with the Vatican during Vatican 2? In my research I&#8217;ve seen claims that Martin was Cardinal Bea&#8217;s personal secretary, the cardinal whose role in Vatican 2 was the President of the Secretariat for Promoting Christian Unity, the office charged with drafting Nostrae Aetate. Although from what I can tell, the claims that Martin had such a high role in this office are claims made only by Martin, without  corroborating sources.</span></p><p><span>Regardless, we know that Martin was in the Vatican, and we know that</span><a href="https://www.proquest.com/scholarly-journals/johannine-prayer-that-never-really-was/docview/2099846079/se-2"><span> he used this access to provide secret information to outside parties</span></a><span>, including the American Jewish Committee.</span></p><p><span>One of the secret documents that Martin produced was a &#8220;Prayer of Repentance&#8221;, a prayer supposedly written by Pope John XXIII right before his death. The Pope&#8217;s reported intent was to have this prayer &#8220;recited in all the Catholic churches of the world&#8221;.</span></p><p>It first appeared in January 1965, in the American Jewish Committee&#8217;s magazine <em>Commentary</em>, in an article titled &#8220;Vatican II and the Jews.&#8221; The author was listed under a second pseudonym: <strong>F. E. Cartus</strong>. The magazine identified Cartus only as &#8220;a Roman Catholic observer who has watched developments at the Ecumenical Council closely.&#8221;</p><p>Here is the prayer:</p><div class="pullquote"><p><em>We recognize today</em></p><p><em><span>That many centuries of blindness</span></em></p><p><em><span>Have veiled our eyes,</span></em></p><p><em><span>So that we no longer see the beauty of your Chosen People</span></em></p><p><em><span>And no longer recognize the features</span></em></p><p><em><span>Of our firstborn brother.</span></em></p><p><em><span>We know now that the mark of Cain is on our forehead.</span></em></p><p><em><span>Over the course of centuries our brother Abel</span></em></p><p><em><span>Has lain in blood we have spilled</span></em></p><p><em><span>Because we forgot your love.</span></em></p><p><em><span>Forgive us for the curse</span></em></p><p><em><span>Which we unjustly placed on the name of the Jews.</span></em></p><p><em><span>Forgive us</span></em></p><p><em><span>For crucifying you a second time,</span></em></p><p><em><span>For we knew not what we were doing</span></em></p></div><p>It is a forgery. And it&#8217;s worth noting that the liberal contingent who would have benefited most from the existence of this prayer have all denounced it as the forgery that it is.</p><p><strong>Msgr. Loris Capovilla</strong> was Pope John XXIII&#8217;s personal secretary, the custodian of his papers. He denied the prayer&#8217;s authenticity from the start. A Rhode Island Herald article from November 11, 1966 already carries his denial, less than two years after publication. Decades later he was even more emphatic, calling it pure invention, saying it matches neither the spirit nor the style of Pope John, who would <strong>never have permitted it to be said that Christians bear the mark of Cain on their foreheads.</strong> Roncalli&#8217;s writings have been exhaustively studied and published. There is no trace of this prayer anywhere in them.</p><p><strong>Msgr. John Oesterreicher</strong> rejected it too. Oesterreicher was a Jewish convert to Catholicism, one of the actual drafters of <em>Nostra Aetate</em>, and a pioneer of Jewish-Catholic reconciliation. He named <em>The Pilgrim</em> by &#8220;Serafian&#8221; and the <em>Commentary</em> article as the most alarming examples of so-called disclosures being accepted as authentic reports. He identified the author of both as the ex-Jesuit Malachi Martin, writing under two different pseudonyms. He said everyone who knew the Pope&#8217;s mind and style was convinced the prayer was fabricated. And he noted that <strong>Martin had refused, in all the years since, to offer any proof of its authenticity</strong>.</p><p>So the debunking does not come from angry traditionalists. It comes from the men who built the document Martin was supposedly serving. </p><p>For the full documentary trail, I highly recommend the scholarly treatment of this: M. K. Watson, &#8220;The &#8216;Johannine Prayer&#8217; that Never Really Was,&#8221; <em>Studies in Christian-Jewish Relations</em> 6:1 (2011), published by Boston College&#8217;s Center for Christian-Jewish Learning and freely available online. It documents both the prayer&#8217;s forty-year circulation and the evidence pointing to Martin as its source.</p><h4><span>Who Exactly What Malachi Martin Again?</span></h4><p>So far we&#8217;ve determined that in the 1960s and early 70s, Malachi Martin was:</p><ul><li><p>A bleeding heart liberal gravely concerned about the Church&#8217;s institutionalized antisemitism</p></li><li><p>Willing to correct the Apostle Peter on what Peter meant in his own sermons</p></li><li><p>Circulating a forged prayer in a dead Pope&#8217;s voice, and refusing for the rest of his life to defend it when the Pope&#8217;s own secretary called it an invention</p></li></ul><p>The questions multiply.</p><p>If Martin was truly a liberal, why did he leave before <em>Nostra Aetate</em>, the document he had been working toward, and forging papal texts to promote, was finally published?</p><p>And if you insist that Malachi Martin was a deeply convicted traditional Catholic:</p><ul><li><p>Why was Malachi Martin writing and publishing this liberal material in the 1960s and 70s?</p></li><li><p>If he was <em>later</em> convicted of traditional Catholicism, then why did he leave the Vatican before those convictions were realized?</p></li><li><p>If he was a traditional Catholic before his departure, then why didn&#8217;t he use his influence to coordinate with the conservative contingent within Vatican 2?</p></li><li><p>Why was he leaking Vatican correspondence to the American Jewish Committee and the secular press, and not to traditional Catholic publications?</p></li><li><p>And why did what he passed along include a document he had made up?</p></li></ul><p>We&#8217;ll continue to dive through Martin&#8217;s work together and see what the best, most reasonable explanations might turn out to be.</p><div class="captioned-button-wrap" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://lucasscottroberts.substack.com/p/the-papal-prayer-that-never-was?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email&utm_content=share&action=share&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Share&quot;}" data-component-name="CaptionedButtonToDOM"><div class="preamble"><p class="cta-caption">Know a Malachi Martin fan? 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Share and let them see for themselves, the man in his own words.</p></div><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://lucasscottroberts.substack.com/p/the-papal-prayer-that-never-was?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email&utm_content=share&action=share&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Share&quot;}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="/__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/p/the-papal-prayer-that-never-was?utm_source=substack&amp;utm_medium=email&amp;utm_content=share&amp;action=share"><span>Share</span></a></p></div><p></p><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-1" href="#footnote-anchor-1" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">1</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>The text of the cited article printed here in it&#8217;s entirety:</p><p><em><span>Without doubt the most pessimistic book written about the Council to date is &#8220;The Pilgrim&#8221; by yet another pseudonymous author. &#8220;Michael Seraflan.&#8221; The dust jacket of the book states that Michael Seraflan is a diplomat but since the definition of a diplomat includes those &#8220;skilled in diplomacy&#8221; as well as practitioners of the art, such a description is hardly enlightening. As a matter of fact, neither the Church nor any civil government would be happy to admit that its diplomatic roster included the supremely confident though ill-informed author of &#8220;The Pilgrim.&#8221;</span></em></p><p><em><span>This book is not an account of the Council, but a thesis. And although he declaims doctrinaire stubbornness, Michael Seraflan is that most intolerant of persona, the doctrinaire liberal. It is curious to examine his attitude to the Church. He speaks passionately of the need for the Church to adapt Itself to the needs of the time, yet his own view of the Church and what he wishes it to be is hopelessly anachronistic. He dreams of a Church benevolently guiding, bending and shaping civil society.</span></em></p><p><em><span>His dreams of the Papacy are likewise quite dated. He ridicules the titles frequently accorded the Pope, while imagining a role for the papacy in the world and in world affairs which would be quite remarkable in the 20th Century.</span></em></p><p><em><span>Seraflan also betrays a cult of the personality, and his apotheosis of Cardinal Bea is quite out of touch with reality. While Cardinal Bea has rendered a valuable service to the Church in these past years, the suggestion that Council Fathers from all countries revolve about the great man as so many satellites is a fantasy.</span></em></p><p><em><span>Diplomat or not, Seraflan is certainly no theologian. He disdains the Council&#8217;s renewal of the liturgy and its discussion on the nature of the Church as so many trivialities while seeming to claim that the Council will rise or fall with the fate of the statement on the relationship between the Church and the Jews. On this subject he is loquacious and eloquent, though a trifle boring and he does not hesitate to taint Pius XII and Pope Paul VI with the hint of anti-Semit-ism. &#8220;The Pilgrim&#8221; is strongly reminiscent of Robert Kaiser&#8217;s book on the Council of last year, concentrating as it does on the author&#8217;s penchant for describing character in terms of physical appearance. The author is given to peering down the vistas of history, though many may feel that his view is over-simplified.</span></em></p><p><em><span>Nevertheless, Serafian is an untrammeled spirit, untrammeled at least by facts. Thus (page 174) he declares that &#8220;at one stage Cardinal Ritter of St. Louis was asked by Bea in a telephone conversation to make a keynote speech of Monday, October 14th and to point out that long before the present pyramidal structure of Pope and Curia ruled the Church, the latter had been governed by a system of patriarchs. But the points in the speech were badly articulated, perhaps Ritter did not understand what was wanted and it fell flat.&#8221; I know certainly that this statement is simply untrue. .</span></em></p><p><em><span>If Michael Serafian is truly a practicing diplomat it is much better that he adopted a pseudonym in writing his book, since he might otherwise find it embarrassing to explain to Swiss theologian, Hans Kung, why he is thrice designated in the text as a German, and to the French citizens of Strasbourg, just why he decided to place their city in Germany.</span></em></p><p><em><span>To sum up, &#8220;The Pilgrim&#8221; is a curiosity which should not be taken too seriously.</span></em></p></div></div>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[“I’m not traditional,” said Malachi Martin.]]></title><description><![CDATA[The Man, The Myth, The&#8230;..Liar?]]></description><link>https://lucasscottroberts.substack.com/p/im-not-traditional-said-malachi-martin</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://lucasscottroberts.substack.com/p/im-not-traditional-said-malachi-martin</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Lucas Scott Roberts]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2026 12:26:07 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!w7dw!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F00f1e3de-1c8f-4104-8854-99f627bd4ad0_1024x1392.jpeg" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span>If you&#8217;re an online Catholic and you see Vatican 2 come up in your timeline, inevitably you see wild conspiracy theories about how this ecumenical council went down.</span></p><ul><li><p><span>A cadre of liberal bishops pounced on the opportunity to change Catholic dogma</span></p></li><li><p><span>Vatican 2 started promulgating universalism, indifferentism, etc.</span></p></li><li><p><span>Zionists infiltrated the council and helped enact their nefarious agenda</span></p></li><li><p><span>A luciferian mass was conducted to install the dark prince as the head of the Catholic church.</span></p></li></ul><p><span>That last one is especially scary. There are Catholics who legitimately believe that a luciferian mass was conducted on June 29th, 1963 during Vatican 2 to install Satan as the head of the Catholic church. If true, this is an incredible claim that has a vast amount of consequences and implications. Are we living in the time of the Antichrist? After 2,000 years, had the gates of Hell finally prevailed against the Church? Is the Catholic Church still the ark of salvation with Satan incarnate at it&#8217;s helm?</span></p><p><span>Fortunately none of us have to consider these implications. Because the only source for this fantastical claim is one man; Malachi Martin.</span></p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!w7dw!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F00f1e3de-1c8f-4104-8854-99f627bd4ad0_1024x1392.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!w7dw!, /__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/w_424, /__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/c_limit, /__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/f_webp, /__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/q_auto:good, /__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F00f1e3de-1c8f-4104-8854-99f627bd4ad0_1024x1392.jpeg 424w, /__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!w7dw!, 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y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><div class="subscription-widget-wrap-editor" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://lucasscottroberts.substack.com/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe&quot;,&quot;language&quot;:&quot;en&quot;}" data-component-name="SubscribeWidgetToDOM"><div class="subscription-widget show-subscribe"><div class="preamble"><p class="cta-caption">Subscribe to see future Malachi Martin deep dives</p></div><form class="subscription-widget-subscribe"><input type="email" class="email-input" name="email" placeholder="Type your email&#8230;" tabindex="-1"><input type="submit" class="button primary" value="Subscribe"><div class="fake-input-wrapper"><div class="fake-input"></div><div class="fake-button"></div></div></form></div></div><p><span>Martin disclosed the details of this evil mass in his work of (ironically) fiction, &#8220;Windswept House&#8221;. He later confirmed that the details of this mass were based on real, actual events. But had he ever provided any evidence to these fantastical claims? Have any investigative journalists, priests, Vatican insiders, anyone provide anything in terms of evidence, corroboration to the claim that the Vatican conducted a lucifaraian mass?</span></p><p><span>The answer is an emphatic and resounding no.</span></p><h4><span>The First Iteration of Malachi Martin</span></h4><p><span>How would Malachi Martin have known that such a mass took place in the Vatican in 1963? Because he was there! Martin was inside the Vatican working with the very people who would initiate the liberal changes he would later build his trad career besmirching. He famously resigned from the Jesuit order in June or July of 1964 in large part because his conscience was pricked by the liberal onslaught of Vatican 2.</span></p><p><span>At least that&#8217;s how he later told it. But as I&#8217;ve come to learn, the original way Martin portrayed himself in the 60s and early 70s was NOT that of a traditional Catholic. Far from it. According to him, he was part and parcel of the liberal cadre that was trying to persuade the conservative bishops to capitulate to liberalism.</span></p><p><span>How do we know this? In 1973 Martin released a book, &#8220;Jesus Now&#8221;, which as we&#8217;ll learn later is itself one of the most universalist sounding religious books ever published by a professing Catholic. In December of that same year he had an interview with the Cincinnati Enquirer to promote this book. I&#8217;ve included the interview here in it&#8217;s entirety so you can see for yourself that Martin&#8217;s self portrayal as a traditional Catholic had not yet taken for. If anything he was the exact opposite.</span></p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!1ika!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F07063c8b-59ab-459b-acd9-d26355b52856_629x1568.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!1ika!, /__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/w_424, /__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/c_limit, /__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/f_webp, /__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/q_auto:good, /__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F07063c8b-59ab-459b-acd9-d26355b52856_629x1568.png 424w, /__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!1ika!, /__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/w_848, 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1272w, /__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!1ika!, /__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/w_1456, /__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/c_limit, /__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/f_auto, /__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/q_auto:good, /__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F07063c8b-59ab-459b-acd9-d26355b52856_629x1568.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p><span>Some notable excerpts:</span></p><ul><li><p><span>He claimed that Cardinal Bea was the &#8220;leader of the liberal caucus in the Roman Catholic Church&#8221;.</span></p></li><li><p><span>Bea apparently recruited Martin to work &#8220;exciting and seductive chores&#8221;.</span></p></li><li><p><span>These chores included &#8220;shaking long-closeted skeletons in the faces of cardinals who didn&#8217;t quite want to do what Cardinal Bea and the Pope wanted.&#8221;</span></p></li><li><p><span>&#8220;I saw cardinals sweating in front of me, and I began to enjoy it.&#8221;</span></p></li><li><p><span>It was a &#8220;clear understanding of this malicious joy&#8221; that prompted Martin to push Cardinal Bea to accept his request for lay status.</span></p></li></ul><p><span>According to Martin&#8217;s own testimony, almost 10 years after he left Rome he was portraying himself as someone who:</span></p><ul><li><p><span>Part of, not against, the liberal contingent in the Vatican.</span></p></li><li><p><span>He was laicized per his own request!</span></p></li></ul><p><span>Now in case you think this particular journalist was mistaken, misheard or misunderstood Martin&#8217;s background, or had taken great liberties to change Martin&#8217;s story, I&#8217;d direct you to this interview Martin gave on William F. Buckley&#8217;s &#8220;The Firing Line&#8221;.</span></p><div id="youtube2-Yb0umLAUjw4" class="youtube-wrap" data-attrs="{&quot;videoId&quot;:&quot;Yb0umLAUjw4&quot;,&quot;startTime&quot;:null,&quot;endTime&quot;:null}" data-component-name="Youtube2ToDOM"><div class="youtube-inner"><iframe src="https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/Yb0umLAUjw4?rel=0&amp;autoplay=0&amp;showinfo=0&amp;enablejsapi=0" frameborder="0" loading="lazy" gesture="media" allow="autoplay; fullscreen" allowautoplay="true" allowfullscreen="true" width="728" height="409"></iframe></div></div><p><span>Note how the host, Buckley, introduces Martin. He calls him Mr. Malachi Martin. He notes how he: </span></p><div class="pullquote"><p><span>&#8220;&#8230;</span><strong><span>used to be</span></strong><span> Father Martin, SJ, he </span><strong><span>left the Catholic priesthood</span></strong><span> in 1964&#8230;&#8221;</span></p></div><p><span>Regardless of how Malachi Martin was portraying himself in the 1980s and 90s, it&#8217;s a matter of fact that up through 1973 he was marketing himself as a layperson, a former priest. He was also telling anyone who would listen that he was very much a Catholic liberal.</span></p><p><span>Which begs a series of questions:</span></p><p><span>If Malachi Martin was a liberal in 1964, and not a conservative as he later claimed, then </span><strong><span>why did he quit the priesthood</span></strong><span>? I had always heard that the reason Martin left Rome and his religious orders was because his conscience was pricked by the liberal wave he saw overtake the Vatican. But his testimony from that time says that HE was part of that liberal wave! So why did he quit?</span></p><p><span>Did Malachi Martin retain his priestly status, or was he laicized? The second half of his career was spent banking on his supposed priestly status given all of his exorcism work. But </span><strong><span>why was he telling people in the 1970s that he was no longer a priest?</span></strong></p><p><span>If we take his testimony from the 1960s and 70s as true, that he was a bleeding heart liberal, then </span><strong><span>when did he make the change to become a traditional priest</span></strong><span>, and why? Did he recant his previous liberal convictions? Did he ever acknowledge his previous liberal beliefs? What did Martin ACTUALLY believe, when did he believe it, and why?</span></p><p></p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!CAnn!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc49dbaec-56f3-4035-a4d7-d5c01626f7cb_300x415.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!CAnn!, /__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/w_424, /__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/c_limit, /__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/f_webp, /__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/q_auto:good, /__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc49dbaec-56f3-4035-a4d7-d5c01626f7cb_300x415.png 424w, /__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!CAnn!, /__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/w_848, 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4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">&#8220;<em>Jesus images are impotent idols</em>&#8221; Martin from that same Cincinnati Enquirer artcle.</figcaption></figure></div><h4><span>Can the Real Malachi Martin Please Stand Up?</span></h4><p><span>My intent is to write a series of articles where I look at Martin&#8217;s early work and contrast it against the popular mythos Martin holds within the Traditional Catholic community. If the mythos is correct, that Martin was a peregrine of traditional Catholicism who stood against the liberal excesses of Vatican 2, then we should expect to see a consistent testimony of Martin doing exactly that, leaving Rome, as he said, as a matter of conscience.</span></p><p><span>We&#8217;ll end this article with a direct quote from Martin contained in the last part of the aforementioned Cincinnati Enquirer article. After acknowledging that the theology Martin was promoting in his &#8220;Jesus Now&#8221; book went &#8220;beyond conventional belief&#8221;, </span><strong><span>he further clarified, &#8220;I&#8217;m not traditional&#8221;.</span></strong></p><p><span>If the Martin Mythos is correct, and Martin was a traditional Catholic priest this entire time, then clearly someone forgot to inform Martin in 1973.</span></p><div class="captioned-button-wrap" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://lucasscottroberts.substack.com/p/im-not-traditional-said-malachi-martin?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email&utm_content=share&action=share&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Share&quot;}" data-component-name="CaptionedButtonToDOM"><div class="preamble"><p class="cta-caption">Know a Malachi Martin enthusiast? Are they aware of Martin&#8217;s liberal origins? Share to let them see for themselves.</p></div><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://lucasscottroberts.substack.com/p/im-not-traditional-said-malachi-martin?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email&utm_content=share&action=share&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Share&quot;}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="/__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/p/im-not-traditional-said-malachi-martin?utm_source=substack&amp;utm_medium=email&amp;utm_content=share&amp;action=share"><span>Share</span></a></p></div><p></p>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Let’s Build an Indulgence Maxxing App!]]></title><description><![CDATA[I'm looking for feedback on this free Catholic app I'm building]]></description><link>https://lucasscottroberts.substack.com/p/lets-build-an-indulgence-maxxing</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://lucasscottroberts.substack.com/p/lets-build-an-indulgence-maxxing</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Lucas Scott Roberts]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2026 00:03:55 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!zwWt!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fccd18da5-4ce1-464a-9b0e-95937f88afff_1402x1122.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;ve talked before about <a href="/__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/p/indulg-maxxing">Indulg Maxxing</a>, and the <a href="/__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/p/thou-shalt-indulg-maxx">Church&#8217;s call to max out your indulgences</a>. Here I would like to flesh out the idea of Catholics using technology to help pursue, log and offer up the indulgences we procure. If there was a way to develop this so that any Catholic can download the app for free and start using it to live holier lives, than I want to find that way.</p><p>We live in the advent of vibe coding, where laypeople not familiar with coding or computer science can use AI to help develop and deploy ideas into usable apps. You describe your idea to the AI, the AI does the coding heavy lifting to make your dream into a reality.</p><p>I&#8217;d like to pursue the idea of developing an app that helps you log the indulgences your earn. After all, according to Norm 17 Section 2:</p><div class="pullquote"><p><em>To gain an indulgence, <strong>one must have at least the general intention of doing so</strong> and must carry out the enjoined work at the stated time and in due fashion, according to the sense of the grant.</em></p></div><p>You can&#8217;t procure indulgences if you&#8217;re not intending to procure them. For a lot of us, indulgences is not something we&#8217;re seeing taught regularly in our parishes, and we don&#8217;t have the time and energy to look up and figure out</p><ul><li><p>Which indulgences are available today?</p></li><li><p>How do you procure them?</p></li></ul><p>If there was an app that already did that backend work for you, then you could open the app, find an indulgence, engage in the work, log it, and move on with your day.</p><p>Indulgence maxxing is important not just for us, but those who are still in purgatory (Norm 3):</p><div class="pullquote"><p><em>The faithful can obtain partial or plenary indulgences for themselves, or <strong>they can apply them to the dead</strong> by way of suffrage.</em></p></div><p>With all of this in mind, how should the app be designed? This article is to explain my current thought process, and to solicit thoughts from other Catholics who might have a different frame they can offer to help me finish this project.</p><h4>Plenary vs. Partial</h4><p>In the old days, indulgences were given certain time frames based on the importance or the difficulty in procuring the indulgence. Post Vatican 2 we have a simpler system; Plenary Indulgences and Partial Indulgences.</p><div class="pullquote"><p><em>An indulgence is partial or plenary according to whether it removes either part or all of the temporal punishment for sin. (Norm 2)</em></p></div><p>Plenaries are obviously harder to attain given the full removal of the temporal punishment, while partials are more accessible.</p><p>For an app, I was originally thinking that I&#8217;d have an option to log an indulgence as a plenary or a partial. Let&#8217;s say you click on the rosary indulgence. Then the app would ask you if it was plenary or not. &#8220;Were you in a group? Did you meet this plenary condition? What about this condition?&#8221;</p><p>The more I thought about it, the more like it seemed to make a ton of clicks for something which, were the indulgence partial, would take a lot of time to log. So that idea is scratched.</p><p>Plus the indulgence manual notes that for a lot of the plenary indulgences, you have to meet certain requirements like being in the right part of the liturgical calendar. As an example:</p><div class="pullquote"><p><em>Act of Dedication of the Human Race to Jesus Christ the King</em></p><p><em>A plenary indulgence is granted to the faithful who <strong>on the solemnity of Our Lord Jesus Christ</strong>, King of the Universe, publicly recite the act of dedication of the human race to Christ the King (Grant 2)</em></p></div><p>If the idea of the app is too indulg maxx, then making an entry for an indulgence that is only available one day out of the liturgical calendar seems like a lot of work with a low payoff.</p><div class="captioned-button-wrap" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://lucasscottroberts.substack.com/p/lets-build-an-indulgence-maxxing?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email&utm_content=share&action=share&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Share&quot;}" data-component-name="CaptionedButtonToDOM"><div class="preamble"><p class="cta-caption">Know any canon lawyers? </p></div><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://lucasscottroberts.substack.com/p/lets-build-an-indulgence-maxxing?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email&utm_content=share&action=share&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Share&quot;}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="/__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/p/lets-build-an-indulgence-maxxing?utm_source=substack&amp;utm_medium=email&amp;utm_content=share&amp;action=share"><span>Share</span></a></p></div><p>In fact, the more I looked at plenary indulgences, the more I ran into these types of time constraints. What if this was a way to find and make entries for plenaries that are available every day of the year? Man, would I have to comb through each indulgence and mark them as I find them?</p><p>Great news; no! Under the Introduction section of the Grants, we find this gem:</p><p><em><strong>7. Deserving of special mention are grants pertaining to those works by any one of which the faithful can obtain a plenary indulgence each day of the year&#8230;:</strong></em></p><ul><li><p><em><strong>Adoration of the Blessed Sacrament for at least 1 half hour</strong></em></p></li><li><p><em><strong>The pious exercise of the Way of the Cross</strong></em></p></li><li><p><em><strong>Recitation of the Marian rosary in church or an oratory; or in a family, a religious community, or a sodality of the faithful or, in general, when several of the faithful are gathered for any good purpose</strong></em></p></li><li><p><em><strong>The devout reading or listening to the Sacred Scriptures for at least a half an hour</strong></em></p></li></ul><p>Boom, there&#8217;s the plenary indulgences! For our app, we could put a 5th entry that&#8217;s a simple &#8220;Other Plenaries&#8221; which allows the user to cite the Manual of Indulgences to log any of the other more specific types of plenaries that are available, and log them under a miscellaneous tab.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!zwWt!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fccd18da5-4ce1-464a-9b0e-95937f88afff_1402x1122.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!zwWt!, /__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/w_424, /__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/c_limit, /__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/f_webp, /__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/q_auto:good, 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really neat and all, but making an app to log what should be holy and spiritual pursuits seems a bit ludicrous. Are you just trying to grab hold of a meme and cash in on a cultural moment?&#8221;</p><p>No. First of all, this app would be absolutely free. Second of all, I think there&#8217;s another benefit beyond the holy and righteous pursuit of procuring indulgences. Indulg Maxxing can be a great antidote to the scourge that is doomscrolling.</p><p>How many of us sitnessed firsthand the vitriol, the nastiness online and thought &#8220;Boy, I should really get rid of my social media. Or maybe even my phone!&#8221; Now whether or not these sorts of measures are reasonable for you to undertake, I&#8217;m not going to say one way or the other.</p><p>But for those of us who intend to stay online, what&#8217;s a great way to counteract all the online darkness? Here&#8217;s some suggestions:</p><ul><li><p>Switch your feed to only people you follow (don&#8217;t allow the algorithms to curate your feed!)</p></li><li><p>Be very thoughtful, intentional about who you follow</p></li><li><p><strong>Commit to logging a partial indulgence before each and every time you open your social media</strong></p></li></ul><p>Think about it; instead of opening Twitter to mindlessly scroll, letting the gates of our eyes open  to whoever and whatever wanders onto our timeline, instead work towards an indulgence. THEN you get to open your social media.</p><p>And the partial indulgences are simple. As an example:</p><p><em>A partial indulgence is granted to the faithful who teach or study Christian doctrine (Grant 6)</em></p><p>Did you watch your favorite eThomist on Youtube? Log it, then open Facebook.</p><p><em>A partial indulgence is granted to the faithful who for their personal education devoutly spend time in mental prayer. (Grant 15)</em></p><p>Say a mental prayer. Log it. Not you can get back on Twitter.</p><p>When you&#8217;re at the end of the week, you can look back at all the indulgences you earned and offer them up for the souls in purgatory. How cool is that?</p><p>The Indulg Maxxing app is not creating opportunities for indulgences, but it is a simpler way for us to approach indulgences and to log our efforts. What do you think?</p><div class="subscription-widget-wrap-editor" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://lucasscottroberts.substack.com/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe&quot;,&quot;language&quot;:&quot;en&quot;}" data-component-name="SubscribeWidgetToDOM"><div class="subscription-widget show-subscribe"><div class="preamble"><p class="cta-caption">Subscribe and stay up to date on the Indulg Maxxing App</p></div><form class="subscription-widget-subscribe"><input type="email" class="email-input" name="email" placeholder="Type your email&#8230;" tabindex="-1"><input type="submit" class="button primary" value="Subscribe"><div class="fake-input-wrapper"><div class="fake-input"></div><div class="fake-button"></div></div></form></div></div><p></p>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Thou Shalt Indulg Maxx]]></title><description><![CDATA[What if we adopted a Gen Z motif about &#8220;maxxing&#8221; and apply it to Catholicism?]]></description><link>https://lucasscottroberts.substack.com/p/thou-shalt-indulg-maxx</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://lucasscottroberts.substack.com/p/thou-shalt-indulg-maxx</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Lucas Scott Roberts]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2026 19:21:50 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ic5R!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F82efee5d-757f-42c5-83e8-d6c0f8aff070_678x542.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What if we adopted a Gen Z motif about &#8220;maxxing&#8221; and apply it to Catholicism? </p><p>That was more or less the <a href="/__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/p/indulg-maxxing?r=77m4u">topic of my last article</a>. Now that I&#8217;ve finished reading the <a href="https://ascensionpress.com/products/manual-of-indulgences">Manual of Indulgences: Norms and Grants</a>, I thought I would highlight some sections that give the impression that maxxing out on indulgences isn&#8217;t merely permissible; it&#8217;s highly encouraged.</p><p>Of particular note is the <a href="https://www.vatican.va/content/paul-vi/en/apost_constitutions/documents/hf_p-vi_apc_01011967_indulgentiarum-doctrina.html">Apostolic Constitution Of Pope Paul VI Indulgentiarum Doctrina</a> which underpins and promulgates the most updated Church&#8217;s teaching on indulgences. I want to highlight a few sections that stuck out to me before I get to the Papal admonition to indulg maxx.</p><p>First, what is the purpose of indulgences?</p><div class="pullquote"><p><em>It is a divinely revealed truth that sins bring punishments inflicted by God&#8217;s sanctity and justice. These must be expiated <strong>either on this earth through the sorrows, miseries and calamities of this life and above all through death</strong>, or else in the life beyond through fire and torments or &#8220;purifying&#8221; punishments.</em></p></div><p>As a quick sidenote, the scriptural references for existence of temporal eartly punishments are interesting:</p><ul><li><p>Genesis 3:16-19</p><ul><li><p>Adam and Eve&#8217;s temporal punishment for their sin in the garden of Eden</p></li></ul></li><li><p>Luke 19:41-44</p><ul><li><p>Jesus weeping over Jerusalem and prophesying its destruction due to it&#8217;s rejection of Him</p></li></ul></li><li><p>Romans 2:9 and 1 Corinthians 11:30</p><ul><li><p>Paul teaching that everyone feels temporal punishments, including those who take communion unworthily</p></li></ul></li><li><p><a href="https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/1801058.htm">Saint Augustine&#8217;s exposition on Psalm 58</a> is also referenced. Of particular note:</p><ul><li><p><em>&#8220;It is not therefore the punishments of the lower places, not the punishments of that fire everlasting after the resurrection, not those punishments which as yet in this world are common to just men and unjust men, and ofttimes more heavy are those of just men than those of unjust men<strong>; but some punishment or other of the present life</strong> the Spirit of God would recommend to our notice.&#8221;</em></p></li></ul></li></ul><div class="subscription-widget-wrap-editor" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://lucasscottroberts.substack.com/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe&quot;,&quot;language&quot;:&quot;en&quot;}" data-component-name="SubscribeWidgetToDOM"><div class="subscription-widget show-subscribe"><div class="preamble"><p class="cta-caption">If you&#8217;re cool, calm and catholic (or want to be) than subscribe</p></div><form class="subscription-widget-subscribe"><input type="email" class="email-input" name="email" placeholder="Type your email&#8230;" tabindex="-1"><input type="submit" class="button primary" value="Subscribe"><div class="fake-input-wrapper"><div class="fake-input"></div><div class="fake-button"></div></div></form></div></div><p>To the idea that indulgences were just a medieval practice that the Catholic Church should never have implemented and was forced to correct due to the Protestant Reformation&#8230;no, not even close.</p><p>In fact, this document calls out the history of indulgences directly and honestly:</p><div class="pullquote"><p><em>Unfortunately, the practice of indulgences has at times been improperly used either through &#8220;untimely and superfluous indulgences&#8221; by which the power of the keys was humiliated and penitential satisfaction weakened, or through the collection of &#8220;illicit profits&#8221; by which indulgences were blasphemously defamed. <strong>But the Church</strong>, in deploring and correcting these improper uses &#8220;<strong>teaches and establishes that the use of indulgences must be preserved</strong> because it is supremely salutary for the Christian people and authoritatively approved by the sacred councils; and it condemns with anathema those who maintain the uselessness of indulgences or deny the power of the Church to grant them.&#8221;</em></p></div><p>Ok, so the Church teaches that by engaging in the meritorious acts of indulgences we can then earn our way out of temporal punishments? No, it&#8217;s not your merits. The merits you access in indulgences were merits ultimately earned by Christ.</p><div class="pullquote"><p><em>Thus is explained the &#8220;treasury of the Church&#8221; which should certainly not be imagined as the sum total of material goods accumulated in the course of the centuries, but <strong>the infinite and inexhaustible value the expiation and the merits of Christ Our Lord have before God</strong>, offered as they were so that all of mankind could be set free from sin and attain communion with the Father. It is Christ the Redeemer himself in whom the satisfactions and merits of his redemption exist and find their force.</em></p></div><p>Another shoutout to the scriptural references for this section:</p><ul><li><p>Hebrews 7:23-25</p><ul><li><p>Jesus saves to the uttermost those who draw near to God through Him</p></li></ul></li><li><p>Hebrews 9:11-28</p><ul><li><p>There will never be a greater sacrifice than Christ&#8217;s.</p></li></ul></li></ul><p>And finally, the call to maxx out on them indulg&#8217;s:</p><div class="pullquote"><p><em>The Church also in our days then <strong>invites all its sons to ponder and meditate well</strong> on how the use of indulgences benefits their lives and indeed all Christian society.</em></p><p><em>Indeed the faithful when they acquire indulgences understand that <strong>by their own powers they could not remedy the harm they have done to themselves and to the entire community by their sin, and</strong> they are therefore stirred to a salutary humility.</em></p><p><em>Furthermore, the use of <strong>indulgences</strong> <strong>shows us how closely we are united to each other in Christ</strong>, and <strong>how the supernatural life of each can benefit others</strong> so that these also may be more easily and more closely united with the Father. Therefore <strong>the use of indulgences effectively influences charity in us</strong> and demonstrates that charity in an outstanding manner <strong>when we offer indulgences as assistance to our brothers who rest in Christ.</strong></em></p></div><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ic5R!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F82efee5d-757f-42c5-83e8-d6c0f8aff070_678x542.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ic5R!, /__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/w_424, /__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/c_limit, /__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/f_webp, /__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/q_auto:good, 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But the next question; is there a systematic way that we can approach indulg maxxing?</p><div class="captioned-button-wrap" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://lucasscottroberts.substack.com/p/thou-shalt-indulg-maxx?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email&utm_content=share&action=share&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Share&quot;}" data-component-name="CaptionedButtonToDOM"><div class="preamble"><p class="cta-caption">Please share if you enjoyed this.</p></div><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://lucasscottroberts.substack.com/p/thou-shalt-indulg-maxx?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email&utm_content=share&action=share&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Share&quot;}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="/__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/p/thou-shalt-indulg-maxx?utm_source=substack&amp;utm_medium=email&amp;utm_content=share&amp;action=share"><span>Share</span></a></p></div><p>Stay tuned to Cool, Calm and Catholic; next time we&#8217;ll try and make an app that tracks our indulg maxxing.</p>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Indulg Maxxing]]></title><description><![CDATA[All the Cool (Catholic) Kids are Doing It]]></description><link>https://lucasscottroberts.substack.com/p/indulg-maxxing</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://lucasscottroberts.substack.com/p/indulg-maxxing</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Lucas Scott Roberts]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2026 13:20:39 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_blP!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc8bb207a-328a-466f-a382-8355e4ca26a1_1402x1122.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quick question; can you pray the rosary during mass? </p><p>According to Twitter/X earlier this month, the answer was an emphatic no.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2" target="_blank" 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/__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbd69de61-6489-4160-acc5-8f374376bc11_573x210.png 1272w, /__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!oNCh!, /__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/w_1456, /__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/c_limit, /__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/f_auto, /__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/q_auto:good, /__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbd69de61-6489-4160-acc5-8f374376bc11_573x210.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" fetchpriority="high"></picture><div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>Many were quick to point out that no, there is not an official church teaching that prohibits anyone from praying a rosary during mass. </p><p>But also, why would you want too?</p><div class="subscription-widget-wrap-editor" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://lucasscottroberts.substack.com/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe&quot;,&quot;language&quot;:&quot;en&quot;}" data-component-name="SubscribeWidgetToDOM"><div class="subscription-widget show-subscribe"><div class="preamble"><p class="cta-caption">Subscribe for more indulg maxxing goodness</p></div><form class="subscription-widget-subscribe"><input type="email" class="email-input" name="email" placeholder="Type your email&#8230;" tabindex="-1"><input type="submit" class="button primary" value="Subscribe"><div class="fake-input-wrapper"><div class="fake-input"></div><div class="fake-button"></div></div></form></div></div><p>As a convert myself, I find conversations around proper sacramental etiquette to be important. I don&#8217;t want to engage in a practice that is abnormal in any way. I just want to be a good catholic.</p><p>But the idea that someone would pray a rosary while the mass was going on seemed&#8230; absurd? I couldn&#8217;t figure out why anyone would want to take out their rosary beads and start reciting decades while the priest is leading the mass.</p><p>In our group chat we started joking about what would possess someone to pray a rosary during mass. 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class="image-caption">decades and lifts, bro bro</figcaption></figure></div><p>&#8220;Hey bro, I lifted up your intentions this morning at mass!&#8221;</p><p>&#8220;Thanks bro! Did you also get in a rosary bro?&#8221;</p><p>&#8220;&#8230;&#8230;&#8221;</p><p>&#8220;Come on broski, what are you even doing? Take every thought captive, make the most of every opportunity because the days are evil. That&#8217;s St. Paul, bro!&#8221;</p><p>The running joke took its course in our group chat. Wouldn&#8217;t it be funny if one of these Gen Alpha &#8220;maxxers&#8221; started researching indulgences, finding ways to maximize the holy life and procure the maximum amount of indulgences possible. That would be funny, right?</p><p>Right?</p><p>And then the joke evolved into a serious question for me. Why&#8230;aren&#8217;t we trying to max out on indulgences? Isn&#8217;t earning indulgences, doesn&#8217;t that come from our efforts to live holier and more sanctified lives? &#8220;Maxxing out&#8221; on indulgences on the surface seems unserious at best, profane at worst. But also, shouldn&#8217;t we be pursuing them, offering them up once we&#8217;ve maxxed out?</p><p>I couldn&#8217;t get this idea out of my mind. I had to start researching the Church&#8217;s teaching on indulgences. And what I learned was pretty interesting.</p><p>First, shoutout to Ascension Press who <a href="https://ascensionpress.com/products/manual-of-indulgences">JUST published the Manual of Indulgences</a>, the most up to date version of the manual in March of 2026. </p><p>(It does feel pretty crazy to me that as I&#8217;m looking this up, there happens to be the most up to date manual available).</p><p>From now on &#8220;Cool, Calm and Catholic&#8221; will be dedicated to extracting what I believe are valuable nuggets from this manual.</p><p>For instance, did you know that:</p><ul><li><p>(N20) in order for an indulgence to gain a plenary status, besides excluding all attachment to sin, even venial, you must also meet the following three conditions:</p><ul><li><p>Sacramental confession</p></li><li><p>Eucharistic communion</p></li><li><p>Pray for the intention of the Pope</p></li></ul></li><li><p>(N18) you can only earn 1 plenary a day</p></li><li><p>(Grant 17) A plenary indulgence is granted to the faithful who:</p><ul><li><p>devoutly recite the Marian rosary in&#8230;. &#8230;.an association of the faithful&#8230;</p><ul><li><p>5 decades must be recited without interruption</p></li><li><p>Devout meditation on the mysteries is to be added to the vocal prayer</p></li><li><p>In its public recitation the mysteries must be announced in accord with approved local custom</p></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul><p>Think for a second about all the rosary spaces that happen on Twitter/X every single day! And it appears based on the manual that if you&#8217;re in a state of grace, no attachment to sin, you&#8217;re eligible to earn a plenary indulgence for your participation in the rosary spaces!!!!!!</p><p>Of course it&#8217;s worth pointing out that all plenary intentions must be joined to the intentions of the Holy Father, which to be honest I didn&#8217;t even know was a thing before I dived into this manual. It would be AMAZING if the rosary space hosts on Twitter/X added the Pope&#8217;s current intentions at the beginning of their rosary spaces, thereby enabling the indulgence earned at the rosary to be plenary eligible.</p><p><em>&#8220;But Lucas, the holy life is not a gym exercise. What you&#8217;re describing is actually a profane and obscene way to think about indulgences and sanctification. We&#8217;re trying to be saints, not athletes.&#8221;</em></p><p>I strongly disagree. I believe there&#8217;s a reason why St. Paul used a lot of metaphors about athletes, marathons and soldiers in his writings to describe the holy life. Yes, not everyone needs to monitor their decades/reps and document their mortification like an athlete. But far from being a hindrance, taking a maxxing mentality to holiness might actually make a big difference for some Catholics.</p><p><em>&#8220;But what&#8217;s even the point of maxxing? You earn you indulgence, then you&#8217;ve removed the temporal punishment for your sins. Why the emphasis on maxxing after you&#8217;ve &#8220;maxxed&#8221; ?&#8221;</em></p><p>Because according to Church teaching:</p><div class="pullquote"><p>(N3) The faithful can obtain partial or plenary indulgences for themselves, or they can apply them to the dead by way of suffrage.</p></div><p>We&#8217;re asked by the Church to pray for the souls in purgatory. 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One good Hail Mary is worth more than 150 said badly. That&#8217;s Saint Louis de Montfort, the OG Mary Maxxer.&#8221;</figcaption></figure></div><p>At the end of the day, I&#8217;m just a novice, and I would LOVE for other Catholics to come on this INDULG MAXXING journey with me. Get a copy of the latest Manual of Indulgences, and let&#8217;s maxx out together for Jesus and His Church.</p><div class="subscription-widget-wrap-editor" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://lucasscottroberts.substack.com/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe&quot;,&quot;language&quot;:&quot;en&quot;}" data-component-name="SubscribeWidgetToDOM"><div class="subscription-widget show-subscribe"><div class="preamble"><p class="cta-caption">Maxx our, indulg maxxers</p></div><form class="subscription-widget-subscribe"><input type="email" class="email-input" name="email" placeholder="Type your email&#8230;" tabindex="-1"><input type="submit" class="button primary" value="Subscribe"><div class="fake-input-wrapper"><div class="fake-input"></div><div class="fake-button"></div></div></form></div></div>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[The Archconfraternity of the Holy Face on X (Twitter)]]></title><description><![CDATA[Learn about a group of Catholics who come together EVERY MORNING to offer reparations for blasphemies against Christ and his Holy Face.]]></description><link>https://lucasscottroberts.substack.com/p/the-archconfraternity-of-the-holy</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://lucasscottroberts.substack.com/p/the-archconfraternity-of-the-holy</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Lucas Scott Roberts]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2026 14:13:04 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Pbit!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2413cd62-c1e9-47b4-8136-4585fde60f7b_1905x2560.jpeg" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the past year and a half, a group of Catholics have gotten together every single morning to pray the Chaplet of the Holy Face, a prayer developed from revelations given from our Lord to a Carmelite nun in Tours, France back in 1843-1848. This article will explore:</p><ul><li><p>How I discovered this devotion for myself and started hosting the Chaplet of the Holy  Face on X.</p></li><li><p>The history of this Archconfraternity, with some details on:</p><ul><li><p>Sister Mary of St. Peter, the nun to whom our Lord gave these revelations</p></li><li><p>Pope Leo XIII&#8217;s fast tracking the Confraternity of the Holy Face into an Archconfraternity</p></li></ul></li><li><p>The Catholic community on X (Twitter) who currently prays the Chaplet of the Holy Face EVERY MORNING</p><ul><li><p>How to connect with this group should you wish to join</p></li><li><p>Resources for you to explore this devotion and join the Archconfraternity</p></li></ul></li></ul><p>My hope is that you will see the importance and the sanctity of this devotion, and whether or not you join us on X I hope that you&#8217;ll at least share the power and the importance of this devotion.</p><div class="subscription-widget-wrap-editor" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://lucasscottroberts.substack.com/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe&quot;,&quot;language&quot;:&quot;en&quot;}" data-component-name="SubscribeWidgetToDOM"><div class="subscription-widget show-subscribe"><div class="preamble"><p class="cta-caption">Thanks for reading Cool, Calm and Catholic! Subscribe for free to receive new posts and support my work.</p></div><form class="subscription-widget-subscribe"><input type="email" class="email-input" name="email" placeholder="Type your email&#8230;" tabindex="-1"><input type="submit" class="button primary" value="Subscribe"><div class="fake-input-wrapper"><div class="fake-input"></div><div class="fake-button"></div></div></form></div></div><h1>A Protestant Meets the Holy Face</h1><p>As a convert from Protestantism, I proactively enrolled myself into catechismclass.com to complete my OCIA online. Catechism Class was a great opportunity to learn the fundamentals of the Catholic faith in an online format with traditional Catholic catechesis. </p><p>It was during this OCIA when I came across the devotion to the Holy Face. I couldn&#8217;t explain why I was drawn to this particular devotion. In OCIA you&#8217;re introduced to a variety of Catholic devotions like the Rosary, the Chaplet of Divine Mercy, the Devotion to the Sacred Heart of Jesus, among others. But I remember feeling a burning deep within me as the Holy Face Devotion was being described. Perhaps I was magnetically drawn to this devotion because as a Protestant, I never truly appreciated the Incarnation of Christ. I believed that Jesus really existed, is really God, really became man, really died a physical death on Calvary. But Jesus was also a kind of a historical figurehead for me, like George Washington or King Charlemagne. The Incarnation itself, the fact that God condescended Himself to be born of a woman, to nurse as a child, to grow from adolescence into a man, none of these facts seemed very relevant to me as a Protestant. The Devotion to the Holy Face astounded me, smacked me in my own face and convicted me to meditate deeply upon the Incarnation of Christ, and upon his Holy Face.</p><p>So in the spring of 2024 I decided to start hosting this chaplet on X.</p><p>For those unfamiliar, X (formerly Twitter) is a social media platform like Facebook or Instagram. One of the features of this platform is the ability for users to host a &#8220;space&#8221;. A space is basically a conference call that any Twitter user can come and join. Think of spaces  as a social media conference call.</p><p>I started using spaces to host the Chaplet of the Holy Face so that others could pray the chaplet with me. Initially I started hosting Monday - Friday only. But I felt convicted that this wasn&#8217;t enough, and decided to start hosting every day of the week. 6am was a good time to pray this early in the morning. Get up, get your prayers in, then start your day.</p><p>Honestly I&#8217;m surprised that it&#8217;s still going almost 2 years later. The lifespan of this devotion on X is certainly not due to me; first and foremost I believe God has granted a special grace to keep this devotion up, and secondly, Catholic Twitter has some amazing people who have come alongside me and helped me out tremendously. Whenever I&#8217;ve been unable to host the chaplet myself, one of my friends will step up, fill in the gap and keep the devotion going. </p><p>Now how exactly did this devotion get started in the first place?</p><h2>From Tours, France to the Curia in Rome</h2><p>Sister Mary of St. Peter was a Carmelite nun in Tours, France. I <a href="https://tanbooks.com/products/books/the-golden-arrow-the-revelations-of-sr-mary-of-st-peter/?srsltid=AfmBOorbZtag2iI7pnnLtfPCwKuVjraPdL3wpIrp-HHrofKkwK0mGTrI">highly recommend her book </a>if you want to learn more about her background and how she came to be entrusted with the Holy Face Devotion by our Lord himself. Like most Catholic mystics, Sister Mary had to deal with self doubt, skepticism from others, disbelief from her superiors, all kinds of trials before her revelations were confirmed to be divine and legitimate. </p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!cO15!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F552b5d21-7606-4b32-b1a5-e601cd14c7c4_209x300.gif" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!cO15!, /__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/w_424, /__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/c_limit, /__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/f_webp, /__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/q_auto:good, 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/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!cO15!, /__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/w_1456, /__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/c_limit, /__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/f_auto, /__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/q_auto:good, /__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/fl_lossy/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F552b5d21-7606-4b32-b1a5-e601cd14c7c4_209x300.gif 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Sister Mary of St. Peter</figcaption></figure></div><p>Devotion to Jesus Christ and his Holy Face is not a new devotion necessarily. <a href="https://archive.org/details/manualofthe-archconfraternityofthe-holy-face/page/28/mode/1up?q=origen">The 1887 manual that propagates the devotion</a> notes how the Jesus&#8217; holy face was adored and contemplated from the very beginning of his Incarnation. His Holy Face was adored by Mary, Joseph, and the shepherds at his birth. God became man, and adopted a Holy Face that <em>&#8220;wore an expression of benignity and tenderness towards the little children, but it terrified the sellers in the Temple.&#8221;</em></p><p>For Sister Mary, the intent of the revelations she received about the Holy Face was to call the Church to start <em>&#8220;applying the worship of the sorrowful Face of Jesus Christ to the reparation of blasphemies, of infidelity and of other forms of impiety which are the grief and dishonour of the age in which we live.&#8221;</em></p><div class="pullquote"><p>The ever increasing progress of scepticism, the ravages occasioned by evil doctrines, the destructive projects of secret societies have contributed to revive and to extend more and more amongst us the sense and the need of expiation, and, consequently, the salutary worship in question.</p><p><em>The Manual of the Archconfraternity of the Holy Face, 1887 (Page 30)</em></p></div><p>Interesting how Sister Mary started receiving these revelations in 1843.</p><p>Karl Marx would publish his infamous &#8220;Communist Manifesto&#8221; in 1848.</p><p>Jesus was proactively arming His Church with the weapons they would need to seek the reparations required from the blasphemy this newest godless ideology would necessitate!</p><p>Once the Church recognized the importance of this devotion, She moved at LIGHTNING SPEED to erect its sacredness across the entire universal body of believers.</p><ul><li><p>October 25, 1884 - Confraternity of the Holy Face established in Tours, France</p></li><li><p>September 1, 1885, formal petition sent to Pope Leo XIII requesting an elevation to Archconfraternity</p></li><li><p>October 1, 1885, Pope Leo XIII elevates to a perpetual Archconfraternity.</p></li></ul><p>THE CONFRATERNITY WASN&#8217;T EVEN A YEAR OLD before it was elevated to an ARCHCONFRATERNITY!</p><p>And it only took 30 DAYS from the original request for the Pope to elevate it.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a 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y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Pope Leo XIII</figcaption></figure></div><p>Among archconfraternities, this devotion is incredibly unique for the speed with which is was elevated. No other devotion comes even remotely close. It makes you wonder; what did Pope Leo XIII see in this devotion that caused him to elevate it so quickly? Why did our Lord through the workings of the Holy Spirit stir His Church to deploy this weapon against blasphemy so rapidly?</p><p>I&#8217;m fairly certain I don&#8217;t need to explain how blasphemy has become a cultural sacrament of the West. Parodies of the Church and her doctrines abound, and are celebrated as evidence of our societies&#8217; enlightenment and evolution from her superstitious past.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!jhum!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fdf88a204-0d7a-4830-9691-f10ed8e1c2c1_899x438.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!jhum!, /__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/w_424, /__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/c_limit, /__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/f_webp, /__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/q_auto:good, /__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fdf88a204-0d7a-4830-9691-f10ed8e1c2c1_899x438.png 424w, 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class="image-caption">Opening Ceremony from the Paris 2024 Summer Olympics </figcaption></figure></div><p>The opening ceremony from the Paris 2024 Summer Olympics is just one of many examples that mock the Christian faith. It&#8217;s also ironic that this particular example, which placed this blasphemy in front of the entire world, occurred in France, the country with which our Lord first gave the Holy Face Devotion.</p><p>So how does one join the fight and start praying for reparations as our Lord petitioned?</p><h1>I Want YOU to join the Archconfraternity of the Holy Face TODAY!</h1><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!obY9!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F648db498-75cf-430f-ac44-c02926232a9c_612x410.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!obY9!, /__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/w_424, /__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/c_limit, /__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/f_webp, 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8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>What sort of commitment does it take to join this Archconfraternity? How do you register? </p><p>I&#8217;m so glad you asked.</p><p>Below are the conditions for being associated to the archconfraternity according to the manual. I&#8217;ve included my own commentary underneath each bullet point.</p><ol><li><p><em><strong>To be inscribed on the Register of the Oratory of the Holy Face</strong></em></p><ol><li><p>The headquarters for the Archconfraternity is still in Tours, France.</p></li><li><p>You can register online here:</p><ol><li><p>https://www.oratoiredelasainteface.fr/archiconfrerie-de-la-sainte-face/</p></li></ol></li><li><p>For English speakers, be sure to hit &#8220;EN&#8221; in the top right corner. The website defaults to French.</p></li></ol></li><li><p><em><strong>To receive the rule, with the certificate of admission</strong></em></p><ol><li><p>You should recieve the certificate after you register online.</p></li></ol></li><li><p><em><strong>Every day, to recite, for the intentions of the Archconfraternity, in Latin or in English, a Pater, Ave, Gloria and the invocation : Domine, ostende Faciem tuam et salvi erimus: (( Lord show us Thy Face, and we shall be saved))</strong></em></p><ol><li><p>We do this every day on X at 6am CST, Monday - Sunday! </p></li><li><p>Follow me on X to see the notifications. Here&#8217;s my profile:</p><ol><li><p>https://x.com/addicted2grace</p></li></ol></li></ol></li><li><p><em><strong>To wear a little effigy of the Holy Face, either on a cross, medal or scapular'</strong></em></p><ol><li><p>There are so many Catholic stores that make these items, they&#8217;re not hard to find.</p></li><li><p>Be sure to support your local Catholic businesses!</p></li><li><p>Also, make sure you have whatever Holy Face item you&#8217;re using be blessed by a priest.</p></li></ol></li><li><p><em><strong>To assist, in as for as may be possible, at the monthly meetings</strong></em></p><ol><li><p>Fulfilling your meeting requirements for the Archconfraternity of the Holy Face only requires 1 meeting a month. 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Subscribe for free to receive new posts and support my work.</p></div><form class="subscription-widget-subscribe"><input type="email" class="email-input" name="email" placeholder="Type your email&#8230;" tabindex="-1"><input type="submit" class="button primary" value="Subscribe"><div class="fake-input-wrapper"><div class="fake-input"></div><div class="fake-button"></div></div></form></div></div>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Did Faith Alone Exist in the 3rd Century?]]></title><description><![CDATA[Well yes, but actually no, at least not according to the original commentary on Romans]]></description><link>https://lucasscottroberts.substack.com/p/did-faith-alone-exist-in-the-3rd</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://lucasscottroberts.substack.com/p/did-faith-alone-exist-in-the-3rd</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Lucas Scott Roberts]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Thu, 26 Dec 2024 13:59:47 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!FE6_!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe80c661c-ce4a-45b2-9762-bb8c95acf95c_706x426.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In case you&#8217;re just joining us, this is my 4th article regarding the Church Father Origen&#8217;s commentary on St. Paul&#8217;s letter to the Romans. This manuscript holds the unique distinction of being the oldest commentary on Romans that we have today. </p><p>In my first article I explained why I picked up this ancient work:</p><div class="digest-post-embed" data-attrs="{&quot;nodeId&quot;:&quot;a4b17dc5-813c-41c5-8817-9ad1a75302d8&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;If you&#8217;re familiar at all with the name &#8220;Origen&#8221; then you&#8217;ve probably heard that, while an original and important thinker , this church father died an unrepentant heretic. Anyone who decides to read his translated works should do so with multiple grains of proverbial salt. If you take Origen too seriously you will risk falling into the same heretical er&#8230;&quot;,&quot;cta&quot;:null,&quot;showBylines&quot;:true,&quot;showDescription&quot;:true,&quot;showImage&quot;:true,&quot;size&quot;:&quot;sm&quot;,&quot;isEditorNode&quot;:true,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;A Dude reads Origen reading Romans&quot;,&quot;publishedBylines&quot;:[{&quot;id&quot;:12112590,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Lucas Scott Roberts&quot;,&quot;bio&quot;:&quot;Good morning.&quot;,&quot;photo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/fddd9650-495e-476c-88a0-c5ee8cfc666a_122x112.png&quot;,&quot;is_guest&quot;:false,&quot;bestseller_tier&quot;:null}],&quot;post_date&quot;:&quot;2024-11-21T14:46:15.847Z&quot;,&quot;cover_image&quot;:&quot;https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F060c6fa1-3d1e-4569-b5fc-c948f8453428_536x571.png&quot;,&quot;cover_image_alt&quot;:null,&quot;canonical_url&quot;:&quot;https://lucasscottroberts.substack.com/p/a-dude-reads-origen-reading-romans&quot;,&quot;section_name&quot;:null,&quot;video_upload_id&quot;:null,&quot;id&quot;:151427512,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;newsletter&quot;,&quot;reaction_count&quot;:0,&quot;comment_count&quot;:1,&quot;publication_id&quot;:null,&quot;publication_name&quot;:&quot;Lucas Says Things&quot;,&quot;publication_logo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc2bacb54-4a95-4ab7-be04-6d62a0f70e19_112x112.png&quot;,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:false,&quot;youtube_url&quot;:null,&quot;show_links&quot;:null,&quot;feed_url&quot;:null}"></div><p>In my second article I responded to the libelous propaganda surrounding Origen:</p><div class="digest-post-embed" data-attrs="{&quot;nodeId&quot;:&quot;aa2c4171-2475-4b50-8f90-9367e2baf0b8&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;In my first article on Origen I briefly mentioned how for many in the early church and today Origen is a wellspring of material heresies.&quot;,&quot;cta&quot;:null,&quot;showBylines&quot;:true,&quot;showDescription&quot;:true,&quot;showImage&quot;:true,&quot;size&quot;:&quot;sm&quot;,&quot;isEditorNode&quot;:true,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;Origen: Church Father or Church's Crazy Uncle?&quot;,&quot;publishedBylines&quot;:[{&quot;id&quot;:12112590,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Lucas Scott Roberts&quot;,&quot;bio&quot;:&quot;Good morning.&quot;,&quot;photo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/fddd9650-495e-476c-88a0-c5ee8cfc666a_122x112.png&quot;,&quot;is_guest&quot;:false,&quot;bestseller_tier&quot;:null}],&quot;post_date&quot;:&quot;2024-11-29T18:14:31.846Z&quot;,&quot;cover_image&quot;:&quot;https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1828292e-1d4e-4487-8172-10fd5992f2b3_696x726.png&quot;,&quot;cover_image_alt&quot;:null,&quot;canonical_url&quot;:&quot;https://lucasscottroberts.substack.com/p/origen-church-father-or-churchs-crazy&quot;,&quot;section_name&quot;:null,&quot;video_upload_id&quot;:null,&quot;id&quot;:152059413,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;newsletter&quot;,&quot;reaction_count&quot;:2,&quot;comment_count&quot;:0,&quot;publication_id&quot;:null,&quot;publication_name&quot;:&quot;Lucas Says Things&quot;,&quot;publication_logo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc2bacb54-4a95-4ab7-be04-6d62a0f70e19_112x112.png&quot;,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:false,&quot;youtube_url&quot;:null,&quot;show_links&quot;:null,&quot;feed_url&quot;:null}"></div><p>In my third article I looked to see what Origen has to say regarding the doctrine of Predestination</p><div class="digest-post-embed" data-attrs="{&quot;nodeId&quot;:&quot;b81991f8-9b8d-4fb8-88aa-a06e95c447b0&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;This is part 3 of my series reviewing Origen&#8217;s Commentary on St. Paul&#8217;s letter to the Romans. In the first part I explained what lead me to pick up this commentary in the first place:&quot;,&quot;cta&quot;:null,&quot;showBylines&quot;:true,&quot;showDescription&quot;:true,&quot;showImage&quot;:true,&quot;size&quot;:&quot;sm&quot;,&quot;isEditorNode&quot;:true,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;Origen vs. Predestination&quot;,&quot;publishedBylines&quot;:[{&quot;id&quot;:12112590,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Lucas Scott Roberts&quot;,&quot;bio&quot;:&quot;Good morning.&quot;,&quot;photo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/fddd9650-495e-476c-88a0-c5ee8cfc666a_122x112.png&quot;,&quot;is_guest&quot;:false,&quot;bestseller_tier&quot;:null}],&quot;post_date&quot;:&quot;2024-12-09T14:27:39.625Z&quot;,&quot;cover_image&quot;:&quot;https://substackcdn.com/image/youtube/w_728,c_limit/4VXQIa7-Y58&quot;,&quot;cover_image_alt&quot;:null,&quot;canonical_url&quot;:&quot;https://lucasscottroberts.substack.com/p/origen-vs-predestination&quot;,&quot;section_name&quot;:null,&quot;video_upload_id&quot;:null,&quot;id&quot;:152511782,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;newsletter&quot;,&quot;reaction_count&quot;:1,&quot;comment_count&quot;:1,&quot;publication_id&quot;:null,&quot;publication_name&quot;:&quot;Lucas Says Things&quot;,&quot;publication_logo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc2bacb54-4a95-4ab7-be04-6d62a0f70e19_112x112.png&quot;,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:false,&quot;youtube_url&quot;:null,&quot;show_links&quot;:null,&quot;feed_url&quot;:null}"></div><p>Now it&#8217;s time, it&#8217;s finally time to get to the doctrine that initially drew me to pick up Origen&#8217;s commentary in the first place; Faith Alone, the doctrine that teaches all you need to be saved is to place Faith Alone in Jesus, no works required. Was this an accepted teaching in the early church? In <a href="https://a.co/d/7upA2f3">Matthew Thomas&#8217; work &#8220;Paul's "Works of the Law" in the Perspective of Second-Century Reception&#8221;</a> the answer seems to be no. The Early Church Fathers Thomas cites seem to take Paul&#8217;s critique of &#8220;works&#8221; as criticisms of the old and abrogated Mosaic Law. According to them Paul was teaching the Church to put their faith in Christ and to stop placing their faith in the &#8220;Works of the Law&#8221;. They did not take Paul to mean that works or obedience were not required under the New Covenant. But as Thomas concedes, Justification and the role Works play in the New Covenant is not dealt with in a thorough and systematic manner in the 2nd century writings that exist today.</p><p>Which is what makes Origen&#8217;s commentary on Romans so interesting. As previously mentioned, Origen wrote the earliest commentary on Romans we have in existence. And <a href="/__u/open.substack.com/pub/lucasscottroberts/p/origen-vs-predestination?r=77m4u&amp;utm_campaign=post&amp;utm_medium=web&amp;showWelcomeOnShare=true">even though Origen wrote the commentary to battle the &#8220;Nature Gnostic Heretics&#8221;</a> he inevitably addresses Justification since Justification is one of the major themes of Paul&#8217;s letter. We may not have a thorough treatise of Justification in the 2nd century, but with Origen we can see what he understood Justification to be, and perhaps the view of his 3rd century contemporaries.</p><p>Now you might be thinking, &#8220;well regardless of what Origen did or didn&#8217;t think, Paul said &#8220;we are saved by faith apart from works&#8221;, ergo this is a pretty open/shut case. We&#8217;re saved by Faith Alone.&#8221; Let&#8217;s take a step back for a second. One of the issues we run into when reading Paul is the fact that he used the same word to mean different things depending on the context. When Paul is speaking on works, is he speaking on &#8220;works of the law&#8221;, &#8220;works of of the flesh&#8221;, or just &#8220;works&#8221; in general. If he&#8217;s talking about &#8220;works of the law&#8221;, does he mean Mosaic Law? Natural Law? Divine Law? Origen makes a compelling case that Paul cites many different types of law right from the get/go.</p><div class="pullquote"><p>We have to consider whether it is not <strong>natural law, which dwells in all men generally</strong>, that makes it so that nearly <strong>all people commit sin against the law</strong>, as he says in what follows, &#8220;For when Gentiles, who do not possess the law, do naturally the things of the law, they, though though not having the law, do naturally the things of the law, are a law unto themselves. They show the work of the law is written on their hearts. (Romans 2:14-15)</p><p>Book 2, Chapter 8, Paragraph 2</p></div><p>Origen points out that Paul goes through great lengths to explain the differences between the law that Israel was given vs. the law that the gentiles had written on their hearts. Obviously gentiles weren&#8217;t on Mt. Sinai receiving the Mosaic Law. But does that mean they can&#8217;t sin? Of course not! Then we must recognize that there are different types of laws.</p><div class="pullquote"><p>He says, &#8220;Shall all who have sinned under the law be judged by the law?&#8221; Undoubtedly he who is under the law of Christ will be judged by the law of Christ, and he who is under the law of Moses by the law of Moses. For he who is under Christ&#8217;s law should not be considered to be one who is to be judged by the law of Moses, even though he may appear to be subjected to Moses&#8217; law. <strong>He will not be judged for his failure to recieve circumcision or for the fact that he does not observe the Sabbath</strong>. For even if he should be considered to be judged according to the law that is spiritual (Romans 7:14), <strong>for it is not the hearer of the law but the doer who is justified</strong> (Romans 2:13; James 1:22-25)</p><p>Book 2, Chapter 8, Paragraph 3</p></div><p>There are different types of laws, and Christians are subject to Christ&#8217;s law. A Christian who is a doer of Christ&#8217;s law is justified, after all. </p><p>So did Origen share a Protestant understanding of Justification? Turns out he was the first Church Father to say that we are saved by Faith Alone!</p><div class="pullquote"><p>(Commenting on Romans 3:27-28) In this current passage, the Apostle, as if establishing the conclusion of his previous arguments, now says, &#8220;Where then is your boasting? It is excluded. Through what law? That or works? No, but through the law of faith. For we hold that a man is justified through faith without works of the law.&#8221; <strong>He is saying that the justification of faith  alone suffices</strong>, so that even the <strong>one who</strong> <strong>only believes is justified, even if he has not accomplished a single work.</strong></p><p>Book 3, Chapter 9, Paragraph 2</p></div><p>If that&#8217;s not a clear teaching of Faith Alone, I don&#8217;t know what is.</p><p>But wait, there&#8217;s more!</p><div class="pullquote"><p>It is incumbent upon us, therefore, as those who are attempting to defend the harmoniousness of the Apostle&#8217;s writings and to establish that they are entirely consistent in their arrangement, that we should ask: <strong>Who has been justified by faith alone without works of the law?</strong> Thus, in my opinion, <strong>that thief who was crucified with Christ should survive for a suitable example</strong>. He called out to him from the cross, &#8220;Lord Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom! (Luke 23:43)&#8221; <strong>In the Gospels nothing else is recorded about his good works but for the sake of this faith alone Jesus said to him, &#8220;Truly I say to you: Today you will be with me in paradise.&#8221;</strong> If it seems appropriate, let us now apply the words of the Apostle Paul to the case of this thief and say to the Jews, &#8220;Where then is your boasting?&#8221; Certainly it is excluded, but excluded not through the law of works but through the law of faith. For through faith this thief was justified without works of the law, since the Lord did not require in addition to this that he should first accomplish works, nor did he wait for him to perform some works when he had believe. <strong>But by his confession alone</strong> the one who was about to begin his journey to paradise received him as a justified traveling companion with himself.</p><p>Book 3, Chapter 9, Paragraph 3</p></div><p>Protestant&#8217;s often point to the example of the thief on the cross as the epitome of Faith Alone saving, and Origen defends the Faith Alone position citing that very example here. Well there you go, Faith Alone was present in the early church!</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!FE6_!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe80c661c-ce4a-45b2-9762-bb8c95acf95c_706x426.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!FE6_!, /__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/w_424, /__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/c_limit, /__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/f_webp, /__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/q_auto:good, /__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe80c661c-ce4a-45b2-9762-bb8c95acf95c_706x426.png 424w, /__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!FE6_!, /__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/w_848, 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lax and negligent in doing good</strong>, if in fact faith alone suffices for him to be justified. To this person we shall say that <strong>if anyone acts unjustly after justification, it is scarcely to be doubted that he has rejected the grace of justification.</strong> </p><p>Book 3, Chapter 9, Paragraph 4</p></div><p>Origen, are you saying there&#8217;s no &#8220;Once saved, always saved&#8221;?</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!hZLc!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ffbd5a89a-0223-4e33-a3b2-0058b5a82ed4_414x336.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!hZLc!, /__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/w_424, /__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/c_limit, /__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/f_webp, /__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/q_auto:good, 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Corinthians 9:27 to demonstrate that Paul wasn&#8217;t sure of his future salvation,</a> and if Paul didn&#8217;t presume his salvation than neither should we? While it is true that Origen did teach that faith alone saves, it&#8217;s important to note that he differed significantly with Protestants on other issues regarding Justification. He very clearly did not share a &#8220;Once Saved, Always Saved&#8221; belief. Over and over again he stresses the importance of staying saved.</p><p>But what does Origen do with Romans 4 where Paul says that we&#8217;re saved by faith just like Abraham was saved by faith? The whole point of the Abraham citation is how Abraham has his Faith Alone counted as righteousness simply for believing in God&#8217;s promises. </p><blockquote><p>What shall we say then that Abraham hath found, who is our father according to the flesh.  For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory, but not before God.  For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was reputed to him unto justice. </p><ul><li><p>Romans 4:1-3</p></li></ul></blockquote><p>Here&#8217;s the passage Paul is citing:</p><blockquote><p>Abram believed God, and it was reputed to him unto justice. </p><ul><li><p>Genesis 15:6</p></li></ul></blockquote><p>Do you believe? Then you&#8217;re saved! Simple as that.</p><p>Origen does address this and, I&#8217;m going to be honest: I felt really stupid when I first read the following:</p><div class="pullquote"><p>It must be very acutely examined to determine whether it is said that &#8220;his faith was reckoned as righteousness&#8221; merely on account of the fact that he believed that a son was going to be given him and that from his offspring were going to be produced like the multitude of the stars; or <strong>was it on account of this and everything which he had already believed beforehand?</strong> For it <strong>ought</strong> <strong>not be supposed that without faith he would have departed from his own homeland</strong> and from his own father&#8217;s relatives and have gone to a land which God had showed him (Genesis 12:1). <strong>Nor was faith absent when Lot separated from him</strong> and the Lord said to him, &#8220;Raise your eyes and look from this place where you are standing, and look to the north and south and to the west and to the east; for all this land that you see I will give to you and to your descendants forever&#8221; (Genesis 13:14-15). And who is going to say that when Abraham went and <strong>dwelled among the oaks of Mamre in Hebron and build there an altar to the Lord, it was done without faith</strong> (Genesis 13:18)? Furthermore, <strong>was it not also a work of faith</strong> <strong>when Melchizedek blessed Abraham</strong> and said, &#8220;Blessed be Abraham by God Most High, who created heaven and earth; and blessed be God Most High, who has delivered his enemies into his hands (Genesis 14:19-20)?</p><p>Book 4, Chapter 1, Paragraph 9</p></div><p>I had never asked myself this question before; was Genesis 15:6 the first time Abraham believed God? Abraham&#8217;s story doesn&#8217;t start in Genesis 15. It starts much  earlier and records several instances when Abraham used faith. Abraham HAD to have faith in God in order to leave his family and follow God. He HAD to have faith when he chased after his kidnapped nephew Lot. In fact, far from demonstrating that Faith Alone saved Abraham, Genesis 15:6 begs the question; why did Abraham have to wait until Genesis 15:6 before his faith saved him?</p><p>Luckily Origen offers a solution:</p><div class="pullquote"><p>From all these episodes it is inferred that Abraham possessed faith in each individual instance <strong>but only in part.</strong> However, in that story where it is said, &#8220;his faith was reckoned to him as righteousness,&#8221; <strong>his faith should be declared perfect</strong>. For just as the Apostle says that knowledge and prophecy are in part, but, in contrast, says that they are perfect when he writes &#8220;For we know in part, and we prophesy in part; but when the perfect comes, the things which are in part will be set aside, (1 Corinthians 13:9-10)&#8221; in the same way we can understand that <strong>faith is sometimes in part and sometimes perfect.</strong></p><p>Book 4, Chapter 1, Paragraph 10</p></div><p>Through trials, tribulations, and even works, Abraham had his faith perfected. Paul&#8217;s citation of Genesis 15:6 isn&#8217;t Paul saying works and obedience are not required in the New Covenant. Paul&#8217;s whole point was that Abraham&#8217;s faith saved him BEFORE God instituted the rite of circumcision. Paul is saying that faith was always the saving factor, both in the old and new covenants. Just because the works of the Mosaic law do not save, it does not follow that we can disobey the law of Christ and still expect to be saved. Abraham had to believe and obey. And believe and obey again. And again. And continue obeying through Genesis 15:6 all the way to Genesis 20:10 where he moves to sacrifice Isaac, where James confirms Abraham was justified&#8230;again!</p><blockquote><p>Was not Abraham our father justified by works, offering up Isaac his son upon the altar? Seest thou, that faith did co-operate with his works; and by works faith was made perfect? And the scripture was fulfilled, saying: Abraham believed God, and it was reputed to him to justice, and he was called the friend of God.</p><ul><li><p>James 2:21-23</p></li></ul></blockquote><p>I&#8217;ll let Origen explain:</p><div class="pullquote"><p>For there is no common ground between faith and infidelity; there is no communion of righteousness with wickedness, just as light can have no fellowship with darkness (2 Corinthians 6:14-15). For if &#8220;he who believe that Jesus is the Christ has been born of God (1 John 5:1)&#8221; and &#8220;he who has been born of God does not sin (1 John 3:9; 5:18)&#8221;, <strong>it is plain that he who believes in Jesus Christ does not sin; and that if he sins, it is certain that he does not believe in him. Therefore the proof of true faith is that sin is not being committed, just as, on the contrary, where sin is being committed, there you have proof of unbelief.</strong> For this reason that is is also said of Abraham in another passage of Scripture that he was justified by the works of faith (James 2:21-22). For it is certain that he who truly believes works the work of faith and righteousness and of complete goodness and becomes capable of both kinds of boasting: both that which is in secret before God as well as that which is openly visible and is not only before God.</p><p>-Book 4, Chapter 1, Paragraph 6</p></div><p>I always wondered how Abraham could be justified AGAIN in Genesis 20:10 if he had already been forensically justified in Genesis 15:6. Origen&#8217;s explanation makes sense of why we don&#8217;t have the Protestant understanding of Justification in the early church. We have to work out our faith with fear and trembling. We can&#8217;t take our salvation for granted, we can&#8217;t presume our standing with God.</p><p>But what&#8217;s all this about &#8220;perfect faith&#8221;? Either you believe or you don&#8217;t, right? Is there a faith spectrum? I&#8217;ll let Origen answer that:</p><div class="pullquote"><p>When I have recourse to the Scriptures, I do not find faith reckoned to every believer as righteousness. After all, it is written of the sons of Israel, &#8220;They believed in God and his servant Moses (Exodus 14:31)&#8221;, however <strong>it is not added that it was reckoned to them as righteousness, as was written about Abraham</strong>. This leads me to believe that in their case <strong>they did not possess the perfection of faith</strong>, collected together from many parts into one whole, which deserves to be reckoned as righteousness, as we taught to be the case for Abraham.</p><p>Book 4, Chapter 1, Paragraph 12</p></div><p>Even though the Israelites believed in God and Moses the majority of them fell in the desert. </p><blockquote><p>For I would not have you ignorant, brethren, that our fathers were all under the cloud, and all passed through the sea.  And all in Moses were baptized, in the cloud, and in the sea:  And did all eat the same spiritual food,  And all drank the same spiritual drink; (and they drank of the spiritual rock that followed them, and the rock was Christ.)  <strong>But with most of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the desert.</strong></p><ul><li><p>1 Corinthians 10:1-5</p></li></ul></blockquote><p>They did not possess the perfection of faith as Origen said, and perished in the desert as a result. The fact that our faith needs to grow helps explain why the Apostles would ask for their faith to be increased and why Jesus would compare faith to a mustard seed (Luke 17:5-6), an analogy that demonstrates that faith needs to grow over time. If your faith fails to grow, well, there&#8217;s consequences. A lack of faith will get you chopped off of the tree of life, as Origen exegetes from the following passage:</p><blockquote><p>And if some of the branches be broken, and thou, being a wild olive, art ingrafted in them, and art made partaker of the root, and of the fatness of the olive tree,  Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.  Thou wilt say then: The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in.  Well: because of unbelief they were broken off. But thou standest by faith: be not highminded, but fear.</p><p>Romans 11:17-20</p></blockquote><p>Interesting that Paul admonishes those of us who believe by faith to fear, which matches his similar admonitions in 1 Corinthians 9:27 and Philippians 2:12. Here&#8217;s Origen&#8217;s take on this passage:</p><div class="pullquote"><p>After this the Apostle teaches us not to be exalted against the branches that were broken off, the Israelites, nor to insult them; for we do not support the root, but the root supports us. &#8220;For we have nothing that we have not received. But if we have received it, why do we boast as if we had not received it? (1 Corinthians 4:7)&#8221;. Then next, as if addressing certain people who are arrogantly insulting them and saying, &#8220;If the branches were broken off, very well; they were broken off on account of unbelief, so that I who was believing could be engrafted,&#8221; the Apostle therefore, wanting to restrain them, says: They were indeed broken off through unbelief, and you were engrafted through faith and you stand in faith, but remember that &#8220;everyone who exalts himself will be humbled (Luke 18:14)&#8221; and therefore &#8220;do not become arrogant minded&#8221;; do not speak such high and haughty things! For although you may stand in the root and you may stand well, <strong>nevertheless you ought to be afraid when you consider the fact that the others, whom you are insulting, also stood where you are standing</strong>. And you, though you were not there, were transferred in from elsewhere to the root of this olive tree and <strong>it is possible also for you to sin.</strong> For even this in itself, that <strong>you are haught and exalted, you are already sinning</strong>. And be aware that &#8220;if God did not spare the natural branches, neither will he spare you&#8221;.</p><p>-Book 8, Chapter 11, Paragraph 9</p></div><p>The reason we don&#8217;t boast, the reason we don&#8217;t take our justification by Faith Alone for granted is because we can lose our salvation. The Israelites had Faith Alone initially (Exodus 14:31), but that Faith Alone didn&#8217;t end up saving them. The natural branches were not spared. Neither will we be spared if fail to abide. </p><div class="directMessage button" data-attrs="{&quot;userId&quot;:12112590,&quot;userName&quot;:&quot;Lucas Scott Roberts&quot;,&quot;canDm&quot;:null,&quot;dmUpgradeOptions&quot;:null,&quot;isEditorNode&quot;:true}" data-component-name="DirectMessageToDOM"></div><p>Thank you Origen for this wonderful, thought provoking commentary on Romans. 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predestination.]]></description><link>https://lucasscottroberts.substack.com/p/origen-vs-predestination</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://lucasscottroberts.substack.com/p/origen-vs-predestination</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Lucas Scott Roberts]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 09 Dec 2024 14:27:39 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/youtube/w_728,c_limit/4VXQIa7-Y58" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is part 3 of my series reviewing Origen&#8217;s Commentary on St. Paul&#8217;s letter to the Romans. In the first part I explained what lead me to pick up this commentary in the first place:</p><div class="digest-post-embed" data-attrs="{&quot;nodeId&quot;:&quot;aa7f0f94-c86b-47b9-9b25-e126a9c40a86&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;If you&#8217;re familiar at all with the name &#8220;Origen&#8221; then you&#8217;ve probably heard that, while an original and important thinker , this church father died an unrepentant heretic. Anyone who decides to read his translated works should do so with multiple grains of proverbial salt. If you take Origen too seriously you will risk falling into the same heretical er&#8230;&quot;,&quot;cta&quot;:null,&quot;showBylines&quot;:true,&quot;showDescription&quot;:true,&quot;showImage&quot;:true,&quot;size&quot;:&quot;sm&quot;,&quot;isEditorNode&quot;:true,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;A Dude reads Origen reading Romans&quot;,&quot;publishedBylines&quot;:[{&quot;id&quot;:12112590,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Lucas Scott Roberts&quot;,&quot;bio&quot;:&quot;Good morning.&quot;,&quot;photo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/fddd9650-495e-476c-88a0-c5ee8cfc666a_122x112.png&quot;,&quot;is_guest&quot;:false,&quot;bestseller_tier&quot;:null}],&quot;post_date&quot;:&quot;2024-11-21T14:46:15.847Z&quot;,&quot;cover_image&quot;:&quot;https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F060c6fa1-3d1e-4569-b5fc-c948f8453428_536x571.png&quot;,&quot;cover_image_alt&quot;:null,&quot;canonical_url&quot;:&quot;https://lucasscottroberts.substack.com/p/a-dude-reads-origen-reading-romans&quot;,&quot;section_name&quot;:null,&quot;video_upload_id&quot;:null,&quot;id&quot;:151427512,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;newsletter&quot;,&quot;reaction_count&quot;:0,&quot;comment_count&quot;:1,&quot;publication_id&quot;:null,&quot;publication_name&quot;:&quot;Lucas Says Things&quot;,&quot;publication_logo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc2bacb54-4a95-4ab7-be04-6d62a0f70e19_112x112.png&quot;,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:false,&quot;youtube_url&quot;:null,&quot;show_links&quot;:null,&quot;feed_url&quot;:null}"></div><p>In the second article I considered the accusations of Origen&#8217;s supposed heresies, and I found them lacking:</p><div class="digest-post-embed" data-attrs="{&quot;nodeId&quot;:&quot;984b65c1-b397-4d7d-9837-32455b464624&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;In my first article on Origen I briefly mentioned how for many in the early church and today Origen is a wellspring of material heresies. He believed in the pre-existence of souls. He castrated himself, a practice that was later condemned at Nicea. He was an unrepentant Universalist who believed that everyone went to heaven one day. Sure, we can conside&#8230;&quot;,&quot;cta&quot;:null,&quot;showBylines&quot;:true,&quot;showDescription&quot;:true,&quot;showImage&quot;:true,&quot;size&quot;:&quot;sm&quot;,&quot;isEditorNode&quot;:true,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;Origen: Church Father or Church's Crazy Uncle?&quot;,&quot;publishedBylines&quot;:[{&quot;id&quot;:12112590,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Lucas Scott Roberts&quot;,&quot;bio&quot;:&quot;Good morning.&quot;,&quot;photo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/fddd9650-495e-476c-88a0-c5ee8cfc666a_122x112.png&quot;,&quot;is_guest&quot;:false,&quot;bestseller_tier&quot;:null}],&quot;post_date&quot;:&quot;2024-11-29T18:14:31.846Z&quot;,&quot;cover_image&quot;:&quot;https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1828292e-1d4e-4487-8172-10fd5992f2b3_696x726.png&quot;,&quot;cover_image_alt&quot;:null,&quot;canonical_url&quot;:&quot;https://lucasscottroberts.substack.com/p/origen-church-father-or-churchs-crazy&quot;,&quot;section_name&quot;:null,&quot;video_upload_id&quot;:null,&quot;id&quot;:152059413,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;newsletter&quot;,&quot;reaction_count&quot;:2,&quot;comment_count&quot;:0,&quot;publication_id&quot;:null,&quot;publication_name&quot;:&quot;Lucas Says Things&quot;,&quot;publication_logo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc2bacb54-4a95-4ab7-be04-6d62a0f70e19_112x112.png&quot;,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:false,&quot;youtube_url&quot;:null,&quot;show_links&quot;:null,&quot;feed_url&quot;:null}"></div><p>With those out of the way I&#8217;d like to consider what Origen has to say regarding 2 important issues for me; Predestination and Justification. Both of these topics are covered by St. Paul in his letter to the Romans. What did Origen take Paul&#8217;s words to mean? Is Origen&#8217;s understanding of Romans more in line with a particular Protestant denomination? Catholic? Did Origen believe in doctrines like Double Predestination or Faith Alone?</p><p>I grew up as a Reformed Protestant which highly stresses Faith Alone and Predestination. Reformed Protestants are a particular set of denominations that place a high emphasis on the sovereignty of God. They believe in doctrines like Limited Atonement, that Christ only died for His elect, not the reprobate or the damned. All things happen according to God&#8217;s will. Nothing happens without God signing off on it, including your loved ones&#8217;  reprobation. But don&#8217;t worry; you&#8217;ll be so sanctified when you get to heaven that you&#8217;ll take joy in the eternal torment of your reprobate loved ones!</p><p>No, that&#8217;s not hyperbole, that&#8217;s a real Calvinist teaching:</p><div id="youtube2-4VXQIa7-Y58" class="youtube-wrap" data-attrs="{&quot;videoId&quot;:&quot;4VXQIa7-Y58&quot;,&quot;startTime&quot;:null,&quot;endTime&quot;:null}" data-component-name="Youtube2ToDOM"><div class="youtube-inner"><iframe src="https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/4VXQIa7-Y58?rel=0&amp;autoplay=0&amp;showinfo=0&amp;enablejsapi=0" frameborder="0" loading="lazy" gesture="media" allow="autoplay; fullscreen" allowautoplay="true" allowfullscreen="true" width="728" height="409"></iframe></div></div><p>You might find this teaching horrifying, but Catholics should take pause: there&#8217;s Double Predestination in Catholicism too:</p><div id="youtube2-85H4Wcev03E" class="youtube-wrap" data-attrs="{&quot;videoId&quot;:&quot;85H4Wcev03E&quot;,&quot;startTime&quot;:null,&quot;endTime&quot;:null}" data-component-name="Youtube2ToDOM"><div class="youtube-inner"><iframe src="https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/85H4Wcev03E?rel=0&amp;autoplay=0&amp;showinfo=0&amp;enablejsapi=0" frameborder="0" loading="lazy" gesture="media" allow="autoplay; fullscreen" allowautoplay="true" allowfullscreen="true" width="728" height="409"></iframe></div></div><p>Before we go too far down this rabbit hole let&#8217;s ask; what did Origen take Paul to mean when Paul spoke on Predestination?</p><p>Funny enough, Origen seems to have been motivated to write his commentary by certain heretics who taught a peculiar doctrine regarding Predestination. This group of Gnostics taught that there were 3 categories of people:</p><p>1) The ones with a "spiritual" nature have access to the gnosis of salvation because Jesus gave it to them before the foundation of world was established.</p><p>2) The ones with a "soulish" nature were members of the church who have access to salvation through faith and good works</p><p>3) The ones with a "natural" nature have no chance at salvation since Jesus does not give them the gnosis.</p><p>With my Calvinist background, I immediately made a connection between the &#8220;spiritual&#8221; nature with the elect, and the &#8220;natural&#8221; nature with the reprobate. Calvinists don&#8217;t really recognize the &#8220;soulish&#8221; class that these heretics believed in. But Calvinists do share this idea that before the foundation of the world God gave different people certain natures, and these natures were not given based on any future merits. God, according to His own will and purpose, selects the &#8220;spiritual&#8221;-elect and damns the &#8220;natural&#8221;-reprobate.</p><p>Origen has these heretics in mind as he introduces his audience to his commentary:</p><div class="pullquote"><p>&#8230;because he (Paul) stirs up very many questions in the letter and <strong>the heretics</strong>, especially propping themselves up on these, are accustomed to add that the <strong>cause of each person&#8217;s actions is not to be attributed to one&#8217;s own purpose but to different kinds of natures.</strong></p><p>-Preface of Origen, 1.1</p></div><p>Origen is deeply concerned that Christians will chalk up their salvation to fate and neglect to undergo the necessary works that ensure they stay grafted into the tree of life. If the Apostle Paul is concerned about the state of his own soul:</p><blockquote><p>But I chastise my body, and bring it into subjection: lest perhaps, when I have preached to others, <strong>I myself should become a castaway.</strong></p><ul><li><p>1 Corinthians 9:27</p></li></ul></blockquote><p>Then Origen wants Christians to stay vigilant about the state of their own souls as well.</p><div class="pullquote"><p>In order that you might know that the cause of each person&#8217;s salvation is not placed in the foreknowledge of God but in one&#8217;s own purpose and actions, observe Paul as he expresses fear, lest perhaps <strong>after he has preached to others he himself might be rejected</strong>, and so he punishes his own body and subjects it to slavery.</p><p>-Book 7, Chapter 8, Paragraph 7</p></div><p>Aha, so Origen taught that God didn&#8217;t use predestination, He saves those whom He knew were going to do good works? Origen was a Pelagian heretic then!</p><p>Not so fast.</p><p>We&#8217;ll get into Origen&#8217;s supposed Pelagian leanings in the next article when we tackle Justification, but it&#8217;s clear from his commentary on Romans that he did not believe anyone could do good works without God giving them the grace to do it:</p><div class="pullquote"><p>But when I consider the majesty of this passage (Romans 4:4-5) in which he says that to the one who works it is repaid as something due, <strong>I can hardly convince myself that there could be any work which would demand from God repayment as something due</strong>. For even t<strong>he fact that we are able to do anything at all</strong>, to think and to speak, <strong>we do through his gift and generosity.</strong></p><p>Book 4, Chapter 1, Paragraph 14</p></div><p>Alright so which is it? Does God predestine us based on what we do, or does He randomly predestine His elect and randomly passes over the reprobate? And further, how does Origen dance around this cut and dry passage in Romans:</p><blockquote><p>For when the children were not yet born, nor had done any good or evil (that the purpose of God, according to election, might stand,)  <strong>Not of works, but of him that calleth</strong>, it was said to her: The elder shall serve the younger. As it is written: Jacob I have loved, but Esau I have hated.</p><ul><li><p>Romans 9:11-13</p></li></ul></blockquote><p>How does Origen escape the only logical conclusion, that Jacob was elected and Esau passed over because God wanted to, not because of anything Jacob and Esau did or wanted?</p><p>Before we address this point, let&#8217;s look at Origen addressing Predestination in an earlier passage, called by Calvinists the &#8220;Golden Chain of Redemption&#8221;:</p><blockquote><p>And we know that to them that love God, all things work together unto good, to such as, <strong>according to his purpose, are called to be saints</strong>. For whom he foreknew, <strong>he also predestinated</strong> to be made conformable to the image of his Son; that he might be the firstborn amongst many brethren.  <strong>And whom he predestinated, them he also called. And whom he called, them he also justified. And whom he justified, them he also glorified.</strong></p><ul><li><p>Romans 8:28-30</p></li></ul></blockquote><p>Again we see God&#8217;s sovereignty at work in the plan of salvation. Those whom God calls He predestines. The predestined are called, justified and glorified. This formula demonstrates that man plays no role in their salvation.</p><p>Except there&#8217;s a tiny detail we&#8217;re glossing over that Origen wants the Nature Heretics to respond too. Who does God predestine again? Those He FOREKNEW. Origen asks; if God predestined everyone irrespective of their choices then how does God&#8217;s foreknowledge play any role at all in His election process? It makes no sense for God to use His knowledge of the future if He&#8217;s already made the decision of who is saved and damned. The fact that foreknowledge PRECEDES predestination should give everyone pause before asserting that this passage demonstrates that man&#8217;s free will is not a factor that God considers in his plan of salvation.</p><p>Ok Origen, then what do you do with this passage?</p><blockquote><p>Thou wilt say therefore to me: Why doth he then find fault? <strong>For who resisteth his will?</strong>  O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it: Why hast thou made me thus? Or hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump, to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much patience vessels of wrath, fitted for destruction, That he might shew the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he hath prepared unto glory?</p><ul><li><p>Romans 9:19-23</p></li></ul></blockquote><p>If the Golden Chain passage didn&#8217;t convince you that man&#8217;s free will play absolutely no role in your salvation, then how do you escape the fact that God creates vessels for honor and vessels for wrath? If you were predestined to be a vessel of honor, great! If you were predestined to be a vessel of wrath, well too bad but there&#8217;s nothing you can do about it, it&#8217;s already been predestined.</p><p>Origen points out that this isn&#8217;t the only time that Paul uses the &#8220;honorable/dishonorable vessel&#8221; metaphor. Origen points to this other passage:</p><blockquote><p>But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and silver, but also of wood and earth: and <strong>some indeed unto honour, but some unto dishonour.</strong></p><ul><li><p>2 Timothy 2:20</p></li></ul></blockquote><p>Now if Paul believed that you had no choice as to what type of vessel you are, whether you were predestined for honorable or dishonorable use, then why does Paul then go on to give the following directions?</p><blockquote><p><strong>If any man therefore shall cleanse himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified and profitable to the Lord, prepared unto every good work.</strong> But flee thou youthful desires, and pursue justice, faith, charity, and peace, with them that call on the Lord out of a pure heart.  And avoid foolish and unlearned questions, knowing that they beget strifes.  But the servant of the Lord must not wrangle: but be mild towards all men, apt to teach, patient,  With modesty admonishing them that resist the truth: if peradventure God may give them repentance to know the truth, <strong>And they may recover themselves from the snares of the devil, by whom they are held captive at his will.</strong></p><ul><li><p>2 Timothy 2:21-26</p></li></ul></blockquote><p>Origen asks us; if Paul truly taught that God has already made His election and there&#8217;s nothing you or I can do about it, then why would he give Timothy these directions showing us how to turn ourselves from a dishonorable vessel to an honorable vessel? </p><div class="pullquote"><p>It follows, therefore, <strong>that whoever has not cleansed himself</strong> and has not washed away the stains of sin through repentance, <strong>he would be a vessel for reproach</strong>. But even if, through the hardness of his mind and the impenitence of his heart, he should grow in wickedness and should completely scorn being converted, he will not become not merely a vessel of reproach but a <strong>vessel of wrath</strong>. So then, the understanding that he closed off there to those who demanded it in an unworthy manner, through which even that which he set forth before about <strong>Jacob and Esau is explained more clearly</strong>. For, in order for Jacob to have been a vessel for honor, sanctified and useful to the Lord, prepared for every good work, <strong>his soul had cleansed itself</strong>; and God, seeing its purity, having the authority to make from the same mass one vessel for honor, another for reproach, he made Jacob, who, as we have said, had indeed cleansed himself, into a vessel for honor. <strong>But from the same mass he made Esau into a vessel for reproach</strong>, whose soul he saw was neither so pure nor so simple. But in order that you might know that Jacob was made into a vessel for honor because of the purity and simplicity of his soul, listen to how Holy Scripture bears testimony to his simplicity. It says, &#8220;Jacob was a simple man, dwelling in a house&#8221; (Genesis 25:27). On this account, then, the Apostle says about these men that before they were born it is said of them, &#8220;Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.&#8221;</p><p>-Book 7, Chapter 18, Paragraph 7</p></div><p>Jacob was chosen, not because of his works, Origen points how Paul makes it undeniably clear that works are not the basis of salvation. God had foreknowledge of Jacob&#8217;s &#8220;purity&#8221; and elected Jacob to persevere based on Jacob&#8217;s purity. Esau was passed over due to God&#8217;s foreknowledge of Esau&#8217;s lack of repentance.</p><p>Now wait a minute, you might be saying, which is it? Does God elect based on our merits or based on His own purposes? It seems like Origen wants it both ways. He wants to affirm Paul and say that our election is not based on our works, but then he talks about &#8220;soul purity&#8221;, that God bases His election upon His foreknowledge of us choosing Him. Well isn&#8217;t that merit-based, us choosing God?</p><p>But if we were to grant this premise, that our choosing God is a merit that compels Him to elect us, then we&#8217;re back at our earlier conundrum, &#8220;What does God foreknow before He predestinates us?&#8221; Remember, Paul placed &#8220;foreknow&#8221; before &#8220;predestine&#8221; in the &#8220;Golden Chain of Redemption&#8221;. We know it&#8217;s not our works that God is foreknowing since we cannot merit our salvation. So what is it?</p><p>Origen&#8217;s solution seems to say it&#8217;s not works, but our response to the free gift of grace that&#8217;s the deciding factor. God gives grace to the world freely and predestines those whom He foreknows responds to the gift of grace. But the gifts of faith and perseverance are not given randomly, nor is it impossible to be given the gift of faith and perseverance if we sincerely ask. Even St. Augustine, the doctor of the Church who really formalized our understanding of predestination <a href="https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/15122.htm">affirms as much</a>:</p><div class="pullquote"><p>That teacher, therefore, understands that we are asking from Him for perseverance in sanctification, that is, <strong>that we should persevere in sanctification</strong>, when we who are sanctified say, <strong>&#8220;Hallowed be Your name.&#8221;</strong>  For what else is it to ask for what we have already received, than <strong>that it be given to us also not to cease from its possession</strong>? As, therefore, the saint, when he asks God that he may be holy, is certainly asking that he may continue to be holy, so certainly the chaste person also, when he asks that he may be chaste, the continent that he may be continent, the righteous that he may be righteous, the pious that he may be pious, and the like &#8212; which things, against the Pelagians, we maintain to be God's gifts, &#8212; are asking, without doubt, that they may persevere in those good things which they have acknowledged that they have received. And if they receive this, assuredly they also receive perseverance itself, the great gift of God, whereby His other gifts are preserved.</p><p>-St. Augustine, &#8220;On the Predestination of the Saints&#8221;, Chapter 4</p></div><p>It&#8217;s interesting that St. Augustine was NOT a proponent of &#8220;once saved, always saved&#8221;, since here he is admonishing his readers to pray the Lord&#8217;s Prayer fervently in order to, among other things, beseech the Lord for the gift of perseverance. God answers prayer, He&#8217;s not bound to reject someone whom He&#8217;s endowed with a &#8220;natural&#8221; reprobate nature. We can ask for the gift of perseverance and have faith that God will hear and answer us.</p><div class="pullquote"><p>This gift of God, therefore, may be obtained by prayer</p><p>-St. Augustine, &#8220;On the Predestination of the Saints&#8221;, Chapter 10</p></div><p>In my studying of Origen&#8217;s commentary I&#8217;ve come across plenty of arguments that pit Origen vs. Augustine. Origen was &#8220;the first Pelagian&#8221; who downplayed God&#8217;s sovereignty in regards to our salvation, and afterwards Augustine had to clean up the Church&#8217;s soteriology against the Pelagian heretics who took Origen&#8217;s arguments to their logical conclusions. It&#8217;s important to remember that Origen and Augustine were battling 2 different types of heretics.</p><p>Augustine was fighting Pelagians who insisted that man could compel God to save them through good works.</p><p>Origen was fighting Nature Gnostics who insisted that God never intended to save the reprobate. </p><p>Nature Gnostics and Pelagians are on 2 completely opposite ends of the Soteriology spectrum. Does that mean that Augustine agreed with Origen&#8217;s take on Predestination? I&#8217;ll let Augustinians answer that question. I&#8217;m sure they would have a problem with Origen&#8217;s proposal, that God foreknows the &#8220;soul purity&#8221; and uses that foreknowledge to elect them. But it&#8217;s important to remember that Origen was not a Pelagian heretic, he makes it very clear that nobody is saved because of their works and every work we engage in is itself a gift from God.</p><p>I can&#8217;t help but wonder though; if Origen  had come across me during my Calvinist days, if he would hand his commentary on Romans to help cure my Calvinism. </p><p></p><div class="subscription-widget-wrap-editor" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://lucasscottroberts.substack.com/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe&quot;,&quot;language&quot;:&quot;en&quot;}" data-component-name="SubscribeWidgetToDOM"><div class="subscription-widget show-subscribe"><div class="preamble"><p class="cta-caption">Subscribe so you&#8217;ll get my next article, &#8220;Origen on Justification&#8221;, as soon as it&#8217;s published.</p></div><form class="subscription-widget-subscribe"><input type="email" class="email-input" name="email" placeholder="Type your email&#8230;" tabindex="-1"><input type="submit" class="button primary" value="Subscribe"><div class="fake-input-wrapper"><div class="fake-input"></div><div class="fake-button"></div></div></form></div></div>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Origen: Church Father or Church's Crazy Uncle?]]></title><description><![CDATA[Have the rumors of his heresies been greatly exaggerated?]]></description><link>https://lucasscottroberts.substack.com/p/origen-church-father-or-churchs-crazy</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://lucasscottroberts.substack.com/p/origen-church-father-or-churchs-crazy</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Lucas Scott Roberts]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Fri, 29 Nov 2024 18:14:31 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1828292e-1d4e-4487-8172-10fd5992f2b3_696x726.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my first article on Origen I briefly mentioned how for many in the early church and today Origen is a wellspring of material heresies. </p><div class="digest-post-embed" data-attrs="{&quot;nodeId&quot;:&quot;35a38393-3e3b-45e7-82d1-a9d4c570ae6d&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;If you&#8217;re familiar at all with the name &#8220;Origen&#8221; then you&#8217;ve probably heard that, while an original and important thinker , this church father died an unrepentant heretic. Anyone who decides to read his translated works should do so with multiple grains of proverbial salt. If you take Origen too seriously you will risk falling into the same heretical er&#8230;&quot;,&quot;cta&quot;:null,&quot;showBylines&quot;:true,&quot;showDescription&quot;:true,&quot;showImage&quot;:true,&quot;size&quot;:&quot;sm&quot;,&quot;isEditorNode&quot;:true,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;A Dude reads Origen reading Romans&quot;,&quot;publishedBylines&quot;:[{&quot;id&quot;:12112590,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Lucas Scott Roberts&quot;,&quot;bio&quot;:&quot;Good morning.&quot;,&quot;photo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/fddd9650-495e-476c-88a0-c5ee8cfc666a_122x112.png&quot;,&quot;is_guest&quot;:false,&quot;bestseller_tier&quot;:null}],&quot;post_date&quot;:&quot;2024-11-21T14:46:15.847Z&quot;,&quot;cover_image&quot;:&quot;https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F060c6fa1-3d1e-4569-b5fc-c948f8453428_536x571.png&quot;,&quot;cover_image_alt&quot;:null,&quot;canonical_url&quot;:&quot;https://lucasscottroberts.substack.com/p/a-dude-reads-origen-reading-romans&quot;,&quot;section_name&quot;:null,&quot;video_upload_id&quot;:null,&quot;id&quot;:151427512,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;newsletter&quot;,&quot;reaction_count&quot;:0,&quot;comment_count&quot;:1,&quot;publication_id&quot;:null,&quot;publication_name&quot;:&quot;Lucas Says Things&quot;,&quot;publication_logo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc2bacb54-4a95-4ab7-be04-6d62a0f70e19_112x112.png&quot;,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:false,&quot;youtube_url&quot;:null,&quot;show_links&quot;:null,&quot;feed_url&quot;:null}"></div><p>He believed in the pre-existence of souls. He castrated himself, a practice that was later condemned at Nicea. He was an unrepentant Universalist who believed that everyone went to heaven one day. Sure, we can consider cutting him some slack since he lived at a time when the Bible hadn&#8217;t been formally canonized yet. But a heretic is a heretic, and we must condemn Origen for the heretical hereises he espoused. </p><p>There&#8217;s one glaring problem with the above; the only accusation of heresy above that can be verified from Origen&#8217;s surviving writings is his belief in the pre-existence of souls. All of the other accusations I mentioned are heresies that we cannot find Origen formally teaching in any of his writings we have today. </p><div class="subscription-widget-wrap-editor" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://lucasscottroberts.substack.com/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe&quot;,&quot;language&quot;:&quot;en&quot;}" data-component-name="SubscribeWidgetToDOM"><div class="subscription-widget show-subscribe"><div class="preamble"><p class="cta-caption">Subscribed yet?</p></div><form class="subscription-widget-subscribe"><input type="email" class="email-input" name="email" placeholder="Type your email&#8230;" tabindex="-1"><input type="submit" class="button primary" value="Subscribe"><div class="fake-input-wrapper"><div class="fake-input"></div><div class="fake-button"></div></div></form></div></div><p>It was with these heresies in mind that I read Origen&#8217;s commentary on Romans, looking to see if I could find him teaching or alluding to these supposed errors of his. Some have called the Apostle Paul&#8217;s Letter to the Romans the &#8220;Cathedral of the Christian Faith&#8221; due to its breadth, its systematic approach in describing the Christian faith. If Origen was an unrepentant heretic then we should expect to see him at least attempting to subtly sneak in if not outright teaching such heresies whilst reviewing Romans.</p><p>Paul does not mention castration specifically, so I wasn&#8217;t expecting to find Origen&#8217;s opinion on self castration. However Origen addresses Matthew 19:12 twice in this commentary. This is the verse where Jesus says:</p><blockquote><p><em>For there are eunuchs, who were born so from their mother's womb: and there are eunuchs, who were made so by men: <strong>and there are eunuchs, who have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven.</strong> He that can take, let him take it. </em></p><ul><li><p>Matthew 19:12</p></li></ul></blockquote><p>For members of the early church who felt self castration was a biblically mandated practice, this verse was their prooftext. Did Origen understand this verse to mean that especially holy men were to castrate themselves?</p><div class="pullquote"><p> "That circumcision is given on the 8th day signifies in my opinion that a week has been allotted to the present age; but the 8th day contains the mystery of the future age. Consequently, the spiritual circumcision belongs to those who fight for the future age, in that they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but will be like the angels of God. <strong>And it belongs to those who have castrated themselves for the sake of the kingdom of God, and to those whose citizenship while living in earth is found in heaven</strong>; It belongs to those who look not to the things that are seen but to what is unseen, and who know that what is seen is temporal, but what is unseen is eternal." </p><p>Book 2, Chapter 13, Paragraph 21</p></div><p>Clearly Origen does not condemn the practice in the above. Yet he also does not separate his understanding of Matthew 19:12 from his larger point about circumcision being primarily a spiritual enterprise both within the old and new covenants. We cut ourselves off from the old man of sin, we circumcise our old ways. This begs the question; wouldn&#8217;t it be reasonable to expect that if Origen was a teacher who felt that self castration was a biblical practice, then wouldn&#8217;t he use this opportunity to encourage other Christian men to undertake this practice here?</p><p>He cites Matthew 19:12 one more time in his commentary on Romans. He addresses those who argue that it makes no sense for God to create something that was supposed to be cut off through circumcision:</p><div class="pullquote"><p>But they say, &#8220;If that bodily member was not necessary, it ought not have been made by the Creator; if it was made as something necessary, it should not be removed.&#8221; Let us also ask them whether they would call the procreation of children necessary. Doubtless they will respond that it is necessary. Then those who, by their affirmation of continence and virginity, do not attend to the necessary duties of nature shall be reproachable; and everyone is to be compelled to get married, even those who, <strong>in accordance with the laws of the Gospel, &#8220;have castrated themselves for the sake of the kingdom of God,&#8221;</strong> even though <strong>these people have the authority for this precedent both in many other saints and even in the Lord Jesus hims</strong><em><strong>elf.</strong></em><strong> </strong></p><p>Book 2, Chapter 13, Paragraph 31</p></div><p>Here&#8217;s Origen&#8217;s more explicit stamp of approval. But even this approval seems sort of backhanded. &#8220;These people&#8221; are able to justify this practice through &#8220;many saints and even in the Lord Jesus himself&#8221;. Why does he remove himself from the conversation and only refers to &#8220;those who&#8221; engage in self castration? Again, wouldn&#8217;t we expect a self castration heretic to be encouraging others to do the same? Saying, &#8220;those who decide to castrate themselves can justify this practice through certain saints and Jesus&#8217; words&#8221; is not at all the same thing as, &#8220;You should be holy  like me and castrate yourself as our Lord commanded.&#8221;</p><p>What about Universalism, the heresy that teaches everyone goes to heaven in the end? Do we find Origen trying to covertly sneak this heresy into his commentary on Romans?</p><p>Again, Paul doesn&#8217;t really speak about Universalism or Apokatastasis in Romans. The proof text Universalists like to cite is Paul&#8217;s first letter to the Corinthians:</p><blockquote><p><em>And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then the Son also himself shall be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.</em></p><ul><li><p>1 Corinthians 15:28</p></li></ul></blockquote><p>How does this verse demonstrate Universalism? The Apokatastasis, the restoration that&#8217;s alluded to here is key. Will all things be subdued and restored? Will God be all in all, inside everything, every single living thing? Everything would seem to imply people other than Christians. Everything also leaves the door open for all rational beings being restored to God, even the Devil and his angels.</p><p>Origen does comment on this passage a couple of times, but it&#8217;s a stretch to say that he took this passage to mean Universalism.</p><div class="pullquote"><p>The words, &#8220;I should destroy man (Genesis 6:6-7)&#8221; should be interpreted in the sense in which God says through the prophet, &#8220;I have blotted out thy iniquities as a cloud (Isaiah 44:22),&#8221; so that it may be seen that God destroys man in respect to what is human, in order that afterward he can make him into a god at that time <strong>when God shall be all in all</strong>. </p><p>Book 3, Chapter 1, Paragraph 11</p></div><p>Can we take this to mean that Origen thought EVERYONE was going to have their iniquities blotted out and be fully restored to God? If God blots out iniquities so He can destroy sinful humanity so that theosis can begin, I mean, that seems sort of universalish if we assume that Origen had every human being and not just exclusively christians in mind.</p><p>Which makes other quotes from Origen like the below seem so jarring in comparison.</p><div class="pullquote"><p>The Father handed over his own Son not only for the saints, not only for the great, but even for the least ones and for absolutely <strong>all who are in the Church</strong>.</p><p>Book 7, Chapter 10, Paragraph 5</p></div><p>This quote seems like Origen is describing Limited Atonement, the idea that Christ&#8217;s death was only for the saved or the elect. Given everything else Origen says about Justification and Salvation in this commentary and elsewhere, any claim that Origen believed in such a doctrine would be dubious at best. But the point remains; how could a supposed Universalist talk about Jesus&#8217; atoning death in an exclusive manner? Wouldn&#8217;t a Christian Universalist or an &#8220;Origenist&#8221; argue that Jesus died for everyone and therefore is saving everyone regardless?</p><p>Origen also seems to assume the doctrine of Purgatory while looking at Isaiah 1:25:</p><div class="pullquote"><p>But whoever should spurn the purification of the Word of God and of evangelical doctrine reserves himself for sorrows and penal purifications, when the fire of Gehenna purifies with torments the one whom neither apostolic doctrine nor the evangelical word have purified according to what is written, &#8220;And I will purify you with fire leading to purity (Isaiah 1:25). <strong>But for how long a time and how many ages this purging, which is applied by means of penal fire, exacts torments from sinners only he is able to know</strong> to whom &#8220;the father gave all judgement&#8221; (John 5:22), he who so loved his creation (John 3:16) that for its sake he emptied himself from the form of God and took the form of a slave, humbling himself unto the point of death (Philippians 2:6-8), who wants all men to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth (1 Timothy 2:4)</p><p>Book 8, Chapter 13, Paragraph 8</p></div><p>Christians run the risk of spending a long time in Purgatory according to Origen. He also wonders if we run the risk of spending multiple ages in Purgatory, which is a terrifying thought. But again, this doesn&#8217;t sound anything like the Universalism we hear of today that argues that hell and purgatory are not biblical. Origen clearly thought these were real dangers, even for Christians.</p><p>Origen also interprets the Parable of the 10 Virgins to mean even christians can fail to enter through the Door (John 10:9) if they do not have good works:</p><div class="pullquote"><p>Doubtless this is what happened to those five foolish virgins who, since they did not bring the oil of good works in their vessels, found the door closed when they came too late. <strong>For these foolish souls were unable to enter through the door of wisdom and have access to grace.</strong></p><p>Book 4, Chapter 8, Paragraph 6</p></div><p>Also worth noting that, in regards to Origen&#8217;s supposed belief that the Devil would be redeemed in the Apokatastasis:</p><div class="pullquote"><p>(Commenting on Luke 10:18 and Isaiah 14:12) &#8220;He (Jesus) is denying, then, that Israel had fallen by this kind of fall. For indeed there will be a conversion for them at the end of the age, at that time when the fullness of the Gentiles comes in, and all Israel will be saved; <strong>but for that one who is said to have fallen from heaven, there will not be any conversion at the end of the age.&#8221;</strong></p></div><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!l3yg!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fceb984d2-b430-435e-9596-cfad5725c3d8_454x479.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!l3yg!, /__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/w_424, /__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/c_limit, /__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/f_webp, /__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/q_auto:good, 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4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>Does this mean that Origen&#8217;s take on Romans is inerrant or infallible? Of course not. But he&#8217;s an important enough Church Father that his works are cited several times in the Catechism of the Catholic Church:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!xIgF!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1828292e-1d4e-4487-8172-10fd5992f2b3_696x726.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!xIgF!, /__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/w_424, /__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/c_limit, /__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/f_webp, /__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/q_auto:good, /__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1828292e-1d4e-4487-8172-10fd5992f2b3_696x726.png 424w, 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4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>The Church does recommend caution when reading Origen, but it does appear that his supposed heresies have been misrepresented. Origen simply cannot hold the aforementioned heresies while teaching clearly the correct theology that contradicts those heresies.</p><p>In the next article we&#8217;ll look at how Origen reads Saint Paul&#8217;s teaching of predestination before we conclude this series with Origen&#8217;s understanding of Justification, the doctrine that led me too Origen to begin with. </p><p>Origen was less the crazy uncle of the Church and more a vitally important Church Father who helped to lay the groundwork for the doctrines, dogma and theology we all take for granted today. Nicea, Chalcedon, many of these ecumenical councils established the dogmas that protect our souls from damning errors. To utilize an American sort of analogy; these councils were settling the Wild West of Christian theology, laying the groundwork for others, the Augustines and Aquinases, to properly formalize the civilising dogmas we rest upon today. If Nicea was the Wild West, then Origen was one of the great Frontiersmen, men who ventured into the great unknown before the maps that described the wildness of the Wild West even existed. </p><p>To fault Origen for getting the pre-existence of souls wrong, to flippantly and falsely attribute Universalism to him, to write off our first textual critic and exegete as a heretic is, I believe, not just robbing the modern Church of a rich and influential resource. We fail to keep the Commandments by not honoring this Church Father. We should seriously reconsider the teachings and beliefs of Origen as Origen describes them and take his supposed heresies with multiple grains of salt. </p><div class="subscription-widget-wrap-editor" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://lucasscottroberts.substack.com/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe&quot;,&quot;language&quot;:&quot;en&quot;}" data-component-name="SubscribeWidgetToDOM"><div class="subscription-widget show-subscribe"><div class="preamble"><p class="cta-caption">get subscribed</p></div><form class="subscription-widget-subscribe"><input type="email" class="email-input" name="email" placeholder="Type your email&#8230;" tabindex="-1"><input type="submit" class="button primary" value="Subscribe"><div class="fake-input-wrapper"><div class="fake-input"></div><div class="fake-button"></div></div></form></div></div>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[A Dude reads Origen reading Romans]]></title><description><![CDATA[Why a Catholic Catechumen decided to read the earliest commentary on Romans from THE most hated Early Church Father.]]></description><link>https://lucasscottroberts.substack.com/p/a-dude-reads-origen-reading-romans</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://lucasscottroberts.substack.com/p/a-dude-reads-origen-reading-romans</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Lucas Scott Roberts]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Thu, 21 Nov 2024 14:46:15 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!-nQi!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F060c6fa1-3d1e-4569-b5fc-c948f8453428_536x571.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you&#8217;re familiar at all with the name &#8220;Origen&#8221; then you&#8217;ve probably heard that, while an original and important thinker , this church father died an unrepentant heretic. Anyone who decides to read his translated works should do so with multiple grains of proverbial salt. If you take Origen too seriously you will risk falling into the same heretical errors that damned Origen.</p><p>So why did I, a Catechumen of the Catholic Church, decide to pick up Origen&#8217;s commentary on Paul&#8217;s letter to the Roman Church?</p><div class="subscription-widget-wrap-editor" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://lucasscottroberts.substack.com/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe&quot;,&quot;language&quot;:&quot;en&quot;}" data-component-name="SubscribeWidgetToDOM"><div class="subscription-widget show-subscribe"><div class="preamble"><p class="cta-caption">Subscribed?</p></div><form class="subscription-widget-subscribe"><input type="email" class="email-input" name="email" placeholder="Type your email&#8230;" tabindex="-1"><input type="submit" class="button primary" value="Subscribe"><div class="fake-input-wrapper"><div class="fake-input"></div><div class="fake-button"></div></div></form></div></div><div 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/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!-nQi!, /__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/w_1456, /__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/c_limit, /__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/f_auto, /__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/q_auto:good, /__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F060c6fa1-3d1e-4569-b5fc-c948f8453428_536x571.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" fetchpriority="high"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>It&#8217;s a bit of a long story, so I&#8217;ll do my best to describe this twisted, gnarled path I&#8217;ve taken as short and succinctly as possible. The TL;DR: I was trying to understand the doctrine of Justification.</p><p>I was a revert to my Reformed Protestant upbringing. <a href="https://drive.google.com/file/d/1mzJX05H6_dKNyL8yBiMVkn_Oo2PhfXhj/view?usp=sharing">That&#8217;s another story in an of itself</a>.</p><p>I was doing great, completely happy with the Reformed Christianity that I grew up with. I didn&#8217;t start having problems until I was asked to lead a Bible study. Some guys at church were leading a Christian program for people with drug and alcohol addictions, a sort of halfway house. They thought it would be great idea for me to lead the Sunday night Bible study. I immediately declined; as a recent revert to the faith I had no business teaching anybody anything about Christianity. But they persisted, and I relented. </p><p>I undertook the teaching role with great trepidation:</p><blockquote><p>&#8220;Not many of you should become teachers, my brothers, for you know that we who teach will be judged with greater strictness.&#8221;</p><ul><li><p>James 3:1</p></li></ul></blockquote><p>My teaching strategy was very simple. We would read large swaths of Scripture. Instead of taking a handful of verses and everyone talking about what those verses did or didn&#8217;t mean to them, I decided we would take turns reading entire sections and chapters of the Bible in a single sitting. If a New Testament author cited an Old Testament passage, then we&#8217;re going to stop and look up that Old Testament passage. Don&#8217;t know who the Son of Man is? Let&#8217;s go to Daniel 7 and read about it!</p><p>One of my favorite sessions was when we <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xOilEHo7F0M7Pm6LoYutW-RkXrmsn3pD8AufU2yLbrs/edit?usp=sharing">read Psalm 22 in conjunctions with St Mark&#8217;s account of the crucifixion</a> (page 13). One of the volunteer mentors told me afterward, &#8220;You know, I&#8217;ve been doing bible studies for a very long time, but I never knew that Jesus was citing Scripture on the cross.&#8221; Those types of comments absolutely made my day. Let&#8217;s let scripture talk about itself, and more importantly get me out of the way! I don&#8217;t want to misstep and teach something incorrect and become the epitome of the Apostle James&#8217; aforementioned warning.</p><p>One day after we read Psalm 119 in its entirety (Yep, all 176 verses!) I received a new kind of feedback that at the time really floored me. One of the volunteer mentors seemed really deep in thought after the closing prayer, and I approached him to ask what was on his mind. </p><p>He looked up and said, &#8220;Everything you taught tonight was wrong.&#8221;</p><p>I didn&#8217;t know what to say. Everything? I mean, we had 1 hour and we read 176 verses of Scripture, I didn&#8217;t really have time to teach much of anything. What was it I said that was so wrong?</p><p>I drew this man&#8217;s ire by my failure to correct the Psalmist&#8217;s insistence that we keep God&#8217;s law. If you go and read Psalm 119, you&#8217;ll realize this Psalm is inundated with &#8220;I shall keep your statues&#8221;, &#8220;Teach me your statutes&#8221;, &#8220;I will meditate on your precepts&#8221;, and most offensively, &#8220;Oh, how I love your law!&#8221;. I didn&#8217;t add the understanding that as New Covenant Christians we were not required to keep God&#8217;s law. We weren&#8217;t obligated to obey God the way the Psalmist was. The Psalmist was under the law. We are under grace.</p><p>Without going down an Antinomianism rabbit hole, I was a bit stumped at this pushback. I mean, if we are saved by faith alone, then what does &#8220;good works&#8221; or obedience have to do with anything? Are New Testament Christians required to obey God? Was this guy right?</p><p>A friend recommended an <a href="https://a.co/d/3TGx588">excellent book</a>. </p><p>Which led me to write this <a href="https://x.com/addicted2grace/status/1751946403293585505">Twitter Thead</a>: </p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!8juS!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3f36e7a7-c58c-4f60-be6d-c8e382402ea3_577x880.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!8juS!, /__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/w_424, /__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/c_limit, /__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/f_webp, /__u/lucasscottroberts.substack.com/q_auto:good, 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4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>I recommend reading the thread, but to summarize I was really frustrated with McGrath&#8217;s conclusions, which among other things posited that:</p><ul><li><p>Because so many Protestant theologians disagree with what Paul meant by Justification, <strong>we cannot say with full confidence that we understand the doctrine of Justification according to Paul.</strong></p></li><li><p>Given all of the different interpretations by many holy and reasonable men, <strong>we may never know what Paul meant when he spoke on Justification.</strong></p></li></ul><p>This was baffling on a number of levels. I can understand why Christians might disagree about different doctrines taught in the Bible, even important things like infant baptism. But Justification, or how we get right with God? There&#8217;s too many interpretations of Paul to understand with a confident certainty how to get saved? This cannot be.</p><p>Which led me to ask; did the early church have a singular understanding of Justification? Through another series of book recommendations I ended up with <a href="https://a.co/d/ad7f5K9">Origen&#8217;s Commentary on the Book of Romans</a>.</p><p>Origen causes a lot of consternation among Christians. I recommend <a href="https://youtu.be/2qAmEirTVgk?si=rLX5yHGCakVlCWBW">this video for one of the best explanations as to why even church fathers found Origen divisive</a>. </p><p>Origen was accused of being a heretic, specifically a universalist, albeit three centuries after he died. But to say that he died a heretic is to ignore the reported evidence to the contrary, including <a href="https://youtu.be/jWbvg60-ULg?si=VDe4vEzqm4Jztdyz">St. Rufinus citing the authority of the Pope in Origin&#8217;s exoneration. </a></p><p>So <a href="https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/origen/">who exactly was Origen</a>? In many respects he is one of our first exegetes. He wrote the first full commentary on Romans. He was also one of the first church fathers to be fully fluent in Greek and Hebrew, a distinction usually made for Saint Jerome. Origen used these skills to provide one our <a href="https://williamaross.com/2014/07/21/the-hexapla-institute/">first ever textual criticisms of the Bible</a>, of which we&#8217;ve <a href="http://hexapla.org/">unfortunately lost a lot of</a>. </p><p>A Christian in the 21st century has a lot of resources that most Christians in ages past simply didn&#8217;t have. Even the literacy with which we can read councils, encyclicals and church fathers is a gift that most of our ancestors went without. Origen passed away in 254 A.D. a martyr, and long before the first post apostolic ecumenical council was even held. He did not have the privilege of using ecumenical councils to help define the dogmas and truth that he was attempting to discern. </p><p>It may sound like I&#8217;m buttering you up before I disclose the material heresy I discovered in Origen&#8217;s commentary on Romans. I&#8217;m not because I didn&#8217;t find one. In my humble opinion as a layperson, Origen seems to describe a cogent and orthodox understanding of Paul&#8217;s epistle. I admit that there is room for speculation on his supposed semi-pelagianism, nor does he always talk about separation from God after death in eternal terms. However to say that he was a universalist is to ignore the very real danger he describes as coming from an unorthodox knowledge of God. This may be why he earned the nickname &#8220;Adamantius", the "man of steel", a nickname Eusebius notes Origen held due to his firmness against heretics. Ironic that a heretic smasher would be more renowned as a heretic for his legacy instead of heretic smashing.</p><p>Origen was adamant that the Bible did not contradict itself and instead provided a singular cogent testimony:</p><div class="pullquote"><p>&#8220;But the one who compiles the meaning of the sacred volumes faithfully and completely is responsible to show how the things in Scripture which appear contradictory and not truly contradictory.&#8221;</p><p>Book 3, Chapter 7, Paragraph 4</p></div><p>His humility with which he offers his interpretations of scripture:</p><div class="pullquote"><p>(After a 32 paragraph Excursus on Old Testament Circumcision) &#8220;We have said these things, however, with the stipulation that if anyone should speak about these matters in a better and more rational manner, let his arguments be held to rather than mine&#8221;</p><p>Book 2, Chapter 13, Paragraph 33</p></div><p>Ask yourself; does the following quote sound like  any Universalist you know?:</p><div class="pullquote"><p>&#8220;Therefore anyone who has not known the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the only true God, and his Son Jesus Christ, is a stranger from eternal life.&#8221;</p><p>Book 2, Chapter 7, Paragraph 4</p></div><p>In future articles I will delve more deeply into the following topics about Origen&#8217;s commentary on Romans:</p><ol><li><p>What did Origen have to say about Justification?</p></li><li><p>Was Origen a &#8220;Universalist&#8221; in any sense of the word?</p></li><li><p>What other doctrines do we find affirmed by Origen as accepted by the early Church?</p></li></ol><p>I&#8217;m so grateful that I live in an era where we can access the Scriptures, the Fathers, all of these resources to better enlighten us to true and orthodox theology. I hope and pray that these articles are thought provoking and edifying for you as well.</p><div class="subscription-widget-wrap-editor" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://lucasscottroberts.substack.com/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe&quot;,&quot;language&quot;:&quot;en&quot;}" data-component-name="SubscribeWidgetToDOM"><div class="subscription-widget show-subscribe"><div class="preamble"><p class="cta-caption">Subscribe to stay up to date on this continuing Origen series</p></div><form class="subscription-widget-subscribe"><input type="email" class="email-input" name="email" placeholder="Type your email&#8230;" tabindex="-1"><input type="submit" class="button primary" value="Subscribe"><div class="fake-input-wrapper"><div class="fake-input"></div><div class="fake-button"></div></div></form></div></div>]]></content:encoded></item></channel></rss>