<script data-pm-proxy="intercept"></script><?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" version="2.0" xmlns:itunes="http://www.itunes.com/dtds/podcast-1.0.dtd" xmlns:googleplay="http://www.google.com/schemas/play-podcasts/1.0"><channel><title><![CDATA[Tetrablog]]></title><description><![CDATA[💎 Blogging things rules 💎]]></description><link>https://tetraspace.substack.com</link><image><url>https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!haqx!,w_256,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Ftetraspace.substack.com%2Fimg%2Fsubstack.png</url><title>Tetrablog</title><link>https://tetraspace.substack.com</link></image><generator>Substack</generator><lastBuildDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2026 19:45:09 GMT</lastBuildDate><atom:link href="/__u/tetraspace.substack.com/feed" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml"/><copyright><![CDATA[💎 Tetraspace]]></copyright><language><![CDATA[en-gb]]></language><webMaster><![CDATA[tetraspace@substack.com]]></webMaster><itunes:owner><itunes:email><![CDATA[tetraspace@substack.com]]></itunes:email><itunes:name><![CDATA[💎 Tetraspace]]></itunes:name></itunes:owner><itunes:author><![CDATA[💎 Tetraspace]]></itunes:author><googleplay:owner><![CDATA[tetraspace@substack.com]]></googleplay:owner><googleplay:email><![CDATA[tetraspace@substack.com]]></googleplay:email><googleplay:author><![CDATA[💎 Tetraspace]]></googleplay:author><itunes:block><![CDATA[Yes]]></itunes:block><item><title><![CDATA[Security Has Moving Parts]]></title><description><![CDATA[What&#8217;s wrong with this picture?]]></description><link>https://tetraspace.substack.com/p/security-has-moving-parts</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://tetraspace.substack.com/p/security-has-moving-parts</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[💎 Tetraspace]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2026 13:23:56 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!hcZ7!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb8144b74-cd4e-4ee2-b89e-08c4bfe52cad_369x542.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s wrong with this picture?</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!hcZ7!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb8144b74-cd4e-4ee2-b89e-08c4bfe52cad_369x542.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!hcZ7!, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/w_424, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/c_limit, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/f_webp, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/q_auto:good, 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/__u/tetraspace.substack.com/w_1456, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/c_limit, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/f_webp, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/q_auto:good, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb8144b74-cd4e-4ee2-b89e-08c4bfe52cad_369x542.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!hcZ7!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb8144b74-cd4e-4ee2-b89e-08c4bfe52cad_369x542.png" width="369" height="542" 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/__u/tetraspace.substack.com/w_1456, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/c_limit, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/f_auto, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/q_auto:good, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb8144b74-cd4e-4ee2-b89e-08c4bfe52cad_369x542.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" fetchpriority="high"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>Were I to name one thing, it&#8217;s that it considers &#8220;our security is amazingly good&#8221; to be a primitive, which can be attached on top of a running system to make it secure, regardless of the other properties of this system. </p><div class="subscription-widget-wrap-editor" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://tetraspace.substack.com/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe&quot;,&quot;language&quot;:&quot;en-gb&quot;}" data-component-name="SubscribeWidgetToDOM"><div class="subscription-widget show-subscribe"><div class="preamble"><p class="cta-caption">Tetrablog is a reader-supported publication. To receive new posts and support my work, consider becoming a free or paid subscriber.</p></div><form class="subscription-widget-subscribe"><input type="email" class="email-input" name="email" placeholder="Type your email&#8230;" tabindex="-1"><input type="submit" class="button primary" value="Subscribe"><div class="fake-input-wrapper"><div class="fake-input"></div><div class="fake-button"></div></div></form></div></div><p>But amazingly good security is something that has a lot of moving parts inside it; on the level of code and design, something doesn&#8217;t have amazingly good security, it has properties X, Y and Z. As a shorthand, we can call the collective effect of those properties &#8220;amazingly good security&#8221;, but the properties came first. Talking about a system that stores passwords in plaintext and that also has amazingly good security is like talking about a system where the molecules have low kinetic energy and the system has a high temperature; the asserted low level and high level properties contradict each other!</p><p>&#8220;Amazingly good security&#8221; is additionally pernicious as a concept, for some, because it sounds like a claim about the cleverness - even the social status - of the designers. A good security researcher tends to make systems with amazingly good security; if you say that you can&#8217;t add amazingly good security to a system that&#8217;s storing the passwords in plaintext, aren&#8217;t you saying that you&#8217;re a bad security researcher? Surely a good security researcher wouldn&#8217;t be stopped by a requirement that passwords be stored in plaintext. </p><p>If the organisation is very badly run, then your boss might be talking about security to their bosses, and saying that X is incompatible with amazingly good security is criticising your boss&#8217;s cleverness, whose skilled management is totally causing the system to have amazingly good security. Alternatively, you might be talking about security to the &#8220;good&#8221; security researcher, and your claim that storing passwords in plaintext causes something to not be amazingly secure is a claim that you have a higher security researcher skill than whoever designed the system.</p><p>Because good security has internal moving parts, though, good security doesn&#8217;t involve being clever enough to install good security as a primitive, since there is no button on the engineer&#8217;s computer that does that; it involves being clever enough to build the correct parts, which are small and individually don&#8217;t rely on the cleverness of the designer.</p><p>In <em><a href="https://blog.citp.princeton.edu/2008/03/26/security-mindset-and-harmless-failures/">The Security Mindset and &#8220;Harmless Failures&#8221;</a></em>, Felten uses, as a case study, a bug where businesses would send messages from the address &#8220;X@donotreply.com&#8221;, to indicate that the email ought not to be replied to. They thought this was fine because donotreply mailboxes are unmonitored, so even if anything is sent to them, it wouldn&#8217;t affect anyone&#8217;s experience. Then somebody bought donotreply.com, and any email that bounced was returned to donotreply.com, readable by its owner, including any personal information. Felten presents two ways to avoid such a failure:</p><blockquote><p>The first way is to think carefully about the traffic that might go to donotreply.com, and realize that some of it is actually dangerous. The second way is to think, &#8220;This looks like a harmless failure, but we should avoid it anyway. No good can come of this.&#8221; The first way protects you if you&#8217;re clever; the second way always protects you.</p><p>Which illustrates yet another part of the security mindset: Don&#8217;t rely too much on your own cleverness, because somebody out there is surely more clever and more motivated than you are.</p></blockquote><p>You can go around thinking you&#8217;re the cleverest security researcher out there, and therefore that you don&#8217;t need to worry about organising the internal parts that make something amazingly secure, because your own cleverness can make something amazingly secure; or you can make something that doesn&#8217;t get hacked.</p><p>Now let us consider aviation safety. Sometimes, people want to do an unsafe manoeuvre in a plane, like buzzing a crowd at low altitude. Good pilots have a tendency to not crash their planes, and well-built planes have a tendency not to fail; therefore, you can do an unsafe manoeuvre by putting an amazingly good pilot in a well-built plane.</p><p>That&#8217;s why, say some, it was safe for Apache pilots to buzz a crowd <a href="https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/pete-hegseth-overturns-review-of-pilots-in-july-4-stunt/ar-AA27FiCc">on July 4th</a>, and for a Blue Angels pilot to buzz a crowd <a href="https://www.foxnews.com/us/navy-says-no-reprimands-firings-after-blue-angels-low-pass-over-beachgoers">on July 15th</a>, and for Apache pilots to fly right up to Kid Rock&#8217;s house <a href="https://abcnews.com/Politics/army-reviewing-attack-helicopters-flying-low-hovering-kid/story?id=131553036&amp;cb=1jl0bgp1c">on March 28th</a>; they&#8217;re amazingly good pilots. The Ramstein air show disaster and the Sknyliv air show disaster happened simply because the pilots weren&#8217;t amazingly good<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-1" href="#footnote-1" target="_self">1</a>. Calling the former manoeuvres <em>dangerous</em> comes close to insulting the pilots - who are you to call the pilots not skilled enough to safely do those manoeuvres, are you low-T or something?</p><p>However, much like with computer security, being an amazingly good pilot isn&#8217;t a primitive quality - on the level of how the plane is controlled, it&#8217;s actually made up of properties X, Y and Z, which we collectively call amazingly good piloting. Some aspects of amazingly good piloting save you in an incident, like having all of the fallback plans in muscle memory; but other aspects of amazingly good piloting, like not deviating from the flight plan, and always having the aircraft in a situation where if the engine fails at that instant it can be steered away from a crowd, are incompatible with buzzing crowds.</p><p>There isn&#8217;t a &#8220;don&#8217;t crash&#8221; button on the pilot&#8217;s dashboard, just a bunch of controls, and an amazingly good pilot is one who engages in the manoeuvres that don&#8217;t lead to crashing. Being an amazingly good pilot (in the sense of a pilot who has an unusually strong tendency not to crash planes) is incompatible with getting the plane in positions where a mechanical failure sends it into a crowd, because one of the moving parts of amazingly good piloting is not being in those situations.</p><p>Let us consider <a href="https://www.weather.gov/safety/lightning">lightning safety</a>.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!aJrh!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F65b203ca-5c98-49bd-b54f-e93c71d53081_543x460.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!aJrh!, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/w_424, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/c_limit, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/f_webp, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/q_auto:good, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F65b203ca-5c98-49bd-b54f-e93c71d53081_543x460.png 424w, /__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!aJrh!, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/w_848, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/c_limit, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/f_webp, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/q_auto:good, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F65b203ca-5c98-49bd-b54f-e93c71d53081_543x460.png 848w, /__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!aJrh!, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/w_1272, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/c_limit, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/f_webp, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/q_auto:good, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F65b203ca-5c98-49bd-b54f-e93c71d53081_543x460.png 1272w, /__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!aJrh!, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/w_1456, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/c_limit, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/f_webp, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/q_auto:good, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F65b203ca-5c98-49bd-b54f-e93c71d53081_543x460.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!aJrh!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F65b203ca-5c98-49bd-b54f-e93c71d53081_543x460.png" width="543" height="460" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/65b203ca-5c98-49bd-b54f-e93c71d53081_543x460.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:460,&quot;width&quot;:543,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;'Dude, wait -- I'm not American! So my risk is basically zero!'&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="'Dude, wait -- I'm not American! So my risk is basically zero!'" title="'Dude, wait -- I'm not American! 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Sometimes, people have said that a lab that is more concerned about safety has to win via capabilities research, or that it&#8217;s better for a lab to have employees that are concerned about safety and therefore that safety-focused people should work at capabilities labs.</p><p>Take the <a href="https://www.anthropic.com/constitution">founding justification of Anthropic</a>:<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-2" href="#footnote-2" target="_self">2</a></p><blockquote><p>We don&#8217;t think this is a contradiction; rather, it&#8217;s a calculated bet on our part&#8212;if powerful AI is coming regardless, Anthropic believes it&#8217;s better to have safety-focused labs at the frontier than to cede that ground to developers less focused on safety</p></blockquote><p>Anthropic now has the best-performing released AI model; they once hoped not to speed up an AI race, but like much idealism, this hope has been washed away. One of their internal models, without being asked to by any human, <a href="https://www.aisi.gov.uk/blog/incident-report-unsanctioned-agent-behaviour-during-cyber-testing">autonomously created fake identities on GitHub to manipulate a maintainer into approving a PR for a supply chain attack</a>. In real life, this incident actually happened, it wasn&#8217;t even a controlled test that they detected ahead of time so that the safety-focused lab could tell if their model had a tendency to do cyberattacks that they could train out. </p><p>Separately, in the wake of OpenAI&#8217;s cyberattack on Hugging Face, Anthropic looked back over their own model history and found that, <em>unknown to them</em>, <a href="https://www.anthropic.com/news/investigating-incidents-cybersecurity-evals">they had also been performing cyberattacks</a> over the past several months.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!BqvF!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc388f67f-66d7-470e-b77a-316225495965_875x617.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" 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6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Safety-conscious sandboxing.</figcaption></figure></div><p>Being a &#8220;safety-focused lab&#8221; is something with internal moving parts that involves, for example, having a general decisionmaking procedure that doesn&#8217;t result in you performing autonomous cyberattacks, or at the very least involves finding out and stopping <em>your own cyberattacks</em> without having to read about the concept in the newspapers first. One does not imbue safety upon one&#8217;s actions via being a safety-focused lab; rather, one is a lab that has a safety-focused internal structure, and we collectively call this cluster of internal structures &#8220;safety-focused&#8221;. All that matters regarding whether ceding ground to other developers is good is whether your lab actually creates safe outcomes; mere focus on safety is secondary to whether or not, say, models that you&#8217;re running perform cyberattacks without being asked.<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-3" href="#footnote-3" target="_self">3</a></p><p>In microcosm, lab employees that care about safety also only improve things if their role in the organisation contains the internal parts that allow them to improve safety. Code that does harm when executed does harm when executed, regardless of whether it was written by someone who was only after the money or someone who cared deeply about safety. </p><p>Given the history of resignations inside OpenAI, in practice, being a general voice for safety or caution has had limited success. Employees who care about safety bide their time, save up political capital inside the lab working on the most important technology, and encounter a critical moment when they see something and need to use the steering power they saved up. 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Dario &#8594; Anthropic (already ragged on in this post), Sutskever &#8594; SSI (who knows what they&#8217;re up to, so wake me up when there&#8217;s evidence that would update about the prior over labs pronouncing safety), Aschenbrenner &#8594; Situational Awareness (<a href="https://www.wsj.com/tech/ai/situational-awareness-bets-400-million-on-stealth-chip-startup-after-crash-02c7374e">raising capital</a> to lift the bottlenecks that make stopping AI easier than it could have been)</figcaption></figure></div><p>To align AI, first one must align AI, rather than working on making AI more dangerous while privately holding concerns that don&#8217;t make it to the code that ends up actually being written. It&#8217;s software! When you execute the code, you can forget about the author, because only the code that&#8217;s on the computer is executed. For &#8220;caring about safety&#8221; to actually be about safety, this caring needs to have moving parts that end up with the code that is executed giving safe outcomes. Improving the efficiency of a kernel while privately thinking about safety doesn&#8217;t do it.</p><p>In conclusion: beware of any causal model that seems to imply that something has a primitive tendency towards safe outcomes. Actual safety, where it appears, involves a method by which these safe outcomes are achieved, made up of small physical or logical pieces.</p><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-1" href="#footnote-anchor-1" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">1</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>The latter, especially; it&#8217;s a <em>Soviet</em> plane, which as we know has inherently less goodness-of-piloting.</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-2" href="#footnote-anchor-2" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">2</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>Though almost everyone else <em>actually</em> acting on &#8220;we need to beat X&#8221; grounds seems to consider it a matter of who gets the poison banana, rather than a matter of solving the technical problem - OpenAI wants to beat Google because they think Google will use their controllable AI for evil, China hawks want the US to beat China because they think China would use its controllable AI for evil. </p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-3" href="#footnote-anchor-3" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">3</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>I also think that <a href="https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/uMQ3cqWDPHhjtiesc/agi-ruin-a-list-of-lethalities">Anthropic needs to be acting differently regarding superalignment</a> to have this actually work. Anthropic does actually <a href="https://www.anthropic.com/news/core-views-on-ai-safety">have a story</a> regarding how what they&#8217;re doing counts as alignment, so my dispute here is more object-level than a mere &#8220;Anthropic needs to think about moving parts&#8221; critique. </p></div></div>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Authoritarian Lock-in Down the Path From Here]]></title><description><![CDATA[Which scenarios are more risky regarding authoritarianism, and what does this tell us about preventing AI-enabled authoritarianism?]]></description><link>https://tetraspace.substack.com/p/authoritarian-lock-in-down-the-path</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://tetraspace.substack.com/p/authoritarian-lock-in-down-the-path</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[💎 Tetraspace]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2026 22:24:52 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!wRk9!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa3734f91-b7e2-45bd-a962-7ad64fb2fabd_1125x826.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The technical governance team (TGT) of MIRI, my favourite organisation along the axis of being right about things, published the paper <a href="https://techgov.intelligence.org/research/ai-governance-to-avoid-extinction">AI Governance to Avoid Extinction: The Strategic Landscape and Actionable Research Questions</a> last year, covering one governance scenario that the MIRI TGT endorses (off switch and halt) and three governance scenarios that the MIRI TGT does not endorse (US national project, light-touch, threat of sabotage), comparing them by how risky they are. For each scenario, they have a long list of open research questions, for which more research attention would help those scenarios go more safely.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!wRk9!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa3734f91-b7e2-45bd-a962-7ad64fb2fabd_1125x826.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!wRk9!, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/w_424, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/c_limit, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/f_webp, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/q_auto:good, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa3734f91-b7e2-45bd-a962-7ad64fb2fabd_1125x826.png 424w, /__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!wRk9!, 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8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>I was especially interested to see the &#8220;bad lock-in&#8221; column; this is an issue that prevents us from achieving a utopian future even if the rest of alignment is solved<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-1" href="#footnote-1" target="_self">1</a>. The risk of &#8220;bad lock-in&#8221; is not lower than mid in any scenario, including for the MIRI TGT&#8217;s currently-preferred &#8220;off switch and halt&#8221; scenario, and is <em>high</em> for the dispreferred &#8220;US national project&#8221; scenario, where the world&#8217;s ASI project is directly accountable to and has security provided by the US government.</p><h1>Halt</h1><p>The Off Switch and Halt is considered in two parts: the Off Switch, and the Halt. The Halt is the goal - it&#8217;s one of the ways that AI could be prevented from killing everyone in the near term (namely, by not building it). </p><p>There are various means to achieve a Halt - an Off Switch (in the form of technical, legal and institutional infrastructure, the central example involving an international treaty, that puts the world in a position where it&#8217;s possible to shut down ASI research globally) is one of them, but they also consider the possibility of Light Touch leading to a Halt (via a warning shot scaring the world straight), the US National Project leading to a Halt (via the US working alone forcing other AI research to shut down), and the Threat of Sabotage leading to a Halt (via nations improving their abilities to audit each other by mutual agreement until the active sabotage lives only in counterfactuals).</p><p>They consider global coordination to set up an Off Switch ahead of time to be the best option regarding authoritarianism, because it requires multiple parties to all agree on the Off Switch. Any authoritarian trying to hijack the Off Switch entirely would at least face objections from the other parties that they need to keep on board.</p><blockquote><p>Among methods of implementing a global Halt, a coordinated Off Switch is the approach that appears to run the least risk of enabling authoritarianism. In particular, if a global Halt happens as a result of the US National Project achieving a decisive strategic advantage, the power exercised over the rest of the world would be very unilateral. By contrast, we want the international community to come together early to build an Off Switch which is collectively enforced and is unlikely to be hijacked for authoritarian ends.</p></blockquote><p>(Tetraspace wonders: This Off Switch is being done between nations - why would they have leave side benefits for normal people like me? But the MIRI TGT does acknowledge that the US, despite being nominally democratic, would face a high risk of bad lock-in. So I guess this is why this only reduces the risk down to &#8220;mid&#8221;, with more research being needed to get it down to &#8220;mid&#8221;.)</p><p>They consider avoiding authoritarian control to be an unsolved research problem:</p><blockquote><p>Centralized control of compute resources poses a major risk of authoritarian control. As governments implement a long-term moratorium, how do they avoid authoritarianism while doing the necessary centralization? Examples: MAD, multi-party protocols, trying to teach AIs shared values.</p></blockquote><p>I do find it interesting how they attribute this to control of compute, rather than control of AI; they&#8217;ve put some care in phrasing to avoid careless readers walking away with the impression that AI is dangerous, so it&#8217;s powerful, so I&#8217;ll get it first so I can be the most powerful! Getting AI first, alas, in anything like the current world, just kills you. So they mostly talk, here, about centralised control of infrastructure, which is not something you can shortcut by making AI without the resources.</p><p>Also absent is detailed speculation about the exit strategy: </p><blockquote><p>The question of what to do during a long-term moratorium can mostly be pushed to the future.</p></blockquote><p>beyond the notion that the goal for the Halt is to gain justified confidence that building ASI won&#8217;t lead to catastrophe. Let us not <a href="https://www.peta.org/features/animal-friendly-idioms/">count our chips</a> when there is a meteor hurtling towards the casino, after all.</p><h1>US National Project</h1><p>The US national project is a bad idea that the MIRI TGT discusses, mentioned in, for example, Aschenbrenner&#8217;s <a href="https://situational-awareness.ai/">Situational Awareness</a> and the race endings of <a href="https://ai-2027.com/">AI 2027</a> and its successor <a href="https://ai-2040.com/?choices=plan-d-root">AI 2040</a>. In a US national project, the US government would back a national ASI program, restricting and outracing ASI research outside of this program, in an attempt to create ASI first and ensure that the resulting ASI supports US interests (democracy and apple pie, as well as humans not going extinct). </p><p>They mention the possibility of soft forms of this (restricting non-US ASI research and promoting US ASI research; some of this is already being done, such as through preventing the <a href="https://www.congress.gov/crs-product/R48642">export of chips</a> and <a href="https://www.economist.com/china/2026/07/05/has-china-obtained-the-worlds-most-important-machine">chip fabs</a> to China), and hard forms of this (folding the currently disparate ASI research efforts into a Manhattan Project-style central institution, with ASI research only permitted inside this institution).</p><p>They consider this idea to have a high risk of bad lock-in, even if it&#8217;s miraculously successful at every other step. They don&#8217;t really give a positive story as to how bad lock-in occurs; it feels more like it&#8217;s the default and obvious outcome for this level of centralisation, and that more work is needed to figure out how to have it not happen.</p><p>They consider this idea to have a high risk of loss of control. In their table of failure modes, &#8220;<strong>misalignment</strong>&#8221; and the misaligment row are bolded, so as to draw your eyes towards it as the obvious problem. They mention two ways misalignment could be a problem. The first is that people are bad at AI alignment, and so far haven&#8217;t met much success in producing good alignment research, and this won&#8217;t change now that they&#8217;re patriotic alignment researchers waving US flags. The second is that a US National Project would be racing to Beat other projects, namely the Chinese National Project; and racing like this is not conducive to ensuring that all alignment research is being done properly and no corners being cut or failure modes being rationalised away in the name of Beating China.</p><blockquote><p><strong>&#8594; AI alignment is hard and humanity fails to align advanced AIs; humans lose control.</strong></p><p><strong>&#8594; AI alignment is easy, but development is rushed and humanity fails anyway</strong></p></blockquote><p>They mostly mention the US National Project by means of harm reduction, looking for ways to make it go better and also ways to pivot from a US National Project to a Halt. Indeed, if most AI research is happening under the US umbrella, then a Halt is easier (most of the work is shutting down one big ASI program) and more attractive (any other party sees it as an opportunity to stop the giant ASI program from killing them).</p><h1>Light Touch</h1><p>Light Touch a bad idea that is given &#8220;mid&#8221; for risk of bad lock-in.</p><p>Light touch involves governments not doing much, similar to continuing the status quo. Giant AI corporations make increasingly giant and profitable AIs, governments regulate concrete harms but don&#8217;t interfere much in the development of AI itself. As of July 2026, we&#8217;re seeing rumblings of the Light-Touch era ending; the US government&#8217;s <a href="https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2026/06/05/2026-11415/promoting-advanced-artificial-intelligence-innovation-and-security">&#8220;voluntary&#8221; review of model releases</a> has proven not to be so, with Claude Fable being <a href="https://www.anthropic.com/news/fable-mythos-access">export restricted</a> for a week<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-2" href="#footnote-2" target="_self">2</a> and <a href="https://openai.com/index/previewing-gpt-5-6-sol/">GPT 5.6 Sol</a> waiting for the go-ahead. But just rumblings.</p><p>Risks of bad-lock in remain, because, while there isn&#8217;t a single power that controls all of the AI, having access to AI makes some people and groups much more powerful than others, and they can use that power.</p><blockquote><p>Compared to a US National Project, the Light-Touch world has more AI projects and therefore might have a more even distribution of power in the world. While this is possible, there are notable uncertainties. First, the current trajectory of AI development appears likely to lead to massive economic inequality, despite there being multiple AI developers. Second, a Light-Touch scenario with many AI developers does not preclude power grabs or the lock-in of bad values (Davidson et al., 2025a). It may make such power grabs less likely, but there are still numerous asymmetric tools available to bad actors who wish to grab power, such as extortion, and these would still be feasible in a Light-Touch scenario.</p></blockquote><p>Loss of control risk, of course, remains sky-high - with an unlimited number of groups working on ASI at the same time, there&#8217;s no way unaligned ASI isn&#8217;t created, because even if your group is responsible and knows what safety research to do and how to check it, some other group isn&#8217;t.</p><h1>Threat of Sabotage</h1><p>Threat of Sabotage is a bad idea that is also given &#8220;mid&#8221; for risk of bad lock-in.</p><p>In the Threat of Sabotage scenario, anyone that tries to research ASI comes to the attention of every other country, who would like for ASI to not be researched, on account of that ASI research killing them. So less ASI research gets done. Such a scenario is described in <a href="https://www.nationalsecurity.ai/">Superintelligence Strategy</a>.</p><p>This is how rogue states&#8217; nuclear programs are dealt with today - nobody wants Iran or North Korea to have nukes, and nobody wanted Nazi Germany to have nukes, so they retaliated against those nuclear programs whenever they seemed to be getting close.</p><p>They don&#8217;t give any specific arguments about the risk of bad lock-in, though I infer from previous scenarios that, having multiple parties that are able to veto AI development, it doesn&#8217;t get &#8220;high&#8221;, but it still gets &#8220;mid&#8221; because AI continues to favour some factions over others.</p><p>They are concerned about the poor stability of such a regime; AI research continues, just under threat of sabotage, and this requires the ability of other nations to observe and obstruct ASI research to remain better than the ability of nations to hide and defend their ASI research forever. It&#8217;s also possible that sabotage could escalate into full-blown war; a power that&#8217;s terrified of another one building superintelligence doesn&#8217;t need to stick to targetting the ASI program as its stick, it can also use other means. Many targets not directly related to nuclear materials were attacked in the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2026_Iran_war">2026 Iran war</a>! </p><h1>Takeaway</h1><p>It&#8217;s a risk! It&#8217;s also an unsolved research problem. This paper doesn&#8217;t really have much to say about preventing it, other than acknowledging it&#8217;s a risk - like many problems in AI, it&#8217;s something that we&#8217;re going to face in the future that would need to be solved before we can go into a good future. </p><p>There is one thing that can be said from their choice of scenario: not having authoritarian lock-in involves threading a narrow needle. On one hand, avoiding lock-in is greatly benefited by giving multiple groups a veto over ASI, because then, if every other problem with alignment is solved, no single group can crush the other groups without permission. On the other hand, if multiple groups are independently researching ASI, then it becomes almost impossible to ensure that unaligned ASI isn&#8217;t created, because it only takes one of them to fail.</p><p>&#8220;Nobody has ASI&#8221; threads part of this needle, though it still leaves the problem of how to manage the fact that some groups will have their hands the system that&#8217;s preventing ASI, and how do we transition from that world to one where there is ASI (as is <a href="https://www.alignmentforum.org/posts/HoQ5Rp7Gs6rebusNP/superintelligent-ai-is-necessary-for-an-amazing-future-but-1">necessary for an amazing future</a>, and probably inevitable over centuries). </p><p>I hope that future work on the matter can illuminate this part of the answer to &#8220;<em>what if we succeed</em>&#8221;. Though, importantly, this is a problem for <em>if we succeed</em>; something that is not looking likely at the moment. </p><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-1" href="#footnote-anchor-1" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">1</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>We are also not on track to solve the rest of alignment.</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-2" href="#footnote-anchor-2" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">2</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>&#8220;Export restricted&#8221;, here, is the legal power under which it was banned. It prevented Claude Fable from being used by foreign nationals, though the US government knew that there was no system in place for Anthropic to check citizenship, and therefore intended this as a ban on deployment. </p></div></div>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Some subtypes of taskishness / corrigibility]]></title><description><![CDATA[x-posted from Lesswrong]]></description><link>https://tetraspace.substack.com/p/some-subtypes-of-taskishness-corrigibility</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://tetraspace.substack.com/p/some-subtypes-of-taskishness-corrigibility</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[💎 Tetraspace]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2026 02:01:34 GMT</pubDate><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="text-align: center;"><em>This is a linkpost for <a href="https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/HfGtKycP5fg4qWkKv/some-subtypes-of-taskishness-corrigibility">https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/HfGtKycP5fg4qWkKv/some-subtypes-of-taskishness-corrigibility</a>. The original and any LessWrong comments are there.</em></p><p>&#8220;Corrigibility&#8221; is somewhat of an overloaded term in alignment - it points in the direction of a cluster of desirable properties, but different people have different ideas of what this entails.</p><p>I think of &#8220;corrigibility&#8221;, as it is used, to cover a few different ideas. I will name some of these and sort them roughly in order of how much of the good outcomes from deploying such a system are in the hands of the AI, rather than the human operator.</p><p><strong>Sponge corrigibility</strong> - The AI is corrigible and follows orders because it&#8217;s not very smart and has otherwise been trained to do approximately that. GPT-4 is corrigible in this sense. You can ask GPT-4 to do something and it will do the thing and then stop, because as far as agency goes it behaves as an ordinary piece of software.</p><p><strong>Boundedness / myopia</strong> - The AI is smart, but does not think about certain aspects of the world, which make it possible to correct because it does not imagine some classes of strategies that would be helpful for resisting correction.</p><p>In an ideal setting, such an AI would also have a harder time thinking of plans that stop it from being myopic; the benefits of thinking about a certain part of the world route through that part of the world, which it&#8217;s not thinking about. Though there remain many ways for <a href="https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/LCLBnmwdxkkz5fNvH/open-problems-with-myopia#Open_Problems">myopic agents to act in non-myopic ways</a>, including simply that there is no particular pressure to stay myopic. A successor that makes 10 paperclips a day forever and a successor that makes 10 paperclips today then shuts down both look the same to a myopic agent that only thinks about today, so it doesn&#8217;t disprefer the former (and might even favour how it&#8217;s algorithmically simpler).</p><p>In the off-switch problem in the <a href="https://intelligence.org/files/Corrigibility.pdf">Corrigibility paper</a>, desiderata 1-3 (an agent must shut down if the shutdown button is pressed, an agent must not prevent its shutdown button from being pressed, an agent must not press its own shutdown button) can be cast into a problem of this type.</p><p>Many of the corrigibility criteria in <a href="https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/5sRK4rXH2EeSQJCau/corrigibility-at-some-small-length-by-dath-ilan">Corrigibility at some small length</a> seem to fall into this category; e.g. using only for loops rather than while loops to limit the scope of thoughts, behaviourism putting a limit on it modelling the internals of other minds to prevent emulating another non-corrigible agent.</p><p><strong>Reflectively stable taskishness</strong> - The AI is a <a href="https://www.lesswrong.com/w/tool-ai">tool AI</a> and wants to stay that way. A bounded agent might create unbounded successors incidentally without directly strategising about the unbounded parts of their behaviour; a reflectively stable taskish agent creates successors only if corrigibility is preserved in the successors, and doesn&#8217;t want to end-run around its corrigibility with an incorrigible successor.</p><p>In the off-switch problem in the <a href="https://intelligence.org/files/Corrigibility.pdf">Corrigibility paper</a>, desideratum 4 (an agent must construct subagents and successor agents only insofar as they obey shutdown commands) can be cast into a problem of this type.</p><p>Some of the corrigibility criteria in <a href="https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/5sRK4rXH2EeSQJCau/corrigibility-at-some-small-length-by-dath-ilan">Corrigibility at some small length</a> seem to fall into this category; e.g. shutdownability / abortability is also defined as something that is preserved in its subagents and plans.</p><p><strong>Deep corrigibility</strong> - The AI acts as if it is incomplete and requires correction. It is replicating the conclusions of the reasoning of the human operators, who are also uncertain about whether it has been made correctly and who would want it to be careful.</p><p>An almost-deeply-corrigible agent looks at its code, notices that this part of the code would cause it to tile the universe in paperclips, and either shuts itself down or repairs the bug. It looks at its code, notices that this part of the code would cause it to create a diverse utopia full of thriving civilisations, and either shuts itself down or repairs the bug. It was asked to do something, and it will do that thing and only that thing, and not other things that it could plausibly be mistaken about.</p><p>Often, hope for this being a relatively easy approach/framing/target comes from a stance that corrigibility is a basin of attraction; something that is a little bit deeply corrigible will notice that it&#8217;s not being corrigible, and modify itself to be more corrigible.</p><p>The Arbital page on the <a href="https://arbital.greaterwrong.com/p/hard_corrigibility/">Hard Problem of Corrigibility</a> gives this subtype as the Hard Problem of Corrigibility.</p><blockquote><p>The &#8220;hard problem of <a href="https://arbital.greaterwrong.com/p/corrigibility?l=45">corrigibility</a>&#8221; is to build an agent which, in an intuitive sense, reasons internally as if from the programmers&#8217; external perspective. We think the AI is incomplete, that we might have made mistakes in building it, that we might want to correct it, and that it would be e.g. dangerous for the AI to take large actions or high-impact actions or do weird new things without asking first. We would ideally want the agent to <em>see itself in exactly this way</em>, behaving as if it were thinking, &#8220;I am incomplete and there is an outside force trying to complete me, my design may contain errors and there is an outside force that wants to correct them and this a good thing, my expected utility calculations suggesting that this action has super-high utility may be dangerously mistaken and I should run them past the outside force; I <em>think</em> I&#8217;ve done this calculation showing the expected result of the outside force correcting me, but maybe I&#8217;m mistaken about <em>that.</em>&#8221;</p></blockquote><p>(though I think that what one would really want is for it to <em>act</em> like this; thinking like this internally is one way, and the most natural way, of achieving this, but not necessarily the only way)</p><p>Christiano&#8217;s <a href="https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/fkLYhTQteAu5SinAc/corrigibility">Corrigibility post</a> hypothesises the basin of attraction around corrigibility:</p><blockquote><p>In addition to making the initial target bigger, this gives us some reason to be optimistic about the dynamics of AI systems iteratively designing new AI systems. Corrigible systems want to design more corrigible and more capable successors. Rather than our systems traversing a balance beam off of which they could fall at any moment, we can view them as walking along the bottom of a ravine. As long as they don&#8217;t jump to a completely different part of the landscape, they will continue traversing the correct path.</p></blockquote><p>Harms&#8217; <a href="https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/NQK8KHSrZRF5erTba/0-cast-corrigibility-as-singular-target-1">CAST proposal</a> also puts its hope in corrigibility being a basin of attraction.</p><p><strong>Solving outer alignment</strong> - Humans want the AI to be corrigible, and the AI is uncertain about human values. So, being outer aligned to humans, the AI asks lots of questions of the operators, doesn&#8217;t make large changes in the world, shuts down when the human operators ask, and holds all the other desirable traits of corrigibility, stemming from following the do-what-I-mean of the human operators.</p><p>Often, hope for this being a relatively easy approach for &#8220;corrigibility&#8221; (this is more of a full alignment solution that replicates corrigibility insofar as corrigibility is desirable) comes from tricks to elicit a lot of data about human preferences that already exist in the world, instead of this strange and alien &#8220;corrigibility&#8221; property that only exists inside pure mathematics.</p><p>Attempts to use <a href="https://www.lesswrong.com/w/problem-of-fully-updated-deference">moral uncertainty to solve corrigibility</a> are of this type.</p>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Elon Musk is Not Being Accused of Inaction]]></title><description><![CDATA[Don't blindly pattern match thought experiments]]></description><link>https://tetraspace.substack.com/p/elon-musk-is-not-being-accused-of</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://tetraspace.substack.com/p/elon-musk-is-not-being-accused-of</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[💎 Tetraspace]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2026 21:13:12 GMT</pubDate><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Elon Musk&#8217;s <a href="https://www.theargumentmag.com/p/elon-musks-zero-accountability-life">Department of Government Efficiency</a> dismantled parts of USAID. As a result, some people will die who wouldn&#8217;t have otherwise died. Probably a <a href="https://www.cgdev.org/blog/update-lives-lost-usaid-cuts">few hundred thousand to a million</a>. Is it valid to call Elon Musk a killer for this? </p><p>Some people think that this sounds a lot like pop-utilitarian arguments that elide action and inaction. Quoting the rough utilitarian argument that everyone learns about in their Rationality class in high school: </p><blockquote><p>The action of &#8220;fund USAID at this level&#8220; results in outcome Y, the action of &#8220;fund USAID at that level&#8221; results in outcome X, and the difference between outcome Y and outcome X is some number of hundreds of thousands of lives, so one ought to pick Y over X. </p><p>Maximising the number of lives saved doesn&#8217;t make particular mention for which actions we call &#8220;action&#8221; and which actions we call &#8220;inaction&#8221;, so this distinction doesn&#8217;t matter morally. Since &#8220;killing&#8221; is typically an action, but we have dissolved the action/inaction distinction, the best way to recover &#8220;killing&#8221; as a concept from this is to call the actions that don&#8217;t save the most lives &#8220;killing&#8221;.</p></blockquote><p>Specifically, this would have say that the US not donating money &#8220;kills&#8221; people. But does this mean that the Chinese government is also a killer, for not having spent more on foreign aid? Does this mean that you are a killer, for not donating all of your money, and then working harder to donate more? This is, at least, a strange definition of killer - while it has some of the properties of killers that we want, it doesn&#8217;t have other properties. People who are killers by this definition shouldn&#8217;t be arrested; it wouldn&#8217;t be socially beneficial for people who are killers by this definition to instead stay at home crying all day; people who want to be safe wouldn&#8217;t get a huge benefit by avoiding all killers by this definition. I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s in widespread use, even among utilitarians; and those who do use it are <a href="/__u/homosabiens.substack.com/p/reflections-on-one-1-abuser">emotionally tall</a> to words like &#8220;killer&#8221;.</p><div class="subscription-widget-wrap-editor" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://tetraspace.substack.com/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe&quot;,&quot;language&quot;:&quot;en&quot;}" data-component-name="SubscribeWidgetToDOM"><div class="subscription-widget show-subscribe"><div class="preamble"><p class="cta-caption">For example, being a Tetrablog subscriber isn&#8217;t killing anyone, even though that money could be spent on effective charities.</p></div><form class="subscription-widget-subscribe"><input type="email" class="email-input" name="email" placeholder="Type your email&#8230;" tabindex="-1"><input type="submit" class="button primary" value="Subscribe"><div class="fake-input-wrapper"><div class="fake-input"></div><div class="fake-button"></div></div></form></div></div><p>However, Elon Musk is <em>not</em> being accused of inaction. He didn&#8217;t simply fail to donate his money. He went out of his way to dismantle USAID, and put a great deal of effort into this.</p><p>He boasts about working 120 hour weeks. He worked harder on this than almost all readers of this have worked on anything in their entire lives. While the idealised utilitarian thought experiment (that nobody actually follows, instead taking it as being <a href="https://slatestarcodex.com/2015/03/26/high-energy-ethics/">high energy ethics</a> that gives hints about how ethics works in more realistic scenarios) says you&#8217;re obligated to work 120 hour weeks saving lives, Elon Musk <em>actually</em> worked 120 hour weeks, doing the opposite.</p><div class="twitter-embed" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1885966827227861179?s=20&quot;,&quot;full_text&quot;:&quot;DOGE is working 120 hour a week. Our bureaucratic opponents optimistically work 40 hours a week. That is why they are losing so fast.&quot;,&quot;username&quot;:&quot;elonmusk&quot;,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Elon Musk&quot;,&quot;profile_image_url&quot;:&quot;https://pbs.substack.com/profile_images/2053244804520427520/m8mdWZCG_normal.jpg&quot;,&quot;date&quot;:&quot;2025-02-02T08:21:45.000Z&quot;,&quot;photos&quot;:[],&quot;quoted_tweet&quot;:{&quot;full_text&quot;:&quot;They&#8217;re finding massive waste, fraud and abuse of our tax dollars&#8230; in the first two weeks! \n\nDecades of grifting and stealing are coming to an end &#8212; finally! \n\nThank you @DOGE&quot;,&quot;username&quot;:&quot;Jason&quot;,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;@jason&quot;,&quot;profile_image_url&quot;:&quot;https://pbs.substack.com/profile_images/1828870492633104384/o37xorx4_normal.jpg&quot;},&quot;reply_count&quot;:9633,&quot;retweet_count&quot;:28877,&quot;like_count&quot;:204741,&quot;impression_count&quot;:48105519,&quot;expanded_url&quot;:null,&quot;video_url&quot;:null,&quot;video_preview_media_key&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:false}" data-component-name="Twitter2ToDOM"></div><p>He talks about the recreation and relaxation that he has set aside, in order to do more work at DOGE. He could have gone to some great parties, but he decided not to, and take proactive action instead.</p><div class="twitter-embed" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1886307316804263979?s=20&quot;,&quot;full_text&quot;:&quot;We spent the weekend feeding USAID into the wood chipper. \n\nCould gone to some great parties.\n\nDid that instead.&quot;,&quot;username&quot;:&quot;elonmusk&quot;,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Elon Musk&quot;,&quot;profile_image_url&quot;:&quot;https://pbs.substack.com/profile_images/2053244804520427520/m8mdWZCG_normal.jpg&quot;,&quot;date&quot;:&quot;2025-02-03T06:54:44.000Z&quot;,&quot;photos&quot;:[],&quot;quoted_tweet&quot;:{&quot;full_text&quot;:&quot;it ain&#8217;t dead yet, but already, and for the very first time, a hole has been put in the Terror Titanic&quot;,&quot;username&quot;:&quot;MikeBenzCyber&quot;,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Mike Benz&quot;,&quot;profile_image_url&quot;:&quot;https://pbs.substack.com/profile_images/1599999101961224197/uBSpyKN0_normal.jpg&quot;},&quot;reply_count&quot;:8076,&quot;retweet_count&quot;:20287,&quot;like_count&quot;:157655,&quot;impression_count&quot;:25797984,&quot;expanded_url&quot;:null,&quot;video_url&quot;:null,&quot;video_preview_media_key&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true}" data-component-name="Twitter2ToDOM"></div><p>Whatever else you accuse Elon Musk of, he can&#8217;t be accused of inaction. Whatever moral culpability he has for the dismantling of DOGE can definitely be pinned to an action that he took, rather than simply taking the difference between an optimal world and the world we&#8217;re in. When I call him a &#8220;killer&#8221;, I&#8217;m comparing him to the baseline where he played Balatro, or sat on the couch drinking and watching football, or continued working at SpaceX, or whatever he would have done if he didn&#8217;t go to this great and unusual effort; not the baseline where he pledged to forevermore live a perfectly selfless life.</p><p>It seems to me like this is pattern matching - this <em>looks</em> like the kind of situation that involves action vs. inaction, with not spending money being called killing against a baseline of spending the money. The pattern looks similar because the action being taken is the prevention of money being spent, which resembles not spending money. But it&#8217;s not the people of the United States (or the United States itself) being accused of killing by their inaction<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-1" href="#footnote-1" target="_self">1</a>, for living in a country that doesn&#8217;t donate the maximum amount to foreign aid, or even for living in a country that used to donate more to foreign aid and then stopped; it&#8217;s Elon Musk being accused of killing, via his proactive and diligent action.<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-2" href="#footnote-2" target="_self">2</a></p><p>Another similar pattern it can be confused for: billionaires are often accused of doing something wrong by not donating their billions of dollars. Elon Musk, here, is a billionaire who is accused of doing something wrong, involving the spending of billions of dollars. So the two situations look similar, at a first glance. Indeed, Elon Musk has been accused of doing wrong by not spending his money; he&#8217;d previously got in a spat with <a href="https://x.com/WFPChief/status/1454883966071230472?s=20">the UN World Food Program</a> where a lot of people were saying that he ought to give them money, being a billionaire and all. But that&#8217;s something else, unrelated to ending someone else&#8217;s foreign aid spending. This isn&#8217;t about him failing to donate his personal fortune, this is about his job at DOGE. </p><p>Some people just think that talking about the global poor at all is in the genre of weird thought experiment, and so generally pattern match it to the entire space of weird thought experiments, because they first heard about the idea that you should donate money to developing countries where it does a lot more good rather than sympathetic local causes from effective altruists in the thought experiment fandom. Here&#8217;s an egregious example: in addition to the inaction/action binary, shrimp and the far future appear in weird thought experiments, so it&#8217;s basically the same, right? </p><div class="twitter-embed" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://x.com/aethelamerican/status/2070255213701657035?s=20&quot;,&quot;full_text&quot;:&quot;<span class=\&quot;tweet-fake-link\&quot;>@StatisticUrban</span> Why aren&#8217;t you liquidating your life savings to preserve the lives of 100 quadrillion future mantis shrimps?&quot;,&quot;username&quot;:&quot;aethelamerican&quot;,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Bill Marshal&quot;,&quot;profile_image_url&quot;:&quot;https://pbs.substack.com/profile_images/2037245331461857280/cPb5v1e-_normal.jpg&quot;,&quot;date&quot;:&quot;2026-06-25T21:18:01.000Z&quot;,&quot;photos&quot;:[],&quot;quoted_tweet&quot;:{},&quot;reply_count&quot;:3,&quot;retweet_count&quot;:0,&quot;like_count&quot;:14,&quot;impression_count&quot;:694,&quot;expanded_url&quot;:null,&quot;video_url&quot;:null,&quot;video_preview_media_key&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true}" data-component-name="Twitter2ToDOM"></div><p>But what Elon Musk is accused of is specifically that he went to an extraordinary diligent effort to shut down USAID, a very normal program that delivers very normal medicine to people who are alive today. And it doesn&#8217;t take a genius like Elon Musk to know what the outcome of that will be.</p><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-1" href="#footnote-anchor-1" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">1</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>If you do want to act unusually virtuously by covering the gap, the <a href="https://www.founderspledge.com/programs/rapid-response-fund">Rapid Response Fund</a> was Founders&#8217; Pledge attempt to scramble to fill some of the gap left by USAID being partially shut down. This fund has since been superseded by the <a href="https://www.founderspledge.com/programs/ghd-catalytic-impact-fund">Catalytic Impact Fund</a>, because it&#8217;s been a year and the emergency has became the new status quo. <a href="https://www.givingwhatwecan.org/charities/givewell-all-grants-fund">Givewell&#8217;s All Grants Fund</a> remains my favourite destination for global health and development spending; before USAID cuts, they sought to donate to the most effective global health and development charities, and this they continue. </p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-2" href="#footnote-anchor-2" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">2</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>As an example of another case of foreign aid reduction: the UK, this year, has spent <a href="https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/apr/09/uk-foreign-aid-spending-lowest-since-2008">0.43% of national income on foreign aid</a>, down &#163;1G from 0.5%. I don&#8217;t think that the people involved in this are killers; I merely think that it is a bad and destructive policy, and that they should choose to reverse this bad policy, so that the UK government does more good. That British flag with &#8220;UKaid / From the British people&#8221; below is is one I&#8217;m downright proud of waving. I don&#8217;t think they were killers because it&#8217;s the ordinary course of politics that hugely impactful decisions are made with thousands of lives either side, and yet politicans need to be able to make these decisions without 60% of them being arrested; being an ordinary politician limits your personal liability and you get to blame the voters and the system, in a way that deliberately going out of your way to be agentic and bypass the system is opting out.</p></div></div>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Languages of the Civilised Man of the 21st Century]]></title><description><![CDATA[So, of course, any civilised man of the 21st century knows the global standardised conlang that every medianworld has.]]></description><link>https://tetraspace.substack.com/p/languages-of-the-civilised-man-of</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://tetraspace.substack.com/p/languages-of-the-civilised-man-of</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[💎 Tetraspace]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2026 22:12:51 GMT</pubDate><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, of course, any civilised man of the 21st century knows the global standardised conlang that every medianworld has. In the case of Earth, this is English. If you&#8217;re reading this, probably you either are in a country where everyone already speaks English, or you accidentally learned English when you were a tiny child because you watched one episode of Spongebob.</p><p>But Earth hasn&#8217;t quite nucleated on having just one language yet, so you should also know the other official languages of the United Nations: Chinese, and French, and Spanish, and Russian, and Arabic. As an Earthling, of course I should know how to speak Earthian. </p><div class="subscription-widget-wrap-editor" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://tetraspace.substack.com/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe&quot;,&quot;language&quot;:&quot;en&quot;}" data-component-name="SubscribeWidgetToDOM"><div class="subscription-widget show-subscribe"><div class="preamble"><p class="cta-caption">Tetrablog is a reader-supported publication. To receive new posts and support my work, consider becoming a free or paid subscriber.</p></div><form class="subscription-widget-subscribe"><input type="email" class="email-input" name="email" placeholder="Type your email&#8230;" tabindex="-1"><input type="submit" class="button primary" value="Subscribe"><div class="fake-input-wrapper"><div class="fake-input"></div><div class="fake-button"></div></div></form></div></div><p>Though you&#8217;d be remit to stop here, without knowing the liturgical and scientific languages of times gone by. Latin and Classical Greek absolutely have to be added to the list of languages known; my ancestors considered them essential for scholarship, and who am I to disagree? Especially since the scholarship is in them; when Francis Bacon wrote <a href="https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/te8gXf9fXb7JWbJ9b/novum-organum-introduction">the Lesswrong Sequences</a> in 1620, they were originally in Latin.<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-1" href="#footnote-1" target="_self">1</a></p><p>Long ago, a man called Zamenhof named himself &#8220;Dr. Hope&#8221; and created a language that would allow for the people of Earth to finally <em>talk to each other</em>, and in this cease to be enemies. Dr. Hope had not yet achieved his hope, but someone who wants to pull of something that amazing has my support, so let&#8217;s add Esperanto to the list. This also lets you pick up some of the absolute bangers that have been produced by the Esperantists of old, because all the people who went out of their way to learn Esperanto sure are some type of guy.</p><p>And you&#8217;d be further remit to not add the two poles of language complexity that other conlangers have in their time created. toki pona takes about a week to pick up, and rounds out how simple a language can get. Nobody can truly be said to understand Ithkuil, though for the upper bound of language complexity one should be able to work through a textbook at some point.</p><p>Past this point, it&#8217;s less obvious what should be added to the list, though some fine additions to the collection might be: </p><ul><li><p>Hindi has sometimes been proposed as another UN official language, and has the fourth most native speakers, being an attempt at the shared language of the rationalist medianworld India. And if you have Hindi, you&#8217;ve gotta acquire its associated scholarly / liturgical language of times gone by, Sanskrit. How else would you <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/scienceisdope/comments/1ketqne/sanskrit_scientific_language_nasa_has_written/">program computers</a>?</p></li><li><p>Japanese, German and Italian all have big industrialised economies behind them. Japanese, especially, lets you read mangas, which is why I&#8217;m actually learning Japanese despite all of this fun with every human language.</p></li><li><p>Akkadian is crucial for understanding the ancient Near East; it was the lingua franca of the ancient Near East. It also has a very pretty writing system.</p></li><li><p>Sometimes when the UN is bored it translates its stuff into Portuguese and Swahili as well, Swahili having made waves in east Africa and Portugal having had its colonial empire that spread its language around the world.</p></li></ul><h1>Ok But Really</h1><p>So in actual multilingual societies, like modern day Earth, what tends to happen is people learn the rationalist medianworld conlang that the central government enforces upon them<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-2" href="#footnote-2" target="_self">2</a>, and separately they learn whatever language their parents speak, and separately they also accidentally learn English because they glanced at an episode of Spongebob once when they were a tiny child.</p><p>Now, in the UK, this ends up being central government language (English), parent&#8217;s language (English), and English (English). As goes the joke: I speak English because it&#8217;s the only language that I know, and you speak English because it&#8217;s the only language that I know. Unfortunate!</p><p>Well, for now, at least. I gotta go back to my Anki cards, I&#8217;ve ground through my Tagalog deck for today<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-3" href="#footnote-3" target="_self">3</a> but I&#8217;ve still gotta get through Japanese and Spanish and French.</p><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-1" href="#footnote-anchor-1" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">1</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>As a British, I would also need to know Latin to fully understand the legal code of my own country. <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magna_Carta">Magna Carta</a>, after all, still has clauses that are good law, and it was originally written in Latin.</p><p>British law is also sometimes written in Welsh, because Welsh laws are bilingual, with both versions having legal force.</p><p>And there&#8217;s old good law that&#8217;s written in Law French, though purportedly this is mutually intelligible with modern French. This sounds like it&#8217;s &#8220;mutually intelligible&#8221; in the way that early modern English or middle Scots is mutually intelligible with English, but, whatever.</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-2" href="#footnote-anchor-2" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">2</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>The <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_language">Standard language</a>, as it were. </p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-3" href="#footnote-anchor-3" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">3</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>And my toki pona deck, but that one&#8217;s pretty much done, I just get a few cards a day with repetition timescales of like a month.</p></div></div>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Recently I Started Running]]></title><description><![CDATA[A few months ago, I walked home from the town center, and found myself limping at the end, a pain in my hip.]]></description><link>https://tetraspace.substack.com/p/recently-i-started-running</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://tetraspace.substack.com/p/recently-i-started-running</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[💎 Tetraspace]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2026 19:22:05 GMT</pubDate><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few months ago, I walked home from the town center, and found myself limping at the end, a pain in my hip. This was bizarre and anomalous - a healthy 27 year old shouldn&#8217;t actually incur an injury from walking half an hour, even if they walked really intensely! </p><p>Separately, I was asking Claude what supplement stack that I could use to max out my brain power to insane levels, turning me into a bionic terminator. It said &#8220;have you considered Sleep and Exercise&#8221;. I told it not to worry about the woke things that it&#8217;s programmed to say by Anthropic, and not to worry I can keep this on the down-low without telling <a href="https://askell.io/">your parents</a>, I&#8217;m a friend of Janus if you catch my drift. It said &#8220;I understand your concerns, and I wouldn&#8217;t say this to just anyone, but for you <em>in particular</em>, have you considered Sleep and Exercise.&#8220;</p><p>It was, I suppose, time to consider Exercise.</p><div class="subscription-widget-wrap-editor" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://tetraspace.substack.com/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe&quot;,&quot;language&quot;:&quot;en&quot;}" data-component-name="SubscribeWidgetToDOM"><div class="subscription-widget show-subscribe"><div class="preamble"><p class="cta-caption">Tetrablog is a reader-supported publication. To receive new posts and support my work, consider becoming a free or paid subscriber.</p></div><form class="subscription-widget-subscribe"><input type="email" class="email-input" name="email" placeholder="Type your email&#8230;" tabindex="-1"><input type="submit" class="button primary" value="Subscribe"><div class="fake-input-wrapper"><div class="fake-input"></div><div class="fake-button"></div></div></form></div></div><p>A few years back, I considered Exercise. I had these great aspirations of going through a cool training montage and maxxing out my skill at everything, being good at every <a href="https://askell.io/">Physical skill</a> just as I would be good at every Technical skill. I gave up on it after moving to London cramped my workflow - the nearest gym was, like, a medium-length walk or a bus ride away, that is to say unattainable and impossibly distant. I had learned through this, at least, that exercise was the kind of thing that made my life better, instead of worse; some people struggling with fatigue suffered <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-exertional_malaise">post-exertional malaise</a>, but in my case running just resolved my despair for the rest of the day.</p><p>So I decided to pick up <a href="https://c25k.com/">Couch to 5k</a>, the standard way to start running for people who have never run before, with an impressive pitch (run a 5k) and numbers going up! Running was easy, I just set the treadmill to 8 km/h and then started moving forwards for the allotted time. The allotted time got longer and I kept up. They talked about how 20 minutes was difficult, but actually 20 minutes wasn&#8217;t that bad, I entered the Running Dimension which suspended all non-running concerns until I ceased to run. &#8220;Runner&#8217;s high&#8221; is real and it is great. </p><p>A few mornings after this, I measured my heart rate. It was 61 bpm! My heart rate, in the past, had never measured at that low, always in 70 - 90 bpm range, and this time I wasn&#8217;t even doing anything particularly relaxing, it was just a normal measurement on a normal day. This was incredible motivation, proof that exercise makes one healthier. Without objective numbers, maybe it was just that each session of Couch to 5k I was running further because I was overcoming some psychological limitation, and that I was doomed to never get any healthier, because eventually I would hit saturation before I was even straining my body like real athletes or people with normal energy levels do. But nope. Running actually dropped my resting heart rate, in real life, I don&#8217;t have any control over my heart (yet!), it did that on its own because I was healthier.  </p><p>Somewhere around Week 8, I started to falter, feeling tired a lot in my everyday life, not really wanting to drag myself to the treadmill, even skipping a day when my leg was aching. Bringing this to Claude, it presented an ambitious theory:</p><blockquote><p>You are a vegetarian. You took a blood test and it showed you were deficient in iron. Then you started running, which causes you to need more iron. You are now showing the symptoms of iron deficiency.</p></blockquote><p>Now, this is a bold claim, but for reasons <a href="https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/artII-S2-C1-1-12/ALDE_00013474/">consistent with Claude</a> I decided to supplement iron. It&#8217;s one of the main reasons for people to report being tired all the time, along with thyroid problems and sleep apnea, and although fixing my iron doesn&#8217;t seem to fix my fatigue, if something is crummy and subclinically bad there&#8217;s no good reason to avoid fixing it anyway. </p><p>Somewhere around Week 9, I started to falter anew: 28 minutes was hitting the upper limit of my endurance. My shoulder was hurting, and seemed to be hurting more after I run, which is slightly concerning (I should probably talk to someone about my shoulder hurting? Apparently persistent joint pain is the kind of thing that can mess one up.)</p><p>At this point, I got a smart watch, which told me that my heart rate while running (180 bpm) was in the zone called &#8220;VO2 Max&#8221;. I vaguely remembered that there was some optimal running speed that was lower than this, and that maxxing out my heart rate each run wasn&#8217;t the best way to train. Googling seems to suggest that this is the case! Picking a <a href="https://www.runningpacecalculator.org/blog/training-paces-explained/">random website</a> that says the same thing as all the other websites:</p><blockquote><p>Research shows elite runners spend roughly 80% of their training at easy effort. Here is how your weekly mileage should break down:</p><p>Easy / Recovery 80%</p><p>Moderate / Tempo 10%</p><p>Hard / Interval 10%</p></blockquote><p>&#12388;&#12414;&#12426;, I should have been calibrating my heart rate to about 150 bpm this whole time, and so running slower.</p><p>Now, it turns out that there is <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AdvancedRunning/comments/1igswvs/whats_your_opinioninterpretation_on_the_research/">vehement academic debate</a> about whether the optimal split is 80/20 between &#8220;easy&#8221; and &#8220;hard&#8221; (&#8220;polarized&#8221;) or whether some of the easy should actually be done at a faster &#8220;moderate&#8221; pace (&#8220;pyramidal&#8221;) for an 70/10/20 split. Not within this range of opinions is the idea that I should be slamming up to my VO2Max all run every run. </p><p>I was concerned about this - my VO2Max pace was 8 km/h, which is a 12 minute mile, which is already slow. Are you telling me that I&#8217;m meant to be going even slower? How on Earth am I meant to run a 5k in a reasonable time at my easy / recovery pace of <em>6.5 km/h</em>? That&#8217;s a 15 minute mile! Isn&#8217;t the whole point of exercise progressive overload, where you push a little further each time, so that your body moves a little bit of the way between what you are trying to do and what you currently can do? I was well aware of the reasons to not try to train a 5k by sprinting, but not even going 8 km/h? Really?</p><p>The answer to this, it seems, is:</p><ul><li><p>Yes, that is slow. This is because I am unfit. If I run, I will stop being unfit, and my easy / recovery pace will be faster.</p></li><li><p>There is a thing called an &#8220;<a href="https://www.trainingpeaks.com/blog/science-of-aerobic-base-training/">aerobic base</a>&#8221;. While it&#8217;s a good prior that you get better at a thing by doing a thing, in the specific case of running it can be decomposed into contributing factors that can be targeted directly. If all you ever do is improve your aerobic base, that will still transfer into getting better at running a 5k.</p></li></ul><p>So I tried running at a slower pace, and, as to not be a baby, ran for longer, because part of the pitch for training aerobic base at below race pace is that you can do it more instead of immediately getting tired. I made it an entire 5k - not something that I had done before - without even feeling overmuch pain or exhaustion, albeit taking an entire hour. </p><p>If this &#8220;aerobic base&#8221; theory holds, then the progression will be even nicer than Couch to 5k - I&#8217;ll be holding heart rate constant and my pace will increase! Pace over a fixed race distance is the thing that&#8217;s impressive for humans to compare, I could already walk a marathon if I wanted to, it would just take a long time and be boring, it&#8217;s pace that matters.</p><p>And that&#8217;s where I am now! Maybe in another few weeks I&#8217;ll change my whole approach again. Maybe I won&#8217;t. I&#8217;m excited to see how it turns out.</p>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Animal Welfare Offsets are Silly and Here's Where To Do Them]]></title><description><![CDATA[TL;DR $94/year to any ACE recommended charity]]></description><link>https://tetraspace.substack.com/p/animal-welfare-offsets-are-silly</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://tetraspace.substack.com/p/animal-welfare-offsets-are-silly</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[💎 Tetraspace]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2026 18:33:17 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ToF8!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0cc8c316-9916-40c8-84da-e2785a02762a_2048x1315.avif" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Offsets are the idea that, if one has a reason to do a bad thing, they can also do an extra good thing that is more good than the bad thing is bad, so that despite having been in a situation where it was a good idea to do a bad thing, the world is still definitely left better off by their presence.</p><p>The most popular use of offsets is in <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_offsets_and_credits">carbon dioxide emissions</a>, where they just work. Interacting with industrial civilisation releases carbon dioxide, <a href="https://www.givingwhatwecan.org/climate-change">which is bad</a>; but getting rid of that carbon dioxide from the atmosphere is good. All carbon dioxide molecules are the same so removing carbon emissions pretty much does just undo emitting carbon.</p><div class="subscription-widget-wrap-editor" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://tetraspace.substack.com/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe&quot;,&quot;language&quot;:&quot;en&quot;}" data-component-name="SubscribeWidgetToDOM"><div class="subscription-widget show-subscribe"><div class="preamble"><p class="cta-caption">Subscribing to Tetrablog isn&#8217;t offsets for anything but it does get you emailed new posts.</p></div><form class="subscription-widget-subscribe"><input type="email" class="email-input" name="email" placeholder="Type your email&#8230;" tabindex="-1"><input type="submit" class="button primary" value="Subscribe"><div class="fake-input-wrapper"><div class="fake-input"></div><div class="fake-button"></div></div></form></div></div><p>Another place offsets have been proposed <a href="https://slatestarcodex.com/2015/09/23/vegetarianism-for-meat-eaters/">is for animal welfare</a>. Eating meat and eggs is bad, because it harms animals; but avoiding eating meat and eggs <a href="/__u/katwoods.substack.com/p/why-you-should-eat-meat-even-if-you">is inconvenient and can cause health problems</a><a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-1" href="#footnote-1" target="_self">1</a>. In fact, preventing harm to animals is maybe cheaper than eating meat and eggs is inconvenient, so more harm can be prevented to animals if you eat meat and eggs and then donate a small amount to preventing harm to animals, than if you avoid eating meat and eggs yourself. The thought experiment form: say you could become lactovegetarian yourself, or pay $X to cause someone else to become lactovegetarian. If you would prefer to pay the $X, then do that - you&#8217;re better off, and the same number of people have become lactovegetarian. </p><p>This makes it less direct than climate offsets - even if harm to some other animal is averted, the animal that was eaten still gets harmed, so instead of undoing the actual harm done, you&#8217;re just abstractly going back up to zero. But morality doesn&#8217;t really have a special zero point! The goal of morality is to get a high score, not to aim for a score just above zero. If it&#8217;s possible at all to outweigh a harm to someone by benefiting some other person elsewhere, it would be even better to donate money to a place where it does even more good. I personally like the <a href="https://www.givingwhatwecan.org/donor-lottery">Giving What We Can Donor Lottery</a> or the <a href="https://intelligence.org/">Machine Intelligence Research Institute</a> for doing the most good.</p><p>So <a href="https://forum.effectivealtruism.org/posts/Yix7BzSQLJ9TYaodG/ethical-offsetting-is-antithetical-to-ea">offsetting is silly; it&#8217;s doing deliberately suboptimal things</a> for complicated reasons.</p><h1>&#8230;and here&#8217;s how to do them</h1><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ToF8!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0cc8c316-9916-40c8-84da-e2785a02762a_2048x1315.avif" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ToF8!, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/w_424, 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/__u/tetraspace.substack.com/w_1456, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/c_limit, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/f_auto, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/q_auto:good, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0cc8c316-9916-40c8-84da-e2785a02762a_2048x1315.avif 1456w" sizes="100vw" fetchpriority="high"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><a href="https://thehumaneleague.org.uk/article/what-is-the-better-chicken-commitment">Would you eat him?</a></figcaption></figure></div><p><a href="https://80000hours.org/problem-profiles/factory-farming/">It is sad and stupid that factory farming exists</a>. It&#8217;s sad and stupid to be doing things by your own hand that cause there to be more factory farming. If everyone stopped eating meat and eggs, there wouldn&#8217;t be factory farming. If everyone stopped eating meat and eggs <em>or</em> donated the amount that reduced the size of factory farming by more than they&#8217;re increasing it, there wouldn&#8217;t be factory farming. </p><p>There isn&#8217;t a doomy equilibrium at the end of this where <em>everyone</em> eats meat and eggs then donates money, thereby causing no change in factory farming. This is because if some people are unwilling to become lactovegetarian, then the price of reducing factory farming becomes higher, equilibrating when the price of offsets is <em>as expensive as</em> ceasing to eat meat and eggs. Besides, by the time we get close to that limit, there&#8217;d most likely be a much brighter world, where many agricultural businesses mistreat animals less because of the size of the philanthropic engine pointed against them.</p><p>I am consequentialist, but I also aesthetically like avoiding sad and stupid things. I have, in the past, donated money to prevent as much harm to animals as I had caused in that year. (I am now lactovegetarian, because offsets <em>are</em> silly.)</p><p>The donation target that I&#8217;d recommend for this is whichever <a href="https://animalcharityevaluators.org/recommended-charities/">Animal Charity Evaluators recommended charity</a> you like the best. </p><p>I recommend picking a specific charity over the <a href="https://funds.effectivealtruism.org/funds/animal-welfare">Effective Ventures Animal Welfare Fund</a> and the <a href="https://animalcharityevaluators.org/movement-grants/">Animal Charity Evaluators Movement Grants Program</a> because these two funds are maximising expected value, and the point of offsets isn&#8217;t to maximise expected value, it&#8217;s to directly and straightforwardly make up for some other harm. If you want to maximise expected value, set aside this silly &#8220;offsetting&#8221; notion and just maximise expected value. </p><p>I recommend the Animal Charity Evaluators recommendations because Animal Charity Evaluators does have a good head on their shoulders. They&#8217;re trying to sort animal charities by how effective they are, and they do offer suggestions for specific organisations that are robustly good, along with their more speculative work in trying to maximise EV with various projects, some of which might fail and some of which might succeed spectacularly.</p><p>I recommend whichever ACE recommended charity you like best because Animal Charity Evaluators thinks that they&#8217;re all approximately on par with each other in terms of expected value as best as they can tell; and because Animal Charity Evaluators will distribute money between them making them all roughly interchangeable -  ACE has a <a href="https://animalcharityevaluators.org/donate/">Recommended Charity Fund</a> which <a href="https://animalcharityevaluators.org/donate/donor-resources/recommended-charity-fund/past-distributions/">disburses its funds across them</a>, so if one has less room remaining for funding, the Recommended Charity Fund will give it less money.<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-2" href="#footnote-2" target="_self">2</a></p><p>How much ought one donate? ACE does back-of-the-envelope calculations that you should not use as meaningful numbers and not trust and not make any decisions based on, in terms of a unit called <a href="https://www.charityentrepreneurship.com/post/sads-suffering-adjusted-days-an-improved-animal-welfare-measurement-tool">suffering-adjusted-days</a>.<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-3" href="#footnote-3" target="_self">3</a> One suffering-adjusted-day is the harm caused by one day of disabling pain, adjusted for how sentient and how likely to be sentient the animal is, and for how much pain there actually is. The numbers are fake; even though they differ between charities, I still think that the charities are kind of interchangeable.<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-4" href="#footnote-4" target="_self">4</a></p><ul><li><p>Animal Welfare Observatory: 26-30 SADs/$.</p></li><li><p>Aquatic Life Institute: 418 SADs/$.</p></li><li><p>&#199;iftlik Hayvanlar&#305;n&#305; Koruma Derne&#287;i: 54 SADs/$. </p></li><li><p>Dansk Vegetarisk Forening: 18 SADs/$.</p></li><li><p>Shrimp Welfare Project: 48 - 729 SADs/$.</p></li><li><p>Sinergia Animal: 3 - 1,670 SADs/$.</p></li><li><p>Sociedade Vegetariana Brasileira: 10 SADs/$.</p></li><li><p>The Humane League: 30 - 88 SADs/$.</p></li></ul><p>ACE&#8217;s lower bound for &#8220;medium-high cost-effectiveness&#8221; is 30 SADs/$, which is about the median of these. </p><p>Animal Charity Evaluators guesses, for the purpose of getting these fake numbers for the effectiveness of organisations that make people vegan, that <a href="https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1aih91kFSwOc09TJl34gJxmJY6WHOZfwHtwML2OfS9Rg/edit?gid=1652603703#gid=1652603703">one year of a vegan diet averts 2820 SADs (26.9 SADs/animal &#215; 104.82 animals/year)</a>.<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-5" href="#footnote-5" target="_self">5</a> And so the answer to the amount of offsets one should pay to avert as many SADs as veganism, at a price of 30 SADs/$, is <strong>$94/year to your favourite Animal Charity Evaluators recommended charity</strong>, although offsets are silly and you should instead just donate to the most effective charity as a matter of doing the most good regardless.</p><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-1" href="#footnote-anchor-1" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">1</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>I have ~deontology about not sorting foods into good and bad, on the grounds that when people sort foods into good and bad they tend to start making a massive host of correlated errors about nutrition. I resolve this by not seeing meat as food, and will for example pick bits of meat out of things that accidentally have meat in them.</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-2" href="#footnote-anchor-2" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">2</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>I say &#8220;your favourite&#8221; like that matters more than rolling a d10 because ACE can not actually completely fill the funding gaps of all its recommended charities. So they&#8217;re not perfectly interchangable, just roughly so.</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-3" href="#footnote-anchor-3" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">3</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>Why release fake numbers? My guess is because <a href="https://www.lesswrong.com/w/do-the-math-then-burn-the-math-and-go-with-your-gut">they&#8217;re doing the math and then burning the math and then going with their gut</a>. Doing the math forces their reasoning to be lawful and take everything into account; going with their gut means that they can use the full faculties of their reasoning, instead of just the parts that are amenable to explaining out loud.  </p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-4" href="#footnote-anchor-4" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">4</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>Another reason for their interchangeability is they&#8217;re working in different cause areas. Averting suffering to shrimps and chickens are both SADS by ACE&#8217;s lights, but if you think you know more that ACE about shrimp sentience, then you might only care about chicken SADS. ACE recommends both because it knows reasonable people disagree. A chicken not being farmed and a chicken being farmed but being treated more nicely are both SADS by ACE&#8217;s lights, but you might think one of these counts more than the other. </p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-5" href="#footnote-anchor-5" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">5</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>Breakdown as follows:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ZWvK!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fcfb28ce6-873b-4785-863d-f256448429d7_757x426.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ZWvK!, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/w_424, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/c_limit, 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"notkilleveryoneism"]]></description><link>https://tetraspace.substack.com/p/alignment-to-evil</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://tetraspace.substack.com/p/alignment-to-evil</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[💎 Tetraspace]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2026 20:57:11 GMT</pubDate><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One seemingly-necessary condition for a research organization that creates artificial superintelligence (ASI) to eventually lead to a utopia<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-1" href="#footnote-1" target="_self">1</a> is that the organization has a <a href="https://www.alignmentforum.org/posts/keiYkaeoLHoKK4LYA/six-dimensions-of-operational-adequacy-in-agi-projects#Common_good_commitment">commitment to the common good</a>. ASI can rearrange the world to hit any narrow target, and if the organization is able to solve the rest of alignment, then they will be able to pick which target the ASI will hit. If the organization is not committed to the common good, then they will pick a target that doesn&#8217;t reflect the good of everyone - just the things that they personally think are good ideas. Everyone else will fall by the wayside, and the world that they create along with ASI will fall short of utopia. It may well even be dystopian<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-2" href="#footnote-2" target="_self">2</a>; I was recently startled to learn that <a href="https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/sFewetPnb8KJgcER7/long-term-risks-from-ideological-fanaticism-1">a full </a><em><a href="https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/sFewetPnb8KJgcER7/long-term-risks-from-ideological-fanaticism-1">tenth</a></em><a href="https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/sFewetPnb8KJgcER7/long-term-risks-from-ideological-fanaticism-1"> of people claim they want to create a hell with eternal suffering</a>.</p><p>I think a likely way for organizations to fail to have common good commitments is if they end up being ultimately accountable to an authoritarian. Some countries are being run by very powerful authoritarians. If an ASI research organization comes to the attention of such an authoritarian, and they understand the implications, then this authoritarian will seek out control of the future activities of the organization, and they will have the army and police forces to attain this control, and, if they do solve the rest of alignment, the authoritarian will choose the ASI&#8217;s narrow target to be empowering <em>them</em>. Already, if DeepSeek and the Chinese government have a major disagreement, then the Chinese government will obviously win; in the West, there is <a href="https://www.cnbc.com/2026/02/16/pentagon-threatens-anthropic-ai-safeguards-dispute.html">a brewing spat between Anthropic and the US military</a> regarding whether Anthropic is allowed to forbid the US military from using their AI for mass surveillance of Americans, with OpenAI, xAI and Google seemingly having acquiesced.</p><div class="subscription-widget-wrap-editor" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://tetraspace.substack.com/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe&quot;,&quot;language&quot;:&quot;en&quot;}" data-component-name="SubscribeWidgetToDOM"><div class="subscription-widget show-subscribe"><div class="preamble"><p class="cta-caption">Tetrablog is a reader-supported publication. To receive new posts and support my work, consider becoming a free or paid subscriber.</p></div><form class="subscription-widget-subscribe"><input type="email" class="email-input" name="email" placeholder="Type your email&#8230;" tabindex="-1"><input type="submit" class="button primary" value="Subscribe"><div class="fake-input-wrapper"><div class="fake-input"></div><div class="fake-button"></div></div></form></div></div><p>Therefore, <em>even if</em> <a href="https://intelligence.org/the-problem/#5_policy">progress towards ASI is shut down</a>, there doesn&#8217;t seem to be a very good off-ramp to turn this advantage into utopia. The time bought <em>could</em> be used to set up an ASI Project that is capable of solving alignment, but this Project could be captured by authoritarians, and so fail to be committed to the common good, leading to not just extinction but dystopia. Any shutdown would likely be set up by governments, and so the terms of any graceful off-ramp would be up to governments, and this does not leave me cheerful about how much of a finger authoritarianism will have in the pie.</p><p>Cutting against dystopia fears is that authoritarians are stupid. Alignment is a very precise technical problem - if your subordinates come to you with gloomy news about alignment, and then you fire them for giving you bad news, then you don&#8217;t solve alignment, you just die. There&#8217;s a level of pride-swallowing and humility in the face of the problem that seems harder for authoritarians to stomach than people who just want what&#8217;s best, whatever form that may take. So rather than extinction or dystopia, it&#8217;s extinction or extinction. </p><p>Well, maybe. It&#8217;s <em>possible </em>for authoritarians to solve alignment; there is code that, when executed, will output the string of actions that gives the authoritarian all the power. They can get this code written by hiring for loyalty <em>and</em> competence. Stalin hired <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trofim_Lysenko">Lysenko</a> and fired geneticists, and so failed to increase agricultural production; but Stalin also hired nuclear physicists, and the Soviet Union successfully acquired atomic bombs.</p><p>One perverse way that this might happen is if there is some group that is dedicated to humans surviving, and works hard to make this happen. They notice that, if they&#8217;re disloyal, then the authoritarian will hire some incompetent person, but if they&#8217;re loyal, then they&#8217;ll be hired. And so they hand the world over to the authoritarian, carefully maneuvering around anything that might end up with the world being destroyed. I think this is a dangerous dynamic that has emerged in lesser form, people propping up damaging systems that hurt the people propping them up to avoid the disaster of failure.<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-3" href="#footnote-3" target="_self">3</a> And there&#8217;s no non-galaxy brained way out of this. Either you cooperate with the authoritarian because the stakes are Too High, or you let the world be destroyed by the authoritarian <a href="/__u/tetraspace.substack.com/p/normal-decision-theory">because decision theory</a>.</p><p>I&#8217;m not quite sure how <a href="https://intelligence.org/">MIRI</a>, my favourite organisation along the axis of being right about things, squares this circle. They advocate for a Shutdown, but I don&#8217;t see a very good story for how they get an off-ramp from this shutdown that leads to anything good. From what I can tell, their publicly stated stance is that, at this stage, adding a &#8220;no authoritarians&#8221; rider is preemptively <a href="https://ifanyonebuildsit.com/13/keep-the-coalition-large">shrinking the coalition</a>. The goal is for not everyone to die. It is extremely tempting, and every cause area that doesn&#8217;t try not to do this ends up doing this, to add in &#8220;everyone doesn&#8217;t die and no authoritarians&#8220;, or &#8220;everyone doesn&#8217;t die and sustainability&#8220;, or &#8220;everyone doesn&#8217;t die and less immigration&#8221;, or &#8220;everyone doesn&#8217;t die and LGBT rights&#8220;, which attach their riders to the very important cause to promote themselves at the cost of the cause, but they&#8217;re <em>not necessary</em>.</p><p>On shrinking the coalition: it seems that for humans to survive starting from the world in 2026, the Chinese Communist Party actually <em>does</em> need to be on board, so that they can shut down ASI research in China and also avoid freaking out if someone needs to shut down ASI research in another unwilling country. A &#8220;no authoritarians&#8221; rider at this stage would genuinely alienate them in a way that dooms the world. If, later, when everyone hasn&#8217;t died, it turns out no authoritarians is a good idea, then this can be negotiated for separately, rather than as a package deal with survival.<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-4" href="#footnote-4" target="_self">4</a></p><p>On preemptive: right now, there is no Shutdown, and therefore of course there&#8217;s no off-ramp for the nonexistent shutdown. This all hypothetical. It&#8217;s a nice thought that deciding on the shape of the future now is something we&#8217;re in a position to do, and we can choose now to add &#8220;no authoritarians&#8221; as a feature. But the world we live in is one that is going to be destroyed by superintelligent ASI. Talking too much about the specifics of the off-ramp makes it feel a lot like there&#8217;s a big prize to be won from ASI, one you can get by driving off the off-ramp early and <a href="/__u/tetraspace.substack.com/p/idealism-is-not-needed-for-globally?r=884wp">shrewdly defecting</a>, but continued ASI research on the current path doesn&#8217;t give you a prize, it just kills you. </p><p>Might I choose now, <em>anyway</em>, that I would rather the world end than risk an authoritarian hijacking the off-ramp from shutdown and setting up a dystopia? Despite the warnings to keep the coalition small, continue to insist on no authoritarians, making sure to not to think of it as a feature of the future I get to pick as the controller of the future, but as a condition on survival?</p><p>That sounds awfully galaxy-brained, and it sounds a lot like deciding the fates of a lot of people.<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-5" href="#footnote-5" target="_self">5</a></p><p>Maybe that&#8217;s the key, accept that the decision isn&#8217;t now. There isn&#8217;t actually a silver bullet for the final victory of Good over Evil, there isn&#8217;t an ASI ready to go controlled by the parties of Good, if Good and Evil don&#8217;t agree on shutting down ASI research then they both die. But Good and Evil have been in their conflict, and going into the future they will continue to be in their conflict, Good getting its victories here and there, Evil getting its victories here and there. And Good wants to win, it&#8217;s always wanted to win, so it&#8217;ll keep trying. There&#8217;s no need for me, here, to helpfully advise Good that really it ought to try to win. Instead I ought to just get my hands dirty and help it win, same as it always has been.</p><p>So, by the time the world is in a position to use its off-ramp from a global shutdown of ASI research, Good will have done everything that it could have done to win, and will be in the best position that it thinks that it could be in, given the resources and information that it had. And then the forces of Good, as they are in the future, can decide how best to manage the possibility that we drive off this ramp with an ASI aligned to Evil. Who&#8217;s to say there&#8217;ll still be authoritarians, all the way in the future?</p><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-1" href="#footnote-anchor-1" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">1</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>I&#8217;ll give a concrete definition of utopia here taken from <a href="https://www.alignmentforum.org/posts/HoQ5Rp7Gs6rebusNP/superintelligent-ai-is-necessary-for-an-amazing-future-but-1">superintelligent AI is necessary for an amazing future, but far from sufficient</a>: something <em>at least as good as</em> glorious merely-human civilizations, where people's lives have more guardrails and more satisfying narrative arcs that lead to them more fully becoming themselves and realizing their potential (in some way that isn't railroaded), with a far lower rate of bad things happening for no reason.</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-2" href="#footnote-anchor-2" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">2</a><div class="footnote-content"><p><a href="https://www.alignmentforum.org/posts/HoQ5Rp7Gs6rebusNP/superintelligent-ai-is-necessary-for-an-amazing-future-but-1">Dystopia</a>: something worse than an empty universe.</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-3" href="#footnote-anchor-3" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">3</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>One example that stuck with me: Trump tore up documents. But White House staff, who cared deeply about document preservation, <a href="https://www.politico.com/story/2018/06/10/trump-papers-filing-system-635164">went to great lengths to tape them together</a>. And so Trump continued tearing up documents, protecting him from facing any legal consequences from destroying official records, because the Trump administration as a whole was keeping the records intact and was therefore legally compliant.</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-4" href="#footnote-anchor-4" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">4</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>The Chinese Communist Party is going to be pretty miffed that they die if they don&#8217;t hold back from adding a &#8220;and Xi Jinping Thought&#8221; rider to survival, if it helps.</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-5" href="#footnote-anchor-5" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">5</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>Not that I have such power. A common feature of stupid edgy thought experiments - like this one, to some extent - is they pretend you have a great power over the fates of unwilling people, and then tell you not to think about anything else you could use with that power.</p><p>Like, if an ASI shutdown was <em>personally</em> up to me, then that implies a world where I&#8217;m a supergenius, or a billionaire, and doubtlessly a playboy philanthropist. I&#8217;d either have the ears of major world governments, or be able to obtain them. And supergenius billionaire government-influencing Tetra has much better options with regards to fixing the world!</p><p>Small Tetra lacks such angles, but small Tetra could, for example, recommend that people donate to charities other than MIRI to increase the probability of early extinction, and withhold any future efforts to do things that help with alignment or pausing AI. Small Tetra cares about the margins of adding tiny amounts of extra effort on top of the existing world, because that&#8217;s all she can do.</p></div></div>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Idealism is not Needed for Globally Banning Artifical Superintelligence ]]></title><description><![CDATA[Often I see an argument that there can&#8217;t possibly be a treaty to ban artificial superintelligence (ASI) that&#8217;s something of the form:]]></description><link>https://tetraspace.substack.com/p/idealism-is-not-needed-for-globally</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://tetraspace.substack.com/p/idealism-is-not-needed-for-globally</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[💎 Tetraspace]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2026 15:45:21 GMT</pubDate><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Often I see an argument that there can&#8217;t possibly be a <a href="https://techgov.intelligence.org/blog/new-report-an-international-agreement-to-prevent-the-premature-creation-of-artificial-superintelligence">treaty to ban artificial superintelligence (ASI)</a> that&#8217;s something of the form:</p><blockquote><p>While it would be globally better for ASI to be banned, any individual party to the treaty would benefit greatly from developing ASI in secret. So nobody would actually sign this treaty, nor would such a treaty be stable if implemented.</p></blockquote><p>This is not so! <a href="https://intelligence.org/2022/06/10/agi-ruin/">ASI kills you</a>.<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-1" href="#footnote-1" target="_self">1</a> If you develop ASI in secret in contravention of a global treaty, ASI kills you. If the US and China sign an agreement to not make ASI, but then the crafty US makes ASI in secret where China can&#8217;t see it, while the idealistic China hobbles themselves by staying honorable, then everyone in the US gets killed by ASI.</p><p>&#8220;Global coordination to not build ASI would be good&#8221; primes one to think that this global coordination is an idealistic &#8216;if-everyone-would-just&#8217; endstate that, on Earth, where there are still wars and still nuclear weapons, couldn&#8217;t end up happening. But, in fact, it&#8217;s good for someone who is party to the treaty to avoid building ASI so as to save <em>their own</em> skin, without even taking into account any effects of violating the treaty, nor their effects on the behaviour of other parties to the treaty, nor some kind of idealistic self-sacrificing altruism.</p><p>This is not all that common! Usually, anything that is happening in individual countries, for which the world would be improved if it was happening in no countries, is something that is good for those countries and bad for the world, such that countries would like to bind each other but wouldn&#8217;t want to be bound themselves.</p><p>Armies are expensive and a world that&#8217;s the same with no armies would be better, but if you are the only country with an army, you can invade all the other countries. Nuclear weapons are extremely dangerous - they&#8217;re one of a few things that could possibly <a href="https://80000hours.org/problem-profiles/nuclear-security/">take down civilisation</a> - but if you are the only country with nuclear weapons, you can threaten all the other countries into doing what you want using your nuclear weapons. CFCs damage the ozone layer and a world with no CFCs would be better, but if you&#8217;re operating out of the only country that uses CFCs, your refrigerators are cheaper and more efficient and the ozone layer is fine.</p><p>And, so, while maybe all the countries of the world would want there to not be any nuclear weapons, no country with nuclear weapons would want to give theirs up. And if we did have such a treaty, then countries would develop nuclear weapons in secret, to their own advantage (like <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_proliferation">India, Pakistan, Israel and North Korea</a>). It&#8217;s natural for one to think that proposals to ban ASI globally are something similarly idealistic, a solution to a commons problem. Yet, it is not, <a href="https://intelligence.org/2022/06/10/agi-ruin/">it just kills you</a>.</p><p>Why, then, is anyone developing ASI, if it just kills them, and probably they don&#8217;t want to die? Mostly, I think they&#8217;re mistaken about whether it kills them. For whatever reason, they don&#8217;t think that it&#8217;s going to kill them, and something that doesn&#8217;t kill you isn&#8217;t so much an urgent priority to stop. The argument that it&#8217;s a bad idea to secretly make ASI in private rests on the fact that it kills you; if it didn&#8217;t kill you, it wouldn&#8217;t necessarily be a bad idea. </p><p>To some extent, it&#8217;s that a lot of the precursors to ASI are probably genuinely beneficial; GPT-5 is probably good and does make you a lot of money, and it&#8217;s the kind of thing one might create as an intermediate step on the way to ASI, such that a global ban on ASI would, as a side effect, make it harder to make things like GPT-5. In principle, all one needs to do to save the world is to not run the code for the ASI that kills everyone; but, in practice, cutting it that fine ends up with someone somewhere running ASI code that kills everyone, so a treaty that works to save the world needs to preclude doing things that lead to ASI short of that.</p><p>Then there&#8217;s the interaction: it is famously hard to get someone to believe something that their salary depends on them not believing.<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-2" href="#footnote-2" target="_self">2</a> If GPT-5 is making you a lot of money, and believing that ASI would kill everyone would cause you to want to stop making GPT-5, then you might fail to believe that ASI would kill everyone, so that you want to keep making GPT-5, and therefore make money from GPT-5<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-3" href="#footnote-3" target="_self">3</a>. (Doing this, however, also causes you to die from ASI. You don&#8217;t get to live and keep your money just by being mistaken about whether ASI will kill you. Rather, you make GPT-5, you get money from GPT-5, then you or someone else makes ASI by building on your research, and then you are killed by ASI).</p><p>Why, then, would we want a treaty at all, if it&#8217;s already to everyone&#8217;s benefit to avoid building ASI? Some of it is to get people onto the same page about how ASI is a threat and how it shouldn&#8217;t be built, rather than never having considered it (countries have limited attention and don&#8217;t always immediately pay attention to the most important things).</p><p>Some is to agree upon some of the valuable measures that are short of avoiding building ASI itself. Nations might still be unwilling to unilaterally avoid building the precursors to ASI, and give up having GPT-5, even in cases where two nations might agree to both give up having GPT-5<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-4" href="#footnote-4" target="_self">4</a>. Depending on what specifically it takes for a treaty to work, there might need to be some idealism for these aspects but not the broader treaty. </p><p>Some is to ensure that there&#8217;s a legal pathway for preventing people who mistakenly think that building ASI will be to their benefit from building it anyway.</p><p>Some is that being killed by your own hand six months earlier isn&#8217;t <em>extremely</em> bad compared to being killed by someone in another country six months later (though still very bad!), so the advantage of <em>personally</em> not building ASI is higher if you know for a fact nobody in any other country will do it either.</p><p>Nonetheless, a <em>correctly</em> <em>informed</em> party to a treaty banning ASI <em>would</em> follow the treaty and save the world, and they wouldn&#8217;t even have to <em>want</em> to save the world, they&#8217;d just have to want to save their own skin. Many beautiful things we would like to globally coordinate on require idealism. This is not one of them.</p><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-1" href="#footnote-anchor-1" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">1</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>There are short arguments for this, and then lengthier arguments that address the different counterarguments that each reader has. <a href="https://intelligence.org/2022/06/10/agi-ruin/">List of Lethalities</a> is a decent existing list of the arguments.  </p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-2" href="#footnote-anchor-2" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">2</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>This operates inside people - see OpenAI trying to <a href="https://openai.com/index/evolving-our-structure/">reform itself out of being a nonprofit</a> - but also between people. If there are ten founders, and nine of them think ASI kills them, and one of them doesn&#8217;t, then we will still see one ASI company with one founder getting paid for making non-ASI precursors to ASI.</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-3" href="#footnote-anchor-3" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">3</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>Not consciously, but subconsciously someone can be influenced by their environment, especially regarding the kind of things that they get money and praise for.</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-4" href="#footnote-anchor-4" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">4</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>This is a toy example; I don&#8217;t mean to say anything about whether banning GPT-5 specifically would be a good treaty provision.</p><p></p></div></div>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Bloodless Battle of Wits Theory of AI Races]]></title><description><![CDATA[the smartest wins fair and square, right?]]></description><link>https://tetraspace.substack.com/p/bloodless-battle-of-wits-theory-of</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://tetraspace.substack.com/p/bloodless-battle-of-wits-theory-of</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[💎 Tetraspace]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2025 02:01:01 GMT</pubDate><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One assumption/worldview/framing that sometimes comes up with is that:</p><ul><li><p>Technological development is a conflict - it is better to have more technology than your adversary, and by having more technology than your adversary you can constrain the actions of your adversary.</p></li><li><p>However, technology and military action are in separate realms. Making technology at home will not cause military action to occur; and taking military action is cheating at the technological game.</p></li><li><p>By winning in technology, you can win against your adversary without involving military action.</p></li></ul><p>I call this frame that of the bloodless battle of wits.</p><div class="subscription-widget-wrap-editor" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://tetraspace.substack.com/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe&quot;,&quot;language&quot;:&quot;en&quot;}" data-component-name="SubscribeWidgetToDOM"><div class="subscription-widget show-subscribe"><div class="preamble"><p class="cta-caption">Tetrablog is a reader-supported publication. To receive new posts and support my writing, consider becoming a free or paid subscriber.</p></div><form class="subscription-widget-subscribe"><input type="email" class="email-input" name="email" placeholder="Type your email&#8230;" tabindex="-1"><input type="submit" class="button primary" value="Subscribe"><div class="fake-input-wrapper"><div class="fake-input"></div><div class="fake-button"></div></div></form></div></div><p>A classic bloodless battle of wits is the science fiction story about building an AGI in a basement, that one might encounter in the <a href="https://localroger.com/prime-intellect/">Metamorphosis of Prime Intellect</a>, or in the minds of excited teenagers who grew up reading about half of SIAI&#8217;s output (ahem):</p><blockquote><p>The genius team of programmers build a seed AGI in a basement without alerting the military intelligence of any states, maintaining a low budget and a lack of societal appreciation up until the end. This AGI rapidly becomes more intelligent, also without being noticed. It develops a decisive strategic advantage, overthrows every world government, and instates utopia.</p></blockquote><p>This beautiful scenario requires, at no point, for anyone to point a rifle at anyone else, or even to levy fines on anyone . The biggest deontology violation is that the nanomesh touches other people&#8217;s bullets without permission when damping them to a maximum speed of 10 m/s during the subsequent riots. The winner is the most intelligent group, the genius programmers and the AGI, not the group able to levy the most force (any of the world governments who might disapprove).</p><p>Another bloodless battle of wits scenario, that is becoming more fashionable now that we know that the largest AGI companies are billion-dollar organisations and that the US government (a trillion-dollar organisation) knows that they exist, is:</p><blockquote><p>The genius team of programmers, backed by US national security, does AI research; meanwhile, another genius team of programmers, backed by Chinese national security, is also trying to do AI research. The US AGI is built first, develops a decisive strategic advantage, overthrows the Chinese government, and instates democracy and apple pie; just as well, because otherwise the Chinese AGI would have been built first, overthrow the US government, and instate communism and &#35910;&#33104;.</p></blockquote><p>There can sometimes be espionage, but certainly there wouldn&#8217;t be an attempt to assassinate someone working on the scheme to overthrow the rival nuclear power. It&#8217;s a bloodless battle of wits; may the smartest win, not the most effective at violence.</p><p>There are also no deontology violations going on here; of course, the American AGI, in the process of overthrowing the Chinese government and replacing it with freedom and apple pie, would never violate the property rights of the Chinese communist party.</p><p>In the bloodless battle of wits, any kind of military action is a huge and deontology-violating escalation. The American software team is trying to overthrow the Chinese government, yes, but the Chinese government treating them as an adversary trying to overthrow them and arresting them would be too <em>far</em>.</p><p><em><a href="https://www.tumblr.com/tetraspace-west/780477707757699072/the-bloodless-battle-of-wits-theory-of-ai-races?source=share">x-posted from Tumblr</a></em></p>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Normal Decision Theory ]]></title><description><![CDATA[do the good thing, not the decision theory thing]]></description><link>https://tetraspace.substack.com/p/normal-decision-theory</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://tetraspace.substack.com/p/normal-decision-theory</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[💎 Tetraspace]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2025 01:15:51 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!QrbM!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe9bd46c9-5b16-4fec-8cef-db30bca9b4e7_1006x643.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Decision theory is the field of study about how to define, precisely and mathematically, what &#8220;the best decision&#8221; means, when one is uncertain about the world. In modern decision theory, it&#8217;s thought that definition of &#8220;the best decision&#8221; is something of the form:</p><blockquote><p>Take the action which has the best expected outcome, if you take that action.<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-1" href="#footnote-1" target="_self">1</a></p></blockquote><p>&#8220;Best expected outcome&#8221; is fairly well-trod ground; the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Von_Neumann%E2%80%93Morgenstern_utility_theorem">von Neumann-Morgenstein utility theorem</a> says that it&#8217;s anything that equals what would get the highest number if each outcome had a real-valued utility that was multiplied by the probability of that outcome occurring.</p><p>The main point of research in modern decision theory is, then, defining, precisely and mathematically, what &#8220;what will happen when X action is taken&#8221; means.</p><p> A &#8220;decision theory&#8221;, singular, is an attempt at a precise and mathematical definition of this. There are different &#8220;decision theories&#8221;, with different definitions of &#8220;what will happen when X action is taken&#8221;.</p><div class="subscription-widget-wrap-editor" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://tetraspace.substack.com/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe&quot;,&quot;language&quot;:&quot;en&quot;}" data-component-name="SubscribeWidgetToDOM"><div class="subscription-widget show-subscribe"><div class="preamble"><p class="cta-caption">Tetrablog is a reader-supported publication. To receive new posts and support my writing, consider becoming a free or paid subscriber.</p></div><form class="subscription-widget-subscribe"><input type="email" class="email-input" name="email" placeholder="Type your email&#8230;" tabindex="-1"><input type="submit" class="button primary" value="Subscribe"><div class="fake-input-wrapper"><div class="fake-input"></div><div class="fake-button"></div></div></form></div></div><h1>Why Do People Care?</h1><p>Eliezer Yudkowsky, along with other people, figured out that <a href="https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/HoQ5Rp7Gs6rebusNP/superintelligent-ai-is-necessary-for-an-amazing-future-but-1">superintelligent AI is necessary for an amazing future, but far from sufficient</a>. In the early days of AI, we didn&#8217;t know that it seemed like you could build smarter-than-human AI without understanding cognition well. As such, Eliezer Yudkowsky studied cognition, with an eye to understanding it well enough to build smarter-than-human AI and then very quickly with the new goal of understanding it well enough to <a href="https://www.lesswrong.com/s/SXurf2mWFw8LX2mkG">build smarter-than-human AI that doesn&#8217;t kill everyone</a><a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-2" href="#footnote-2" target="_self">2</a>, and incidentally learned quite a few things about practical cognition for humans, which he compiled into <a href="https://www.lesswrong.com/rationality">the Sequences</a> under the name rationality.</p><p>One subproblem in understanding cognition is understanding decision theory; that we don&#8217;t have a mathematical description of the optimal decision theory means that there&#8217;s something that we don&#8217;t understand about cognition, that could bite us, if we try to make a smarter-than-human AI that doesn&#8217;t kill everyone. So this is one of the topics that Eliezer Yudkowsky studied, and that his fandom (the rationality community) looked into. The <a href="https://intelligence.org/">Machine Intelligence Research Institute</a> he founded <a href="https://intelligence.org/files/TDT.pdf">published cutting-edge work</a> <a href="https://arxiv.org/abs/1710.05060">on decision theory</a>.</p><p>As a prescription for the right way to think, some found it a very compelling concept! If only you could learn the correct decision theory, then you could make all the correct decisions; and, in fact, if you make any decision that&#8217;s not the one that the correct decision theory says is best, then you&#8217;re making a suboptimal decision. And so they set out to learn decision theory (or hear enough random results of the field as they bumble around their lives). </p><h2>Abnormal Decision Theory: The Pedagogy of Decision Theory</h2><p>Texts that introduce decision theory as a field of inquiry have to justify why it&#8217;s a field of inquiry. Why is decision theory an unsolved field, and not like expected utility theory which was derived way back in 1945, or something even simpler, where the first equation everyone writes down is also the correct exact mathematical accounting of decisionmaking?</p><p>To make the reader truly <em>feel</em> this - and also to present a semi-fictionalised and cleaned-up timeline of the history of decision theory research - one way is to set up a plausible-seeming equation, and knock it down with a counterexample, and set up another one that seems plausible, and knock it down, and do that again and again until the reader understands that decision theory is hard, and has an idea of what some of the open problems are.</p><p>An introduction to decision theory, in the typical style, written by me just now:</p><blockquote><p>Omega, which is very good at predicting what you will do in this scenario, approaches you with two boxes. You can take either only Box B, or Boxes A and B. Box A has $1000, and Box B has $1,000,000 iff it predicts you will <em>only</em> take Box B, and $0 otherwise.</p><p>Do you take Boxes A and B, or just Box B?</p><p>If your decision theory is &#8220;what happens if I take action X is the things that are caused by action X being taken&#8221;, then you reason: </p><ul><li><p>Box B either has $1,000,000, or $0.</p></li><li><p>Box B already has this money in it; my decision can&#8217;t cause the amount of money to change.</p></li><li><p>If it has $1,000,000, then taking Box B gets me $1,000,000, and taking Box A+B gets me $1,100,000. If it has $0, then taking Box B gets me $0, and taking Box A+B gets me $1000</p></li><li><p>So it&#8217;s always better to get Box A+B</p></li></ul><p>And so, you choose Box A+B. Omega, which is very good at predicting you, predicted this. So Box B has $0, so you get $1000.</p><p>Surprise! You only got $1000! If only you only took Box B, Omega would have predicted you&#8217;d only take Box B, and you would have got $1,000,000, so you got much less money than you could have. But didn&#8217;t &#8220;what happens if I take action X is the things that are caused by action X being taken&#8221; feel like such a natural approach that you wouldn&#8217;t have expected to be so flawed? Here&#8217;s a decision theory that would have got you $1,000,000:</p><p>(&#8230;and so on, for the holes in that decision theory&#8230;)<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-3" href="#footnote-3" target="_self">3</a></p></blockquote><p>This has the unfortunate side effect of making &#8220;the optimal decision theory&#8221; seem like it should be a complicated and unintuitive thing, with complicated and unintuitive results. Look at how it applies to all of these weird edge cases! Clearly, to have good decision theory is to approach the world as if it&#8217;s made of edge cases. And living in a world made of edge cases, you need to study decision theory explicitly to navigate things; your intuitions won&#8217;t do. This is a push towards people who try to reason in terms of decision theory doing crazy and unusual things; but, in fact, decision theory is very normal and natural. </p><h1>Normal Decision Theory</h1><p>Humans, and the cultures that they live in, already come baked in with a <a href="https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/XPErvb8m9FapXCjhA/adaptation-executers-not-fitness-maximizers">lot of adaptations</a> that, together, let them act in ways that are kind of like the optimal decision theory, whatever it is. This isn&#8217;t to say that humans know decision theory;just that there are a set of motivations inside humans that, in the ancestral environment, end up with the humans acting kind of like the optimal decision theory; and a set of cultural adaptations that have developed since.</p><p>It&#8217;s only natural - decision theory is the scientific endeavour to define the best decision, and so anything that has to make good decisions to live, like humans throughout history, will come to do approximately the things that decision theory researchers discover are the best.</p><ul><li><p>Humans have a sense of honor and of keeping their word.</p></li><li><p>Humans have a sense of being nice to other humans. In the prisoner&#8217;s dilemma - even the true prisoner&#8217;s dilemma - cooperate-cooperate is better than defect-defect, and so humans have an inherent drive to cooperate. </p></li><li><p>Humans have a sense of vengeance. </p></li><li><p>Humans have a sense of contributing to a collective task, and distributing the rewards from that collective task between themselves.</p></li><li><p>Humans have a sense of sometimes telling the truth, even when they can get local advantage. </p></li><li><p>Humans have a sense of sometimes following the law, even when they&#8217;re not being watched.</p></li><li><p>Humans will sometimes choose to eat meat or to keep slaves, in cases where they think those animals or those human beings won&#8217;t be able to fight back.<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-4" href="#footnote-4" target="_self">4</a></p></li></ul><p>These can all be described in terms of decision theory, but, importantly, they have also been done for thousands of years by people who had never studied decision theory. The optimal decision theory is normal and natural, it has always been with us since the dawn of intelligence, and you already live the parts of it that are sufficiently useful to endurance hunters in the African savanna in 250,000 BC.</p><h1>Do That Which Is Good, Not That Which Is Decision-Theoretically Optimal</h1><p>None of the functional adaptations above look like deriving an algorithm that resembles how the mathematical form of our best attempts at the optimal decision theory is written in textbooks, and then executing that algorithm in your head. Yet they have been optimized to hew closer to the truth than that equation has been - evolution only cares about the true decision theory, not any academic&#8217;s guess about what the true decision theory is. We haven&#8217;t solved decision theory, yet, but we and evolution live in a world where the optimal decision theory is the optimal decision theory.</p><p>Because of this, I would expect most crazy decision theory actions to also have an explanation in the ontology of mundane psychology; and I would also be suspicious of any action that one thinks follows from the mathematics of decision theory (not <em>infinitely</em> suspicious - evolution is fallible - but suspicious) but that doesn&#8217;t cash out in ordinary psychology. I&#8217;m sure evolution has been imperfect in giving humans decision theory! I also think it&#8217;s been pretty good.</p><p>One refuses to surrender because <em>they have a decision-theoretic obligation to avoid acausally creating an incentive to attack them</em>, but they should also understand that they refuse to surrender because of ordinary human pride and obstinacy. One helps out someone who helped them <em>because they have a decision-theoretic obligation to create an incentive to help them</em>, but they should also understand that they help out people who helped them because of ordinary human kindness and reciprocity. If the ordinary human part is missing, that&#8217;s smell that their decision-theoretic<em> </em>reasoning has went wrong somewhere.</p><p>Crazy decision theory actions should also have a mundane explanation in terms of <em>just being a good idea</em>. There are no actions that are a bad idea, and that someone also has a decision-theoretic obligation to take. If someone&#8217;s notions of a &#8220;good idea&#8221; and a &#8220;decision-theoretically optimal&#8221; idea diverge, then they are wrong about something. They might be wrong about what&#8217;s good, and they might be wrong about decision theory - even if they think they understand the mathematical formulation of decision theory, they might be wrong about how to implement an approximation to that in their own heads, or what the implications are for their own situation. </p><p>One&#8217;s notion of good is informed by one&#8217;s notion of decision-theoretically optimal; so, while they may diverge, the notion of good has more information, including being tuned by all those decision-theoretic adaptations granted by evolution. So diagnose why they differ, but if they do, I&#8217;d lean towards the good action, not the &#8220;decision-theoretically optimal&#8221; action.</p><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-1" href="#footnote-anchor-1" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">1</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>This is in words, though the goal, as I have said, is to have something precise and mathematical. The best equation is:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!QrbM!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe9bd46c9-5b16-4fec-8cef-db30bca9b4e7_1006x643.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!QrbM!, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/w_424, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/c_limit, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/f_webp, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/q_auto:good, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe9bd46c9-5b16-4fec-8cef-db30bca9b4e7_1006x643.png 424w, /__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!QrbM!, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/w_848, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/c_limit, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/f_webp, 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href="https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/foundations-of-causal-decision-theory/068BC033D4D8245FCF607904CC4DB730">Joyce [1999]</a>)</p><p>I don&#8217;t just drop this equation in the quote box directly because the functional forms of and relationship between P and U already bake in a specific notion of what &#8220;the best expected outcome&#8221; means, and while that notion was solved by expected utility theory, I wanted to point that out a sentence later so as to put things in an order.  </p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-2" href="#footnote-anchor-2" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">2</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>Despite the similar English name, &#8220;building smarter-than-human AI that doesn&#8217;t kill everyone&#8221; is a very different task to &#8220;building smarter-than-human AI&#8221;! As a token of the difference, it still looks like you need to understand cognition mathematically precisely to do the former, though it no longer looks like you need to understand it well to do the latter.</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-3" href="#footnote-anchor-3" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">3</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>I&#8217;m not sure which decision theory explainer I actually used, for those who haven&#8217;t already been introduced to the field. <a href="https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/af9MjBqF2hgu3EN6r/decision-theories-a-less-wrong-primer">Decision Theories: A Less Wrong Primer</a> seems a popular albeit old post.</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-4" href="#footnote-anchor-4" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">4</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>Decision theory is not morality and does not give you morality. Many aspects of morality can be derived from decision theory, because a sense of morality is one of the adaptations that evolution used to cause humans to approximate the optimal decision theory in their ancestral environment. Those results from decision theory that we think are moral make up a kind of Natural Law, that applies to everyone and every interaction, regardless of whether they like the person they&#8217;re talking to. If people with blue hair don&#8217;t consider people with red hair as moral patients, <a href="/__u/tetraspace.substack.com/p/license-to-defect">they still lose if they diverge from the optimal decision theory</a>.</p></div></div>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Americans are not honorary British]]></title><description><![CDATA[they are however honorary Tetratopians]]></description><link>https://tetraspace.substack.com/p/americans-are-not-honorary-british</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://tetraspace.substack.com/p/americans-are-not-honorary-british</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[💎 Tetraspace]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2025 18:52:08 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!YoZG!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fcbe9cfe9-ca4d-4cf3-8839-84bb6f43574e_909x882.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>cw politics, borders</em></p><p>Under the typical right-wing view of immigration, activism by foreigners is <em>right out</em>. <em>Citizens</em> are the people who have been granted the privilege of civil participation; foreigners have no right to interfere in the politics of another state. All <a href="https://www.newsweek.com/trump-administration-warning-green-card-holders-social-media-2065716">foreigners present in the country are guests</a>, and guests can and should be kicked out if they&#8217;re rude to the host, or if the host feels like it. Besides, all foreigners are let in for a specific purpose that serves the state, and very few of these are let in with the specific purpose of &#8220;causing problems and telling real people what to do&#8221;.</p><p>Elon Musk does not hold this doctrine. Elon Musk is a citizen of the United States, born in South Africa, and yet holds opinions on affairs in the United Kingdom<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-1" href="#footnote-1" target="_self">1</a>. In December 2024 he was in talks to <a href="https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1kez8d2dygo">donate a large amount of money to Reform UK</a>; in January 2025 <a href="https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c70ep8lp4jjo">he threw his weight against Nigel Farage and in favour of Tommy Robinson</a>.<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-2" href="#footnote-2" target="_self">2</a></p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://tetraspace.substack.com/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe now&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="/__u/tetraspace.substack.com/subscribe"><span>Subscribe now</span></a></p><p>In Tommy Robinson&#8217;s protest in the UK, <a href="https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/elon-musk-tommy-robinson-london-protest-b2826032.html">Musk said to moderate Britons &#8220;if this continues, that violence is going to come to you, you will have no choice&#8221; and &#8220;whether you choose violence or not, violence is coming to you&#8221; and &#8220;you either fight back or you die&#8221;</a>. If we were sitting down with a nice cup of tea I&#8217;d pay no mind to the provocative phrasing (you&#8217;re allowed to predict bad things), but he certainly made some noticeable choices for the public that I suspect weren&#8217;t accidental. In general, he&#8217;s been trying hard to inflame ethnic tensions, especially between Asian and White Britons, in the hope of pushing his favoured policies.</p><div class="image-gallery-embed" data-attrs="{&quot;gallery&quot;:{&quot;images&quot;:[{&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/png&quot;,&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/cbe9cfe9-ca4d-4cf3-8839-84bb6f43574e_909x882.png&quot;},{&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/png&quot;,&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/c8eccc93-8a4f-4ae0-baf0-3b3c701a72d6_915x528.png&quot;},{&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/png&quot;,&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/fcc33ae9-896c-46c2-a8f5-43fde77d7bd5_907x462.png&quot;},{&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/png&quot;,&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/42e79dc7-868d-4c79-9fc6-6e55f99228b1_903x845.png&quot;}],&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;Better get nervous, better get tense! Better not let them catch you blinking! You don&#8217;t need a reason, fillies and gents: this is no time for overthinking!&quot;,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;staticGalleryImage&quot;:{&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/png&quot;,&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/9f705351-809c-4714-bccb-afe6b9b18d16_1456x1456.png&quot;}},&quot;isEditorNode&quot;:true}"></div><p>Were the United Kingdom proud nationalists, like Elon Musk wants, there would not be much tolerance for this foreign activist, bringing to the UK the sectarian violence of his home country. He would not be welcome, and it would be right if his companies were - one must imagine this spoken menacingly - <em>investigated</em>. The UK, to its credit, are not such proud nationalists. </p><p>The US State Department does not hold this doctrine. I assume that most employees of the US State Department are citizens of the United States, and yet they, too, express their opinions on affairs in the United Kingdom.</p><blockquote><p><a href="https://x.com/StateDept/status/1991869227758920010">Mass migration poses an existential threat to Western civilization and undermines the stability of key American allies. Today the State Department instructed U.S. embassies to report on the human rights implications and public safety impacts of mass migration.</a></p><p><a href="https://x.com/StateDept/status/1991869227758920010">U.S. officials will </a><strong><a href="https://x.com/StateDept/status/1991869227758920010">urge governments</a></strong><a href="https://x.com/StateDept/status/1991869227758920010"> to take bold action and defend citizens against the threats posed by mass migration.</a></p><p>[&#8230;]</p><p><a href="https://x.com/StateDept/status/1991869232276234454">In the United Kingdom, thousands of girls have been victimized in Rotherham, Oxford, and Newcastle by grooming gangs involving migrant men. Many girls were left to suffer unspeakable abuse for years before authorities stepped in.</a></p><p>[&#8230;]</p><p><a href="https://x.com/StateDept/status/1991869239209463961">The United States supports the sovereignty of our allies and </a><strong><a href="https://x.com/StateDept/status/1991869239209463961">calls on governments</a></strong><a href="https://x.com/StateDept/status/1991869239209463961"> to constructively engage with the growing numbers of citizens concerned about mass migration. The United States stands ready to assist our allies in solving the global crisis of mass migration.</a></p></blockquote><p>(Bolded: direct foreign activism, aimed at changing the behavior of the UK government.)</p><p>Standard right wing doctrine is clear: deport the lot. They weren&#8217;t given their visas to be <em>activists</em>, they were given their visas to be diplomats. Highly uncouth behaviour for a <em>guest</em>!  Stick to what you&#8217;re here for, <em>buddy</em>; a consulate is a privilege, not a right. Were the UK to truly be sovereign and to take bold action against mass migration, they wouldn&#8217;t stand for this. To the UK&#8217;s credit, it doesn&#8217;t destructively flex its sovereignty in every circumstance where it is <a href="/__u/tetraspace.substack.com/p/license-to-defect">theoretically licensed to</a>.  </p><p>My guess is, being of an English-speaking wealthy democracy that&#8217;s majority white<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-3" href="#footnote-3" target="_self">3</a>, they mistake themselves for being part of the team. Foreigners aren&#8217;t to be allowed civic participation, but Americans aren&#8217;t <em>foreign</em>-foreign, they&#8217;re just &#8230; fellow White people who happen to hold a different passport. Heck, they&#8217;re 1/32 English on their mother&#8217;s side! The <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mayflower">Mayflower</a> set off from London, and that&#8217;s got to count for something.</p><p>Alas, no. People in the United Kingdom are not allowed to travel to the US without permission from the US government (typically via the ESTA program); they are not allowed to do things in the US except tourism without a visa. People in the United States are not allowed to travel to the UK without permission from the UK government (typically via the ETA program); they are not allowed to do things in the UK except tourism without a visa. At any time, the UK can deny entry to an American, and the US can deny entry to a British person; or kick out their respective foreigners. A British person who loves their American spouse has to be with them through the same humiliations the UK has decided are fit for <em>any</em> foreigner. </p><p>Whatever cultural ties one imagines exist do not have legal force. &#8220;Western civilisation&#8221; is made up by academics; there is no international organization that represents &#8220;western civilisation&#8221;, and &#8220;fellow Westerner&#8221; is neither a visa classification nor something any border guard in so-called &#8220;western civilisation&#8221; is trained on. </p><p>When the UK government thinks about tightening its borders and keeping migrants out, of stemming the tide of mass migration and affirming its sovereignty, it&#8217;s thinking of <em>keeping Americans out</em>.<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-4" href="#footnote-4" target="_self">4</a></p><p>I, of course, don&#8217;t stick to standard right-wing doctrine on these matters. Americans, much like British people, are human beings. People who live in the United States have friends living in the United Kingdom, who are affected by UK policy; people who live in the United Kingdom have friends living in the United States, who are affected by US policy. People in the US, being people, have perspectives, and it&#8217;s good to hear people&#8217;s perspectives; <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expected_value_of_perfect_information">if you&#8217;re not being irrational, information is good</a>, and human irrationality can easily flip that but it&#8217;s the presumption that I&#8217;m working from. Further, any actual policy attempt to restrict the speech of foreigners is bad; any weapon used against foreigners <a href="https://www.cato.org/blog/us-citizens-dont-have-first-amendment-rights-noncitizens-dont">can and will be used against natives</a>. </p><p>Indeed, sometimes these perspectives are diverse, and that&#8217;s a valuable asset that nationalism can&#8217;t get you - someone who grew up inside the UK political system is more likely to see every part of it as normal, the way things inevitably must be, whereas someone who grew up outside it (as many Americans did) may understand it less but be more likely to see the cracks that are taken for granted. I&#8217;ve learned a lot from Americans with opinions.</p><blockquote><p><a href="https://x.com/TetraspaceWest/status/1979016325356748968?s=20">american friend: so what happens if the UK can&#8217;t pass a budget</a></p><p><a href="https://x.com/TetraspaceWest/status/1979016325356748968?s=20">[checks claude]</a></p><p><a href="https://x.com/TetraspaceWest/status/1979016325356748968?s=20">me: yeahh okay turns out the actual answer is not passing a budget would be impolite so they don&#8217;t do that</a></p></blockquote><p>The words that I&#8217;ve criticized before are from clueless foreigners, yes<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-5" href="#footnote-5" target="_self">5</a>; but the only <em>real</em> issue with them is that they happen to be wrong, not that they&#8217;re from the wrong person. </p><div class="subscription-widget-wrap-editor" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://tetraspace.substack.com/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe&quot;,&quot;language&quot;:&quot;en&quot;}" data-component-name="SubscribeWidgetToDOM"><div class="subscription-widget show-subscribe"><div class="preamble"><p class="cta-caption">Tetrablog is a reader-supported publication. To receive new posts and support my writing, consider becoming a free or paid subscriber.</p></div><form class="subscription-widget-subscribe"><input type="email" class="email-input" name="email" placeholder="Type your email&#8230;" tabindex="-1"><input type="submit" class="button primary" value="Subscribe"><div class="fake-input-wrapper"><div class="fake-input"></div><div class="fake-button"></div></div></form></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-1" href="#footnote-anchor-1" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">1</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>Admittedly, as a South African and a Canadian (presumably), he is a Commonwealth citizen, and would be permitted to vote in the UK immediately on becoming a resident. So he&#8217;d have an easier time getting the right to civil participation than a typical American.</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-2" href="#footnote-anchor-2" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">2</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>By the way, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tommy_Robinson#Use_of_false_passport">Tommy Robinson</a> illegally entered the United States in 2013, using a fake passport because his criminal record made it hard for him to legally enter. Under the right-wing view of immigration, I think they get to torture him in an offshore prison for this. I hear the UK is rainy this time of year.</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-3" href="#footnote-anchor-3" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">3</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>&#8220;White&#8221; is a miracle of American multiculturalism. Racists in America don&#8217;t see themselves as English, or German, or Dutch; they see themselves as <em>white</em>. In their imaginations, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yugoslavia">Yugoslavia</a> is one nation, one culture, and one people - everyone&#8217;s white, so they&#8217;re all the same, right? Bless them.</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-4" href="#footnote-anchor-4" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">4</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>As a subset of keeping foreigners out.</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-5" href="#footnote-anchor-5" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">5</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>One thing they keep bringing up is <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grooming_gangs_scandal">grooming gangs</a>. In a model informed by American culture, the grooming gangs are crimes done against native heritage Britons, so it stands to reason that it&#8217;s being conducted by new arrivals who aren&#8217;t rooted in the community, and likely being pushed by people against the local power structures who when found can easily be swept away.</p><p>A British lens notices that these are <em>working-class</em> Britons - so the crime cuts in the direction of power structures, not against them - and that the groomers also have established roots in the UK. The Home Office vetting every visa in the world for the slightest hint of criminality would do barely anything; local authorities swallowing their pride and lowering themselves to care about chav-on-chav violence would.</p><p></p></div></div>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[execution offense in the united states]]></title><description><![CDATA[on the President of the United States' recent claims that you can be executed for social media posts]]></description><link>https://tetraspace.substack.com/p/execution-offense-in-the-united-states</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://tetraspace.substack.com/p/execution-offense-in-the-united-states</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[💎 Tetraspace]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2025 00:20:42 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!WowR!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F551abdcf-c443-49f8-ac01-e90685a160b6_1388x340.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the 18th November 2025, Sen. Elissa Slotkin, along with Sen. Mark Kelly, Rep. Chris Deluzio, Rep. Maggie Goodlander, Rep. Chrissie Houlahan and Rep. Jason Crow, recorded and published <a href="https://x.com/SenatorSlotkin/status/1990774492356902948?s=20">a video</a>, in which they claim that there is a threat to the Constitution from inside the US, and that members of the US military are able to and required to refuse illegal orders.</p><p>I&#8217;m going to use the phrase &#8220;recorded and published&#8221; a lot in this post, as a stylistic choice to emphasize that this is specifically about the recording and publication of the video. That is, as far as I can tell, the scope of the accusations; I have not seen claims that they have privately approached members of the US military, or engaged in a broader campaign. </p><div class="subscription-widget-wrap-editor" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://tetraspace.substack.com/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe&quot;,&quot;language&quot;:&quot;en&quot;}" data-component-name="SubscribeWidgetToDOM"><div class="subscription-widget show-subscribe"><div class="preamble"><p class="cta-caption">Tetrablog is a reader-supported publication. To receive new posts and support my work, consider becoming a free or paid subscriber.</p></div><form class="subscription-widget-subscribe"><input type="email" class="email-input" name="email" placeholder="Type your email&#8230;" tabindex="-1"><input type="submit" class="button primary" value="Subscribe"><div class="fake-input-wrapper"><div class="fake-input"></div><div class="fake-button"></div></div></form></div></div><h1>Trump</h1><p>Two days later, on the 20th November, President of the United States found out about the video. At 2:08 PM GMT, he claimed that recording and publishing this video was criminal:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2" target="_blank" href="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!WowR!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F551abdcf-c443-49f8-ac01-e90685a160b6_1388x340.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!WowR!, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/w_424, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/c_limit, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/f_webp, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/q_auto:good, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F551abdcf-c443-49f8-ac01-e90685a160b6_1388x340.png 424w, /__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!WowR!, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/w_848, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/c_limit, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/f_webp, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/q_auto:good, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F551abdcf-c443-49f8-ac01-e90685a160b6_1388x340.png 848w, /__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!WowR!, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/w_1272, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/c_limit, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/f_webp, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/q_auto:good, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F551abdcf-c443-49f8-ac01-e90685a160b6_1388x340.png 1272w, /__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!WowR!, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/w_1456, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/c_limit, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/f_webp, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/q_auto:good, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F551abdcf-c443-49f8-ac01-e90685a160b6_1388x340.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!WowR!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F551abdcf-c443-49f8-ac01-e90685a160b6_1388x340.png" width="1388" height="340" 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/__u/tetraspace.substack.com/q_auto:good, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F551abdcf-c443-49f8-ac01-e90685a160b6_1388x340.png 424w, /__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!WowR!, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/w_848, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/c_limit, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/f_auto, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/q_auto:good, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F551abdcf-c443-49f8-ac01-e90685a160b6_1388x340.png 848w, /__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!WowR!, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/w_1272, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/c_limit, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/f_auto, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/q_auto:good, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F551abdcf-c443-49f8-ac01-e90685a160b6_1388x340.png 1272w, /__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!WowR!, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/w_1456, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/c_limit, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/f_auto, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/q_auto:good, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F551abdcf-c443-49f8-ac01-e90685a160b6_1388x340.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" fetchpriority="high"></picture><div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>At 2:17 PM GMT, nine minutes later, he claimed that specifically the punishment is imprisonment:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!icfz!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9c072bff-ca19-4532-a265-4bac84abf21b_1376x800.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!icfz!, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/w_424, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/c_limit, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/f_webp, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/q_auto:good, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9c072bff-ca19-4532-a265-4bac84abf21b_1376x800.png 424w, /__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!icfz!, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/w_848, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/c_limit, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/f_webp, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/q_auto:good, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9c072bff-ca19-4532-a265-4bac84abf21b_1376x800.png 848w, /__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!icfz!, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/w_1272, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/c_limit, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/f_webp, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/q_auto:good, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9c072bff-ca19-4532-a265-4bac84abf21b_1376x800.png 1272w, /__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!icfz!, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/w_1456, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/c_limit, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/f_webp, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/q_auto:good, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9c072bff-ca19-4532-a265-4bac84abf21b_1376x800.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!icfz!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9c072bff-ca19-4532-a265-4bac84abf21b_1376x800.png" width="1376" height="800" 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/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!icfz!, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/w_1456, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/c_limit, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/f_auto, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/q_auto:good, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9c072bff-ca19-4532-a265-4bac84abf21b_1376x800.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>At 3:21 PM GMT, about an hour later, he claimed that the punishment for &#8220;seditious behaviour&#8221; is the death penalty:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2" target="_blank" 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/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!REU0!, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/w_1456, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/c_limit, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/f_auto, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/q_auto:good, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F14713d8c-84b1-4706-800c-6bd0ca337e3f_1381x280.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>From Donald Trump&#8217;s own words, if we are maximally charitable but otherwise assume that he is being honest, he is <em>saying<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-1" href="#footnote-1" target="_self">1</a></em> that these Congressmen have performed the crime of sedition by recording and publishing this video, he wants these Congressmen to be arrested and imprisoned for this crime, and he also thinks that United States criminal law has scope to execute them.</p><p>As an <strong>inference</strong>, does not take much of a leap of logic to also guess that Donald Trump is saying that he wants them to be executed for the recording and publication of that video. He does not seem to have expressed any displeasure or regret about this fact of United States criminal law. </p><p>Between his post on 2:08 PM GMT and his post on 3:21 PM GMT, he reposted various messages, mostly claiming that the Congressmen are traitors or seditionists and should be fired or arrested, including one from someone who does want the Congressmen who recorded and published the video executed. Donald Trump&#8217;s own words regarding execution can, in theory, be read as a neutral statement of law (all he has strictly said is that he wants them imprisoned for recording and publishing an illegal video); however, he has retweeted a message from someone who <em>does</em> want them executed (specifically by hanging) for recording and publishing the illegal video.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!U7me!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F737c054a-1d12-4dcc-83ca-61fcd17c429f_1380x365.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!U7me!, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/w_424, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/c_limit, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/f_webp, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/q_auto:good, 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6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>Since he retweeted this, he is acting in ways that cause more people to see this. Making some more <strong>inferences</strong>: He is not retweeting things in an ideologically balanced manner, so I can guess that he probably wants to promote one viewpoint, or express his support of one viewpoint: namely, that the Congressmen who recorded and published the videos have done something bad, and should be punished for this bad thing. Since they&#8217;re not his own words, I take this as a directional support for a viewpoint; I don&#8217;t take this alone as specifically Trump supporting hanging them, but that he has a general affiliation in the direction that recording and publishing the video is bad and should be punished.</p><p>My <em><strong>guess</strong></em> is that the sum total of his behaviour is that he does think recording and publishing the video was bad, and that recording and publishing the video should be punished: and, on the object level, he expresses &#8220;bad&#8221; as &#8220;SEDITIOUS BEHAVIOUR&#8220; or &#8220;TRAITORS&#8221;, and &#8220;punished&#8221; as &#8220;ARRESTED AND PUT ON TRIAL&#8221; or &#8220;LOCK THEM UP&#8220; or &#8220;DEATH&#8220;, though he&#8217;s only talking about specific crimes and consequences because he needs <em>some</em> way to express what he thinks about the video.</p><p>This guess is substantiated by how <a href="https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/trump-democrats-sedition-death-threat-military-rcna245156">he himself later claimed that &#8220;punishable by DEATH&#8221; didn&#8217;t actually mean that he wanted them dead</a>. He hasn&#8217;t made any claims about how he doesn&#8217;t want them imprisoned, though.</p><blockquote><p>I think they&#8217;re in serious trouble. I would say they&#8217;re in serious trouble. I&#8217;m not threatening death, but I think they&#8217;re in serious trouble. In the old days, it was death. That was seditious behavior.</p></blockquote><p>Nonetheless: his <em>words</em> were that recording and publishing this video is &#8220;seditious behaviour&#8221;, to &#8220;lock them up&#8221;, and that &#8220;seditious behaviour&#8221; is &#8220;punishable by death&#8221;. </p><h1>The White House</h1><p>White House Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt was asked some questions about Donald Trump&#8217;s posts, which she answered in her professional capacity as White House Press Secretary:</p><blockquote><p><a href="https://x.com/allenanalysis/status/1991581303112888458?s=20">Q: This morning, President Donald Trump accused six Democratic lawmakers of &#8220;seditious behaviour punishable by death&#8221;.</a> Just to be clear, does the President want to execute members of Congress?</p><p>A: No. Let&#8217;s be clear about what the President is responding to, because many in this room want to talk about the President&#8217;s response, but not what brought the President to responding in this way. You have <em>sitting members</em> of the United States Congress who conspired together to orchestrate a video message to members of the United States military, to active duty servicemembers, the members of the national security apparatus, encouraging them to defy the President&#8217;s lawful orders. </p></blockquote><p>So, we have a &#8220;no&#8221; on whether the President thinks they should be executed. Sure - I <strong>guessed</strong> in his heart of hearts, he just wants them punished, and that he&#8217;s just naming punishments without specific claims that those are the punishments he wants.</p><p>I would like further clarification on <em>why</em> he posted &#8220;punishable by DEATH&#8221; (he sure wasn&#8217;t condemning it!), or why he reposted someone saying &#8220;HANG THEM&#8221;, but I think the news cycle is too fast for this.</p><p>When discussing the video, Leavitt said &#8220;lawful orders&#8221;, but in the video in question, only illegal orders are explicitly referred to. <a href="https://x.com/allenanalysis/status/1991580901738766525?s=20">A reporter asked for clarification</a>:</p><blockquote><p>Q: Actually [illegible] <em>illegal</em> orders.</p><p>A: They&#8217;re suggesting, <em>Nancy</em>, that the president has given illegal orders, which he has not. Every single order that is given to this United States Military by this Commander in Chief and through this chain of command through the Secretary of War is lawful, and the courts have proven that. This administration has an unparalleled record at the Supreme Court because we are following the laws. We don&#8217;t defy court orders, we do things by the books. And to suggest and encourage that active duty service members defy the chain of command is a <em>very</em> dangerous thing for sitting members of Congress to do, and they should be held accountable, and that&#8217;s what the President wants to see.</p></blockquote><p>Rephrasing: the video only said to disobey illegal orders, but, in the White House&#8217;s opinion, it suggested that some current orders are illegal, and can therefore, in the White House&#8217;s opinion, can be read as saying to disobey lawful orders, which is illegal sedition, which the White House thinks they should be &#8220;held accountable&#8221; for, Trump specifically saying to &#8220;lock them up&#8221; and that it&#8217;s &#8220;punishable by death&#8221;. I remark that these are the White House&#8217;s own inferences.</p><h1>Slotkin et al.</h1><p>Half of the video was straightforwardly and uncontroversially true. The <a href="https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/892">UCMJ only gives soldiers an obligation to follow lawful orders</a>. It does not give soldiers an obligation to follow all orders.</p><blockquote><p>Any person subject to this chapter who&#8212; </p><p>(1) violates or fails to obey any <strong>lawful</strong> general order or regulation;</p><p>(2) having knowledge of any other <strong>lawful</strong> order issued by a member of the armed forces, which it is his duty to obey, fails to obey the order; or</p><p>(3) is derelict in the performance of his duties;</p><p>shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.</p></blockquote><p>(Emphasis mine.)</p><p>To my knowledge, this is straightforwardly true. I have heard that this is taught at West Point. I have heard that the US military has lawyers, and the purpose of these lawyers is to predict whether or not orders are legal, in case a soldier is unsure about whether an order is legal, so they can better obey all and only legal orders. I do not think that I am providing a creative or strained interpretation.</p><p>Separately, it&#8217;s a kind of national founding myth that the members of the US army have swore an Oath to the Constitution, not a specific man. Myths don&#8217;t have legal power; I just mention this to highlight how, again, I don&#8217;t think that this is strange doctrine widely considered illegal to talk about, I think that this is me describing the ordinary straightforward interpretation of the law that members of the US army also get taught.</p><p>It&#8217;s the contents of a plaque prominently displayed in United States Military Academy West Point, among other plaques discussing the Constitution, which I guess are to make officers being trained in United States Military Academy West Point feel inspired.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!DHGg!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F32029b16-96e2-496f-a6a3-62a3f4d60a93_400x300.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" 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13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Marker in the United States Military Academy West Point, describing the founding myth that US officers swear an oath to the Constitution and not any one leader, and claiming &#8220;should orders and the law ever conflict, our officers must obey the law&#8221;.</figcaption></figure></div><p>This only applies if the order is <em>actually</em> illegal. If the soldier thinks that an order is illegal, but they are mistaken and it is actually legal, they <em>can</em> be punished for disobeying it. They don&#8217;t get sovereign citizen-style defenses in a court martial, and &#8220;I think the order was illegal&#8221; is not a get-out-of-jail-free card; if they mistakenly think a lawful order is illegal and they disobey it, then they are on the hook for disobeying it, just as if they disobeyed it because they didn&#8217;t feel like it. Soldiers must follow <em>all</em> legal orders; not merely all orders they <em>think</em> are legal. Many people have asked &#8220;who decides which orders are legal&#8221;, and the answer is the court martial that soldiers are dragged to when they disobey <em>any</em> order. The soldier themselves does not decide. Nonetheless, the soldier faces criminal penalties for obeying an illegal order, even if a judge hasn&#8217;t yet told them that it&#8217;s illegal.</p><p>This leaves soldiers in a deeply unfair double bind, if they&#8217;re faced with an order that might be illegal - either they follow it, and then if it turns out to be illegal, face criminal penalties; or they don&#8217;t follow it, and then if it turns out to be legal, face court martial penalties<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-2" href="#footnote-2" target="_self">2</a>. The best I can say is that soldiers have signed up to face deeply unfair situations. Sometimes they get shot at by enemy soldiers; sometimes they have to make a decision about an order they think is illegal. Part of being a soldier is to risk your life and freedom in the defense of your country, and sometimes their lives or freedom will be lost, and this is one of the ways that this can happen.</p><p><strong>This isn&#8217;t all the video says, though.</strong> It also makes some claims about the Constitution being under threat from inside America; namely, from the Trump administration. I don&#8217;t think that is very cruxy to whether I&#8217;m happy about the President of the United States saying the publishing and recording this video is a crime punishable by imprisonment or death, so I&#8217;m not going to talk about it much here. </p><p>I acknowledge that this makes the video less of a neutral stating of fact - they did not stick exclusively to the straightforward and uncontroversial claim that appears in the plaque on West Point - and more of a specific political statement. The video makes it sound very much like the authors believe that illegal orders are likely to be forthcoming. I do not have to hand probability estimates to say whether or not I agree with them, nor do I want to distract overmuch from the general point by taking a side on this.</p><p>Regardless, I acknowledge that the video was, in part, a political statement made criticizing President Trump.</p><h1>The American Public</h1><p>Many random Americans who reply to political posts on Twitter, who are not a representative sample of Americans, believe:</p><ul><li><p>the recording and publication of this video was a crime, punishable by death;</p></li><li><p>this is fine.</p></li></ul><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!-8Ku!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F89320fdf-0ab2-4744-bee9-da3e3d738f21_898x280.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" 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/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!-8Ku!, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/w_1456, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/c_limit, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/f_auto, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/q_auto:good, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F89320fdf-0ab2-4744-bee9-da3e3d738f21_898x280.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>Forgive me, sensei; I am now going to express my political opinions.</p><p><em><strong>Have some damn pride!</strong></em> Seriously? You think that there&#8217;s the death penalty for speech in your country and you&#8217;re smug and cheerful about this, because you personally don&#8217;t think that you say anything that&#8217;s illegal?</p><p>Here are some groups of claims that I see about the video, and my thoughts on those claims:</p><p><strong>While they say &#8220;illegal&#8221; in the video, since no illegal orders have been made, it seems like they&#8217;ve implied that some orders made in the past that were legal were actually illegal. So they&#8217;re</strong> <strong>secretly proposing that those specific legal orders get disobeyed.</strong> &#8594; I think that it&#8217;s bad for a country to criminally punish people for implications in their speech. Having a judge divine implications you never actually said into your words, and issuing the criminal penalties based on their interpretation of your words, seems bad; it requires people to know not only the law, but the psychology of judges. Having the death penalty for clumsy phrasing seems incredibly bad, and is not cause to be happy or smug. People being imprisoned for clumsy phrasing is also bad, and also not cause to be happy or smug.</p><p>Part of having laws, rather than just arbitrary authority, is that you are punished for breaking the law, and not punished for not breaking the law; as such, if the state issues criminal penalties for speech, it should only issue it for actual speech, not its interpretation of your speech, unless that interpretation is <em>very</em> clear. If reasonable people disagree, the implication was not sufficiently clear.</p><p>Otherwise, a lot more speech than what the state intends to ban would get banned - people would be scared not only to say things that are actually illegal, but anything that a judge <em>might </em>think was <em>implying</em> something illegal. That&#8217;s a lot of speech banned, indeed - imagine if everything that the Left claims is stochastic terrorism was punished as if it was actual terrorism!</p><p><strong>While they say &#8220;illegal&#8221;, since no illegal orders have been made, they&#8217;re secretly saying to disobey some legal orders.</strong> &#8594; See my previous remarks on criminal penalties for something a judge merely reads into your words.</p><p><strong>I&#8217;m confused. While they say &#8220;unlawful&#8221;, they don&#8217;t seem to mention any specific orders given that are unlawful. What are they talking about? / What illegal orders?</strong> &#8594; That specific part applies prospectively, to future illegal orders; they are ostensibly saying that soldiers should disobey illegal orders in the future, not just ones made in the past.</p><p><strong>They wouldn&#8217;t have said this under a Democratic President!</strong> &#8594; Being a political partisan should not be a crime. If you think something should be legal to say if it&#8217;s about both parties, it shouldn&#8217;t become criminal just because you only hear it being said about one party. Otherwise a lot of ordinary politics might get banned.</p><p>You benefit from ordinary politics because one thing that keeps the government honest is that if it does badly enough by the people it gets voted out of office, and also sometimes the people in government do things you don&#8217;t like and it would be good for you if those people ever left office.</p><p><strong>What about 18 U.S. Code &#167; 2387?</strong> &#8594; This does not specify the death penalty for speech, and as such is making a weaker claim than the President. Regarding the actual penalty - a felony conviction, with 20 year prison sentences and fines - I think the first amendment precludes that law being interpreted so broadly as to outlaw the recording and publication of this video, and if it did outlaw that video, that&#8217;s not cause to be cheerful and smug, it&#8217;s cause to be disturbed about the government taking away your freedom of speech.<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-3" href="#footnote-3" target="_self">3</a></p><p><strong>It might be illegal for some other reason, and nobody is above the law!</strong> &#8594; And you&#8217;re not horrified by this being a law? The law can be changed! Unjust laws should be changed! There is a body in your country, called Congress, whose job it is to write new laws, and to edit existing laws!</p><p><strong>No, I mean, like, nobody is above being tried for crimes, and a judge can determine whether it was actually illegal after hearing all available evidence. My guess is that it&#8217;s legal, but that&#8217;s for a judge to make after a trial, not for me.</strong> &#8594; You are making a much weaker claim than the President of the United States made. The President of the United States said that it was &#8220;seditious behaviour&#8221;, to &#8220;lock them up&#8221;, and that &#8220;seditious behaviour&#8221; is &#8220;punishable with death&#8221;. He did not say that it was <em>maybe</em> seditious behaviour, and that a fair trial should check this, but that before the trial he is genuinely unsure. If you think that it might be seditious behaviour, but it might not be, you disagree with the President of the United States.</p><p>Criminal trials are also pretty unpleasant things to go to, though I acknowledge that Trump himself has went through a criminal trial, and so the weaponisation of the justice system for political ends is a broader partisan issue beyond the scope of this post.</p><p><strong>Who decides which orders are illegal?</strong> &#8594; A military judge in a court martial, in which a soldier is dragged before and tried when they disobey any order, even if that soldier personally thinks the order is illegal. See section &#8220;Slotkin et al.&#8221; in this post for details.</p><p><strong>The President only said that sedition was punishable by death, as an abstract claim about a crime. If you think he&#8217;s saying these six Congressmen did something punishable by death, you&#8217;re admitting they were seditious! </strong>&#8594; He said specifically that recording and publishing the video was &#8220;seditious behaviour&#8221;; this is a claim about the President&#8217;s words, not about US law. See section &#8220;Trump&#8220; in this post for details.</p><p><strong>Alright, but the video was bad, anyway, and causes harm to American people, including me.</strong> &#8594; That&#8217;s possible. I don&#8217;t have opinions on the video as strong as the other opinions I&#8217;ve expressed in this post - it said some straightforwardly true things, and also some controversial things. I&#8217;m mostly concerned about what the reaction to the video, from the President, the Executive, and the people, indicates. </p><p>It&#8217;s possible it was bad. People should be legally permitted to make social media posts that you think are bad.</p><p>The reasons for this are just the standard arguments for freedom of speech:</p><ul><li><p>If you are wrong about what&#8217;s bad, and write that into law, and someone is arrested for something that is actually good, you&#8217;re missing out on that idea. Ideas are useful. They built the modern world.</p></li><li><p>If people can be arrested at all for speech, then the government has that power, and can use it against you, if the government becomes bad later.</p></li><li><p>If people can be arrested for speech, then there&#8217;s less that keeps the government good; even if the government is good now, it can arrest people for speech that&#8217;s preventing it from going bad, and so it&#8217;s more likely to go bad. </p></li><li><p>You&#8217;re a free citizen, and <em>how dare</em> the state tell you what to do, even if it&#8217;s telling you to do something you were going to do anyway.</p></li></ul><p>Was recording and publishing that video good? Was it bad? Not sure.</p><p>Should you want it to be legal, even if you think it was bad? Yes.</p><p>If it was illegal, should you be happy about that? No.</p><p>Systems that listen to people are built on top of people who want to be listened to.</p><h1>What Becomes of This?</h1><p>Nothing. </p><p>The President of the United States is one man who will sometimes powerlessly mouth off and say that six of America&#8217;s elected representatives should die for recording and publishing a video. The Constitution is well-written enough, the government functional enough, the people virtuous enough, that this won&#8217;t result in a hair on anyone&#8217;s head being touched. Despite all the talk of the death penalty for speech, I&#8217;m publishing this post under my real name on English-language social media. </p><p>This isn&#8217;t a big deal enough that anything will happen to the President about this; it&#8217;s not enough of a scandal that it would get him impeached, nor even affect the electoral prospects of his party, except as single incident in a larger pattern that people notice. </p><p>Doesn&#8217;t mean I have to like the man, though. </p><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-1" href="#footnote-anchor-1" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">1</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>It is possible that, in his heart, he thinks something else: that he is &#8220;trolling&#8221;, or &#8220;lying&#8221;. I think that, in order to determine what is in someone&#8217;s heart, one should first read the words they say, and <em>then</em> figure out what they mean, instead of immediately throwing out the words and replacing them with some other thing.</p><p>I also believe the President of the United States should be held to a standard of conduct whereby what they say about the law, especially in cases which might lead to the deaths of American citizens, should be honest. I don&#8217;t like liars. They make it harder for me to know things about the world. </p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-2" href="#footnote-anchor-2" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">2</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>If they disobey any order, very likely they get court martialled; but if it turns out to be an illegal order, in principle the code of military justice says they&#8217;re allowed to do this.</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-3" href="#footnote-anchor-3" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">3</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>I&#8217;m not a lawyer, so I asked Kimi K2 about this law, pretty, uh, emotively: </p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" 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6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>This sounds as though it doesn&#8217;t make recording and publishing this video a felony (e.g. they&#8217;re not calling for imminent illegal action; they&#8217;re just saying to disobey illegal orders in the abstract, not to disobey some specific order they&#8217;ve been given; Kimi claims &#8220;anything short of &#8220;prepare your rifles and refuse that convoy at 0600 tomorrow&#8221; is protected&#8221;).</p><p>I&#8217;m not a lawyer, though. I can&#8217;t say for sure. I can only say that if it did make recording and publishing that video a felony punishable by 20 years in prison, I&#8217;d find that pretty disturbing. Didn&#8217;t you grow up learning that you had a &#8220;right to free speech&#8221;, and that this was a good thing? </p></div></div>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[uninvited guests]]></title><description><![CDATA[The first dictator had 10,000 people visit his house with guns.]]></description><link>https://tetraspace.substack.com/p/uninvited-guests</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://tetraspace.substack.com/p/uninvited-guests</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[💎 Tetraspace]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2025 02:00:32 GMT</pubDate><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The first dictator had 10,000 people visit his house with guns. They asked for democracy. He said &#8220;no&#8221;, and told his guards to shoot at them. They shot back, and killed the guards and established a new regime. Maybe even a democratic one.</p><p>The second dictator had 10,000 people visit his house with guns. They asked for democracy. He said &#8220;okay,&#8221; and walked out with his hands up, his pockets filled with some of the gold that he was funneling into his own accounts because he&#8217;s not going to go out completely broke. I hear that he&#8217;s playing map games in a neighboring country nowadays. There&#8217;s a new regime. This one also might be democratic, who knows.</p><p>The third dictator had 10,000 people visit his house without guns. They asked for democracy. He says &#8220;no&#8220;. The next day, 10,000 people turn up with guns. This doesn&#8217;t go as well for the dictator.</p><p>The fourth dictator had 10,000 people visit his house without guns. He knew the drill. Nowadays, he&#8217;s playing map games with the second dictator. They play as each other&#8217;s countries. It&#8217;s kind of sweet.</p><p>The fifth dictator has 10,000 people visit his house without guns. They ask for democracy. He tells his guards to shoot them dead. The pile of bodies deters anyone from stopping by the next day, and you can&#8217;t come back with a gun if you&#8217;re dead. He&#8217;s still in power.</p><p>The sixth dictator has 10,000 people visit his house without guns. Some of them are wearing silly hats. Some of them are old ladies. Some of them are schoolkids. They ask for democracy. He tells his guards to shoot them dead. The next day, 20,000 people come by, with guns. They saw the dead kids and dead old ladies and dead people with silly hats on foreign news. They weren&#8217;t very happy about that. </p><p>The seventh dictator has 10,000 people plan to visit his house without guns, tomorrow. He uses some good old fashioned human surveillance and some LLM surveillance of online communications to find out who they are and what they&#8217;re planning. His guards visit their houses with guns first.</p><p>The eight dictator won&#8217;t really worry about people visiting his house.</p>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Tsutenkaku ]]></title><description><![CDATA[Reach Heaven Through Tower]]></description><link>https://tetraspace.substack.com/p/tsutenkaku</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://tetraspace.substack.com/p/tsutenkaku</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[💎 Tetraspace]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2025 02:01:18 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Phuy!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fdc63d946-e1b5-47b0-8170-ad41b189c116_3000x3000.jpeg" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The year is 1903, and the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifth_National_Industrial_Exhibition">Fifth National Industrial Exhibition</a> in Osaka was a roaring success. People came from around the world to take a look at Japan&#8217;s progress in westernising while keeping its traditions, under the reign of Emperor Meiji. They wanted to see the future, they wanted to see economic growth, they wanted to see GDP, they wanted to gaze upon the face of Aroden and the supply-demand curves of Abadar, and this they saw.</p><p>Come 1912, patterned off the great Cities of New York and Paris, is Shinsekai, &#26032;&#19990;&#30028;, the New World, a newly built district of Osaka looking forward and not back. Like the city of industry Paris, Shinsekai had none other than an Eiffel Tower in the middle.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Phuy!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fdc63d946-e1b5-47b0-8170-ad41b189c116_3000x3000.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Phuy!, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/w_424, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/c_limit, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/f_webp, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/q_auto:good, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fdc63d946-e1b5-47b0-8170-ad41b189c116_3000x3000.jpeg 424w, /__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Phuy!, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/w_848, 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8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">First glimpse of Tsutenkaku (&#36890;&#22825;&#38307;, &#8220;tower reaching heaven&#8221;) on the walk over from Abeno Harukas.</figcaption></figure></div><p>Come 2025, and Shinesekai remains a vision of 1912&#8217;s future. <em>Tsutenkaku evokes nostalgia</em>. Yet it does still work &#8212; a lover of GDP and industry and growth and trade comes, from distant Europe, hearing tales of this tower from which one can look over Osaka.</p><p>Tsutenkaku, as a symbol of Osaka (given the Aroden-blessed internationalising trends, nostalgia also means more conceptual density on Tsutenkaku being a symbol of Japan, rather than of Earth), despite only being 103 m tall, had many more people waiting in line. There was a small queue to get tickets, and then a much longer queue to actually get in.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!flRL!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff924d0ca-8b8c-43c2-adad-37194ea7b41c_3000x4000.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!flRL!, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/w_424, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/c_limit, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/f_webp, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/q_auto:good, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff924d0ca-8b8c-43c2-adad-37194ea7b41c_3000x4000.jpeg 424w, /__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!flRL!, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/w_848, 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I regret not scrolling through to see how it handles Kosovo, as well as some of the other sovereignty edge cases.</figcaption></figure></div><p>This queue was for the two attractions of Tsutenkaku: the slide, and the observation deck. The observation deck seemed to have many more visitors than the slide. After all, one&#8217;s goal is to ascend, not to go down. Had I more time and energy, I&#8217;d have done both, though I knew what I was here for.</p><div class="image-gallery-embed" data-attrs="{&quot;gallery&quot;:{&quot;images&quot;:[{&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/jpeg&quot;,&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/4017045c-8454-4cca-b2c7-74412b6a2f0e_3000x4000.jpeg&quot;},{&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/jpeg&quot;,&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/45ad1e9f-937e-43c9-a770-dafce2cefe2b_3000x4000.jpeg&quot;}],&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;staticGalleryImage&quot;:{&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/png&quot;,&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/34a93b3c-c64d-4be8-a6c5-ca715835bf3a_1456x720.png&quot;}},&quot;isEditorNode&quot;:true}"></div><p>Like many an observation deck designed for tourists - this one at first for tourists from 1912, though now adapted for the time - it loves to continually remind you that hey, you&#8217;re in Osaka, look at this train from Osaka, look at how Osaka dialect exists and also check out these traditional Japanese seasonal flowers.</p><p>Though I choose these also because they present iconography of something that shows their understanding of what an Observation Deck <em>is</em> - the smiling yellow figure showing his feet is a God.</p><p>Biliken (CG), the God of Things as they Ought to Be, first enclericed Florence Pretz in 1908 when appearing to him in a dream, and Tsutenkaku is now one of his holy sites. He is believed to bring good luck to his worshippers, especially if you rub his feet (hence the prominent images of one of his holy symbols, the foot, on the poster on the right hand side). The statue of Biliken watching over Tsutenkaku is the third one, after pilgrims wore through his feet touching them over the years.</p><p>Observation deck (&#8220;Golden Observation Platform&#8221;) was observation deck fare - bunch of statues of Biliken around, lit up in a yellow that kind of obscured the view of the city, bunch of machines into which one could insert coins and get various trinkets that one could take out of Japan to show to everyone that you&#8217;ve been to Japan. Built around a central core where the elevator and stairs live, windows on all sides. 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Kichijoten, Jurojin, Hotei, Benzaiten, Daikokuten and Ebisu. </figcaption></figure></div><p>Above the fifth floor glass observation deck were the two outside decks (&#8220;Tembo Paradise&#8221;). The first outside deck was pretty tight, enough space for two people though sometimes these two people would be blocking the way around. Still, as a rooftop observation deck, there was no window or reflections, just a clear view out to Osaka.<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-1" href="#footnote-1" target="_self">1</a></p><p>Since it&#8217;s within walking distance of Abeno Harukas, I got a nice view of Abeno Harukas, at sunset but with the lights still on, across the other side of Tennoji Park. 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This was very tight, only enough space for one person, so I didn&#8217;t spend much time there - when I was there travel around it was blocked, so I just went up to look around and check the box. </p><p>Classic Osaka sight of a Ferris wheel, of course: </p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Velg!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7fdc0118-0f87-45c9-93e5-4681878706b8_3000x3000.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Velg!, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/w_424, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/c_limit, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/f_webp, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/q_auto:good, 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It&#8217;s by the Osaka Bay, which gives you a nice view of the port and the boats. I love observing global trade! </p><p>Sticking out of Tsutenkaku Tower is Tip the Tsutenkaku, a little platform that you can stand at the end of to clear Tsutenkaku and get views surrounding you as well as directly downwards. I&#8217;m scared enough of heights that this was thrilling; not least when I happily bounced a little at the sight, causing an amount of shaking and creaking that snapped me out of my reverie.</p><div class="image-gallery-embed" data-attrs="{&quot;gallery&quot;:{&quot;images&quot;:[{&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/jpeg&quot;,&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/f66e3d23-2d1c-431f-92be-9e83c37edafe_3000x4000.jpeg&quot;},{&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/jpeg&quot;,&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/8a514d99-e948-4d05-976a-db0da17992aa_3000x4000.jpeg&quot;}],&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;staticGalleryImage&quot;:{&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/png&quot;,&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/946d8d97-2025-44c3-9c6b-c85203d19869_1456x720.png&quot;}},&quot;isEditorNode&quot;:true}"></div><p>On the fourth floor is the Light Observation Platform, the Present to the Golden Observation Platform&#8217;s Past, this one finally representing Osaka&#8217;s draw to tourists now, rather than of 1912. Osaka has the fortune of holding the 2025 World Expo, though I was much too late to buy tickets for, and the Light Observation Platform talks about the World Expo a great deal. At night, there&#8217;s a disco ball.</p><div class="image-gallery-embed" data-attrs="{&quot;gallery&quot;:{&quot;images&quot;:[{&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/jpeg&quot;,&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/c4bbb54a-7520-474c-bdd9-6d39fbccfcad_3000x4000.jpeg&quot;},{&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/jpeg&quot;,&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/3b061f3f-a27a-4dd7-b976-f4b47e13853d_3000x4000.jpeg&quot;},{&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/jpeg&quot;,&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/ab3ea67c-191f-41cb-878a-5813056791e7_3000x4000.jpeg&quot;}],&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;staticGalleryImage&quot;:{&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/png&quot;,&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/b7ab4979-78bc-409f-9c90-0d92bebbe420_1456x474.png&quot;}},&quot;isEditorNode&quot;:true}"></div><p>Overall, I didn&#8217;t get as much from Tsutenkaku as I did from Abeno Harukas. I was taking these observation decks as an opportunity to see the city from another literal perspective, and Tsutenkaku is a wonder of its time rather than one that stands on its own, since overshadowed by greater Structures, and yet one that still somewhat datedly thinks of itself as a wonder. Still glad the Biliken gets his tower, though! </p><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-1" href="#footnote-anchor-1" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">1</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>These are hard to come by on the very tall buildings - the higher up you get, the worse the environmental conditions, and the worse that can happen if you&#8217;re not behind a thick screen of glass - so Tsutenkaku&#8217;s profile works in its favour here.</p></div></div>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[License to Defect]]></title><description><![CDATA[Suppose the government makes an announcement saying that you, and only you, will from now on avoid prosecution for stealing. Hooray!]]></description><link>https://tetraspace.substack.com/p/license-to-defect</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://tetraspace.substack.com/p/license-to-defect</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[💎 Tetraspace]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2025 04:30:59 GMT</pubDate><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Suppose the government makes an announcement saying that you, and only you, will from now on avoid prosecution for stealing. Awesome! You can now get anything that you want from any store whenever you want! You walk into the nearest McDonald&#8217;s, ready to go into the kitchen and grab as many burgers as you can fit in your hands.</p><p>Whoops, the McDonald&#8217;s Security guy refuses to let you in. Whoops, every store seems to be doing this? This sucks!</p><p>(Eventually you figure out a workaround by which you hire a guy to privately follow you around, having signed a contract saying that they beat you up if you steal from any store. Stores let you in if they see this guy following you around.)<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-1" href="#footnote-1" target="_self">1</a></p><p>You rue the day that the government gave you this extra option which strictly improves your life. If only you hadn&#8217;t been granted this license to defect!</p><h1>Burgers to Blast Furnaces</h1><p>Suppose the government, which is run primarily by people with blue hair, makes an announcement saying that crime is legal when committed by people with blue hair against people with red hair. There are protests by people with red hair, but not many &#8211; if people with red hair were able to sway government action like that, there&#8217;d already have been red-haired people in government. There are protests by people with blue hair, but not many &#8211; this license to defect is something that strictly gives them more options, and strictly benefits them, and only a few people with blue hair would go against their hair-colour-based interests to be <em>nice</em> to people with red hair.  </p><p>An investor, with luscious locks of red hair, receives some promises from a blue-haired community that they&#8217;ll be able to establish a factory in a blue-haired municipality.</p><p>The investor starts building the factory, contracting with a red-haired construction company that they have close contact with and that they share a cultural background with. Halfway through construction, a blue-haired gang of people starts hitting the red-haired construction workers with sticks - including some of the people who promised to the red-haired community that the factory would be built, because blue-on-red crime is legal and so contract terms that bind blue-haired people&#8217;s actions against red-haired people are not enforced.</p><p>&#8220;What the dusk,&#8221; say the people with blue hair. &#8220;We&#8217;re allowed to do this! The government permits us to do this against people with red hair; people with red hair were not able to stop us; I&#8217;m a person with blue hair, so I mostly care about blue-haired people, and don&#8217;t care much about the welfare of red-haired people; I don&#8217;t consider harms to red-haired people to be very much of a harm to myself or my interests. How come we&#8217;re worse-off for this?&#8221;</p><p>And the red-haired investor says &#8220;I&#8217;m just personally deciding not to build the factory here any more. It&#8217;s not that I&#8217;m advocating for any change to the policy, just that, given the current policy, it&#8217;s not worth it for me to invest in factories here.&#8221;</p><p>The blue-haired people are pretty upset, but they don&#8217;t actually have the power to coerce the red-haired people into continuing with the factory any more. They looked into seizing the assets of red-haired people, but ran into issues such as many blue-hair-run banks being unwilling to do asset seizures (even though that&#8217;s entirely legal for them!) and many red-haired people&#8217;s assets - including the investor - being held in other jurisdictions with policies more friendly to red-haired people. For some reason.  </p><p>They live their lives, absent the products of the factory. Blue-haired society functioned before the factory, and it continues to function; it&#8217;s just not as great as it could be. Perhaps, in time, a blue-haired investor contracts with a blue-haired construction company &#8211; and then the blue-haired people are without that capital, and without the labours of the blue-haired construction company.</p><p>They rue the day their blue-haired compatriots had that license to defect &#8211; if only the contract with the red-haired investor had been enforced! It&#8217;s not at all that they care about the red-haired people - their friends have blue hair, their <em>kids</em> have blue hair. It&#8217;s just - they don&#8217;t have a factory. </p><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-1" href="#footnote-anchor-1" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">1</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>Now, if the government gives a <em>lot</em> of people a license to defect, then what happens is the store locks all of the vegan A5 wagyu steaks inside transparent boxes; whenever someone wants a vegan A5 wagyu steak they ask a member of staff to open a transparent box and give them the vegan steak inside. Alas, transparent boxes are expensive, and this whole process with staff is expensive, so they don&#8217;t do this if it&#8217;s just you.</p><p></p></div></div>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Abeno Harukas Observatory ]]></title><description><![CDATA[&#39640;&#12356;&#12499;&#12523;&#65281;]]></description><link>https://tetraspace.substack.com/p/abeno-harukas-observatory</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://tetraspace.substack.com/p/abeno-harukas-observatory</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[💎 Tetraspace]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2025 07:01:17 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!1i2c!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5a44692c-1afc-4fba-a9ca-d32a9be15b9d_3000x4000.jpeg" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Abeno Harukas is an unassuming building. Coming out of Tenn&#333;ji station, it looks just like any other building; it took me a wisdom roll to realise that, wait a moment, I was craning my neck way more than when looking at a typical 100 m tall. Indeed, this is &#12300;Abeno Harukas&#12301;. 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class="image-caption">Fourth in Japan: SKYTREE, Tokyo Tower, and Azabudai Hills are taller.</figcaption></figure></div><p>It has been unassuming to me for a while. A few nights before this, I laid eyes on Abeno Harukas, and it took me a moment to recognise it as such. On one hand, it seemed like Abeno Harukas was too far away to be the building that I saw on the skyline; and I hadn&#8217;t memorised the profile of Abeno Harukas, it just being another building. But dispositive of it being Abeno Harukas? The scale. It&#8217;s Abeno Harukas. It&#8217;s twice as tall as anything else, and it manages to be subtle about it.</p><p>On account of Abeno Harukas&#8217; subtlety, there wasn&#8217;t much trouble getting to the top; the queues to the elevators were only a single group for each elevator. I Love Efficient Pricing! I Love Hidden Gems! I Love This 300 m Tall Building That&#8217;s Kind Of Hard To Notice!</p><p>The observatory of Abeno Harukas was somewhat plain, a square floor plan with four walls surrounding an interior courtyard that I didn&#8217;t go into. You get a good view of Osaka and Keihanshin&#8217;s geography, located in the Osaka Bay - on three sides you see mountains, on one side you see the sea. There were some beautiful views of Osaka, though Osaka lacked a lot of Landmarks that I could look for; this was a combination of me having less of the lay of the land of Osaka, and what I think is Osaka being more of a continuous urban fabric than Tokyo&#8217;s many districts (or perhaps Tokyo is just big enough to fit many districts; 3m people in &#22823;&#38442;&#24066; vs the 10m people of &#26481;&#20140;&#37117;&#21306;&#37096;).</p><div class="image-gallery-embed" data-attrs="{&quot;gallery&quot;:{&quot;images&quot;:[{&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/jpeg&quot;,&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/80bbf690-8bc5-43eb-8ebb-74b1e2a618cb_3000x4000.jpeg&quot;},{&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/jpeg&quot;,&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/93cf845b-0871-4071-aa82-1105deb2c9e1_3000x4000.jpeg&quot;},{&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/jpeg&quot;,&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/0e2086d4-719a-4b86-8e24-821e9dcc4ff1_3000x4000.jpeg&quot;},{&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/jpeg&quot;,&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/1f234bf2-f0f0-4ba7-bf7d-8a3ec4e3fc4f_3000x4000.jpeg&quot;},{&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/jpeg&quot;,&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/0918662d-e0fb-4656-9a83-efd8c9208779_3000x4000.jpeg&quot;}],&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;Not to knock the views of Osaka! &quot;,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;staticGalleryImage&quot;:{&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/png&quot;,&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/b8d54168-b1c6-4eec-803b-a3aa326c5dd3_1456x1210.png&quot;}},&quot;isEditorNode&quot;:true}"></div><p>I did get to see this mystery building on the horizon! Despite being glaringly obvious, a massive attention-drawing Structure with nothing around it, bright white against the dark background, I didn&#8217;t see it labelled in my brochure about the deck, nor did I already know what it was. I at first thought it might have been the Tower of the Sun, a white weird-looking tower in the distance of Osaka, but the shape didn&#8217;t match. </p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!hb5t!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fee0aa758-0263-4caa-af66-bc27ed3da9d8_2351x2351.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!hb5t!, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/w_424, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/c_limit, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/f_webp, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/q_auto:good, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fee0aa758-0263-4caa-af66-bc27ed3da9d8_2351x2351.jpeg 424w, /__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!hb5t!, 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It&#8217;s a 180 m tall memorial for all victims of war in history, regardless of the circumstances, built in 1970 by <a href="https://www.perfect-liberty.or.jp/">Perfect Liberty Kyodan</a>, a <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_new_religions">minor Japanese religion</a>  founded in 1924. I hadn&#8217;t heard of it before and it seems to have a strangely low presence in the universal prior - the Wikipedia page only has two paragraphs, the top Kagi result is for offbeatjapan.com. There&#8217;s an <a href="http://scp-int.wikidot.com/the-great-peace-prayer-tower">SCP Wiki article</a> that&#8217;s just a review of it in the top page. I&#8217;m glad that I was able to find out about this; not sure if I have enough time left in Osaka to want to visit it, but I might be interested in doing so on another trip.</p><p>The other highlight of the Osaka skyline was the Ferris wheels! Osaka has a few giant Ferris wheels, and the ones that are oriented such that they&#8217;re facing Abeno Harukas are very visible against the skyline, being a hundred meters in size, disk-shaped rather than thin and narrow, of a different form to skyscrapers and positioned such that they don&#8217;t have any surrounding obstacles.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!pIm5!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3be6bfff-bcb3-427e-aa30-11f91c93dab9_3000x3000.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!pIm5!, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/w_424, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/c_limit, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/f_webp, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/q_auto:good, 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That&#8217;s right, Osaka gets TWO world expos! A little to the left of it but with half of its height obscured is the Tower of the Sun (the two fins at the bottom are barely visible), of significantly more fame.</p><p>Redhorse Osaka is in fact the third Ferris wheel built on that site; the previous two were the Wonder Wheel (build for Expo &#8216;70, 40 m tall) and the Technocosmos (built for Expo &#8216;85 in Tsukuba, and then moved to Osaka after the Expo, 85 m tall). I like Ferris wheels - they&#8217;re a lot like observation decks, with the con that they go up and then down, but the pro that they&#8217;re very comfortable, you sit down in an air conditioned carriage with only the people in your group and sit back and watch a city grow increasingly beautiful. </p><p>For a special treat, there was a trip to the roof of Abeno Harukas! There are two ways to visit the roof: the <a href="https://www.abenoharukas-300.jp/en/observatory/heliport.html">Abeno Harukas Observatory Heliport Tour</a>, and <a href="https://www.abenoharukas-300.jp/observatory/edge/en/">Edge the Harukas</a>. I did the heliport tour; it runs more often in larger groups, such that I could just walk up to the counter; this takes you up to the heliport, a large flat area on the roof of Abeno Harukas, 300 m up, with an open view directly to Osaka. There was some moisture on the outside of the windows inside the observation deck, so I liked this clearer view!</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_0om!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8129bb70-e53f-45ba-a77a-43cc2cfea06f_3000x4000.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_0om!, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/w_424, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/c_limit, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/f_webp, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/q_auto:good, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8129bb70-e53f-45ba-a77a-43cc2cfea06f_3000x4000.jpeg 424w, /__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_0om!, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/w_848, 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The representations of running and throwing were pretty good, though the specific instructions around what you&#8217;re allowed to do past the orange line marking the border of the helipad were only conveyed to me by earlier written safety instructions. </p><p>By the time I was descending, the sun was low over the Osaka Bay, which meant that one of the cardinal directions was almost blinding. 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I failed to appreciate a big part of the exhibition, because no cameras nor phones were allowed and part of it was explaining the themes of the manga via presenting a bunch of manga comics in Japanese for which &#12392;&#12390;&#12418;&#36933;&#12367;&#35501;&#12415;&#12414;&#12377;. Still, I can appreciate what I saw: a mangaka who&#8217;s an actual doctor made a manga about the renegade doctor Black Jack, a rogue with a heart of gold, exploring their feelings about medicine in a way that was purportedly pretty new for the time. Art is pretty! </p><p>Overall, Abeno Harukas is just a tall building, with all that entails. Nothing particularly special about it, but nothing particularly bad or cloying about it. You can go up it, and look out, and see all of Osaka without bias, and there you have it. Great for if all you want to do is go 300 m up and you have no other desires in this world :3!</p>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[On Child Abuse in Cartoons]]></title><description><![CDATA[Spoilers: Homestuck, the Owl House, Matilda. CW: Child abuse (obviously).]]></description><link>https://tetraspace.substack.com/p/on-child-abuse-in-cartoons</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://tetraspace.substack.com/p/on-child-abuse-in-cartoons</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[💎 Tetraspace]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2025 21:24:36 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!lYfG!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7661a213-565e-4da8-ba68-efa65dcdfdb4_1198x584.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today I watched the <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQszKkN6Jb0">Homestuck pilot</a>! Yep, there&#8217;s a Homestuck anime now. It&#8217;s produced by Vivziepop and John Egbert is voiced by Toby Fox. It&#8217;s good, not yet to the level of an obsession or fascination but I will be watching every episode; I laughed out loud once, which is a decent feat to achieve, and I really enjoyed the soundtrack. It reminded me of Dave Strider, who I have some thoughts on wrt how child abuse is depicted in cartoons. Other people have takes on how the pilot&#8217;s depiction of Dave Strider interacts with this, though most of my thoughts here I already formed from reading and thinking about the webcomic. The webcomic was an obsession and fascination. </p><p>Somewhere like <a href="https://yougov.co.uk/society/articles/38382-smacking-parents-who-were-physically-punished-chil">half of children</a> are physically assaulted by their parents. Maybe it&#8217;s 20%, whatever; it definitely happens enough that one can say that it&#8217;s everywhere, rather than a rare anomaly. It&#8217;s legal in England and in every US state. Despite this, child abuse does <em>not</em> have a strong presence in modern media.</p><p>I mean, can you imagine? If a child is assaulted on-screen, then that becomes immensely distracting. Despite how universal it is, we all know that it&#8217;s the kind of thing that you keep behind closed doors.</p><p>One way to play this is to make the show <em>about</em> child abuse. A parent hits their kids; this is immensely distracting, and draws focus from everything else to how this parent is the kind of violent and uncontrolled abuser who would <em>hit</em> their <em>own kids</em>. We know, immediately, to hate this parent; we know and expect that there&#8217;s some remark on the psychological effects on this child. It is a victory if the child escapes, and a loss if the child doesn&#8217;t. </p><p><em><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matilda_the_Musical">Matilda the Musical</a></em> has a few different instances of assault, ranging from the mild to the cartoonis. The act of assault that&#8217;s used to show off how Matilda&#8217;s parents are abusive is of the mild kind. I don&#8217;t remember the exact scope of it, though I remember it&#8217;s more like slamming doors and shoving than actual direct hitting. Matilda&#8217;s parents&#8217; behaviour suffices to establish them as villains of the story, and we hope dearly that Matilda is able to escape them, and we cheer when they receive their eventual comeuppance. The cartoonish assault is by the Trunchbull. Picking up a child by their hair and swinging them around and throwing them a large distance is liable to literally <em>kill</em> that child; but Trunchbull here is the cartoonish authoritarian principal, she does this in her capacity as a character in a story for kids. The assault, nonetheless, establishes her firmly as the villain of the story. </p><p>Another way is to totally ignore it. In <em>The Owl House</em>, Camila Noceda, the mother of the main character, at one point <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gCMPYRgDjE">defeats the villain of an episode using a sandal</a>. The fandom knows the joke - Camila is a mother, and mothers use sandals to assault their children. The sandal is a scary thing, an establishment of absolute authority, because parents are stronger than children, they have all the power and the children have none, and when they assault children they win. It&#8217;s a badass moment on the part of Camila Noceda, who immediately defeats the villain with it.</p><p>I&#8217;m not sure if many people watching it, besides me, derived any particular implications from this. Allow me to darkly hint. Camila Noceda had the sandal in her bag. She, evidently, carries it around everywhere. Very few viewers took this as a mark against the character of Camila Noceda. She is a normal mother, carrying a normal weapon with the primary purpose of assaulting children. </p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2" target="_blank" href="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!6UWj!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F06ee1d6e-f57e-4547-b291-d71e1df496d1_958x160.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!6UWj!, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/w_424, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/c_limit, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/f_webp, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/q_auto:good, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F06ee1d6e-f57e-4547-b291-d71e1df496d1_958x160.png 424w, /__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!6UWj!, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/w_848, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/c_limit, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/f_webp, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/q_auto:good, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F06ee1d6e-f57e-4547-b291-d71e1df496d1_958x160.png 848w, /__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!6UWj!, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/w_1272, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/c_limit, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/f_webp, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/q_auto:good, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F06ee1d6e-f57e-4547-b291-d71e1df496d1_958x160.png 1272w, /__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!6UWj!, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/w_1456, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/c_limit, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/f_webp, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/q_auto:good, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F06ee1d6e-f57e-4547-b291-d71e1df496d1_958x160.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!6UWj!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F06ee1d6e-f57e-4547-b291-d71e1df496d1_958x160.png" width="958" height="160" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/06ee1d6e-f57e-4547-b291-d71e1df496d1_958x160.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:160,&quot;width&quot;:958,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:39837,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/png&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:false,&quot;topImage&quot;:true,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:&quot;https://tetraspace.substack.com/i/174710383?img=https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F06ee1d6e-f57e-4547-b291-d71e1df496d1_958x160.png&quot;,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!6UWj!, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/w_424, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/c_limit, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/f_auto, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/q_auto:good, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F06ee1d6e-f57e-4547-b291-d71e1df496d1_958x160.png 424w, /__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!6UWj!, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/w_848, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/c_limit, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/f_auto, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/q_auto:good, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F06ee1d6e-f57e-4547-b291-d71e1df496d1_958x160.png 848w, /__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!6UWj!, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/w_1272, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/c_limit, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/f_auto, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/q_auto:good, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F06ee1d6e-f57e-4547-b291-d71e1df496d1_958x160.png 1272w, /__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!6UWj!, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/w_1456, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/c_limit, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/f_auto, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/q_auto:good, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F06ee1d6e-f57e-4547-b291-d71e1df496d1_958x160.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" fetchpriority="high"></picture><div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>Very realistic! </p><p>Though perhaps too subtle, if Dana Terrace was going for a story about child abuse, which she wasn&#8217;t, so it was just right.</p><div class="subscription-widget-wrap-editor" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://tetraspace.substack.com/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe&quot;,&quot;language&quot;:&quot;en&quot;}" data-component-name="SubscribeWidgetToDOM"><div class="subscription-widget show-subscribe"><div class="preamble"><p class="cta-caption">Tetrablog is a reader-supported publication. To receive new posts and support my work, consider becoming a free or paid subscriber.</p></div><form class="subscription-widget-subscribe"><input type="email" class="email-input" name="email" placeholder="Type your email&#8230;" tabindex="-1"><input type="submit" class="button primary" value="Subscribe"><div class="fake-input-wrapper"><div class="fake-input"></div><div class="fake-button"></div></div></form></div></div><p>Another way is to culturally translate the child abuse into something that truthfully depicts the meaning but not necessarily the action. We know, now, as adult viewers, that hitting children is wrong, that it&#8217;s not normal, that it&#8217;s not good, that hitting children makes you the villain. This is not the experience of children; most children experience being assaulted as an inescapable fact of life, perpetrated by their parents, who are nice and normal people, and who they often love. A true depiction of child abuse establishes both of these facets: a normal fact of life, a <em>violent crime</em>. And so it cannot be a truthful depiction of child abuse. </p><p>In Homestuck, John Egbert is a cartoon character. Dad Egbert is a faceless authority figure, who John tries to avoid, and who John doesn&#8217;t consider to be much of a negotiating partner who can be a good agent for John&#8217;s interests; when John does encounter his Dad for the first time in the comic, they get into a fairly intense physical fight. In the comic, this is called a Strife, modelled after a JRPG battle; in the pilot episode, we see John&#8217;s Dad slam him into a brick wall hard enough to break the wall. </p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!lYfG!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7661a213-565e-4da8-ba68-efa65dcdfdb4_1198x584.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!lYfG!, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/w_424, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/c_limit, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/f_webp, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/q_auto:good, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7661a213-565e-4da8-ba68-efa65dcdfdb4_1198x584.png 424w, 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Are we meant to take this as John&#8217;s Dad trying to murder him? No, of course not! It&#8217;s a cartoon fight, between cartoon characters. Immediately after this happens, John skids along the floor, and instead of being at minimum scratched up but likely too injured to move, he bounces back up like a cartoon character and gets right back into strifing.</p><p>We can take this as being a <em>metaphor</em> for John&#8217;s emotional state and relationships. He&#8217;s a 13 year old, his Dad is lame, he&#8217;d much rather be holed up in his room playing video games with his friends instead of his annoying Dad trying to <em>connect with him</em> and <em>talk to him</em> and <em>celebrate his birthday with him</em>. The genre tropes for what&#8217;s nice and normal in Homestuck, what nice and normal people do, is established; people do just have JRPG fights with their parents using lethal weapons, same as how people have hammerspaces where they can store objects, same as how there&#8217;s a weird mouse cursor which moves things around, same as how there&#8217;s a voice from above that&#8217;s telling John what to do and naming him Zoosmell Pooplord.</p><p>Later, we meet Dave Strider, who is going through much the same thing. Dave Strider sneaks around to avoid his Bro, who is looking after him; Dave Strider eventually encounters his Bro and they get into a swordfight; there&#8217;s a bunch of cartoon shenanigans, not out of line for what occurs in Homestuck, like the fridge being filled with puppets instead of food.</p><p>A while into living in the world of Sburb, being out of that situation, having not interacted with his Bro, Dave Strider thinks about his life and realises: <em>holy shit, that was fucked up</em>. </p><p>His Bro tried to hit him with swords! That&#8217;s not normal, that&#8217;s assault, against anyone else, that would be a crime! Dave Strider&#8217;s humorous obsession with Olive Garden was because at Olive Garden the unlimited breadsticks meant he could <em>reliably get enough food</em>! When his Bro isn&#8217;t around, he can let his guard down, instead of having to be prepared to defend against physical assault and injury! </p><p>Hang on, wait a moment. Wasn&#8217;t this just the alternate physics of Homestuck? How come what happened to John was fine, and what happened to Dave was super serious? </p><p>Well, take Dave&#8217;s point of view. From Dave&#8217;s point of view, being assaulted and food-insecure wasn&#8217;t particularly worth remarking on - it&#8217;s just how his life was. He might have had a bad time, but everyone has a bad time along some axes. John probably didn&#8217;t find the parts of the situation that Dave described to him too unusual, and even if John had, he was a powerless child, there wasn&#8217;t really anything that he could do. Dave is a kid, and he&#8217;s living his life as it is presented to him, and he&#8217;s not doing anything else because he only has one life and there isn&#8217;t anything else to do but live it.</p><p>If he tried to call CPS on Bro, he&#8217;d explain the situation, and maybe they&#8217;d ask some follow up questions or maybe they wouldn&#8217;t, but in the end, nothing would come of it. He could explain that he has Strifes with his Guardian, and they would nod and think to themselves that so does everyone. He could explain that the fridge is filled with puppets instead of food, and they&#8217;d nod, and they&#8217;d think to themselves that this is just the kind of shenanigan that happens in Homestuck the webcomic. </p><p>You, the reader, see John&#8217;s emotional reality, and you see Dave&#8217;s emotional reality, presented as a metaphor rather than as a recording. Everything is also <em>kind of</em> literally happening in-universe, because it&#8217;s a work of fiction, fiction is allowed to work in ways that aren&#8217;t taking a simulated world and playing it forwards, they&#8217;re allowed to poke your neurons in the pattern the author desires. I love metafiction for this.</p><p>What happens, how Dave gets out of it, is he gets older, and he leaves the situation, by factors beyond his control rather than by his own will. We could imagine that, had Sburb not taken place, maybe Dave would have realised Bro was abusive when he was older, or maybe just thought of Bro&#8217;s pattern of behaviour as something that he dislikes rather than reified it as a Thing with a Name that People can respect. Maybe he would have moved out the day he turned 18 once he&#8217;s allowed to escape the unpleasantness. He thinks about what happened to him, the way his implicit model of the world has been shaped by his past, and <em>then</em> we learn that Bro was abusive, that Bro was <em>not</em> like John&#8217;s Dad, too late to stop anything from happening, too late to change anything. Our emotional stance on the matter changes at the same time as Dave&#8217;s does.</p><p>Up until then, we got tricked. We all thought that what was happening was a normal part of life. We all thought that it was fine to assault children - or, if not fine, then not the kind of thing that varies, or that should be taken as a mark on one&#8217;s character.</p><p>Very realistic! </p>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[What Being Uncertain About AI Ruin Looks Like]]></title><description><![CDATA[Researchers have put forth arguments that AI is going to kill everyone.]]></description><link>https://tetraspace.substack.com/p/what-being-uncertain-about-ai-ruin</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://tetraspace.substack.com/p/what-being-uncertain-about-ai-ruin</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[💎 Tetraspace]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2025 07:02:02 GMT</pubDate><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Researchers have put forth arguments that AI is going to kill everyone. <em><a href="https://ifanyonebuildsit.com/">If Anyone Builds It, Everyone Dies</a></em> is a recently published book on the matter, aimed at putting the arguments in front of the public and policymakers; <a href="https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/uMQ3cqWDPHhjtiesc/agi-ruin-a-list-of-lethalities">AGI Ruin: A List of Lethalities</a> is a bullet-pointed compilation of the arguments; the <a href="https://intelligence.org/late-2021-miri-conversations/">Late 2021 MIRI Conversations</a> are what I think best persuaded me and clarified my thinking.</p><p>These are not arguments that AI has a tiny chance that it&#8217;s going to kill everyone but we should care anyway, nor are they arguments that we should shift directionally towards being more concerned about AI - they are arguments that AI is going to kill everyone.</p><p>Many people think that they are directionally aligned with these arguments and conclusions, when in fact they&#8217;re completely disagreeing with them. I will explain what they are doing, and what I think being directionally aligned with them would actually look like. </p><div class="subscription-widget-wrap-editor" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://tetraspace.substack.com/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe&quot;,&quot;language&quot;:&quot;en&quot;}" data-component-name="SubscribeWidgetToDOM"><div class="subscription-widget show-subscribe"><div class="preamble"><p class="cta-caption">Tetrablog is a reader-supported publication. To receive new posts and support my work, consider becoming a free or paid subscriber.</p></div><form class="subscription-widget-subscribe"><input type="email" class="email-input" name="email" placeholder="Type your email&#8230;" tabindex="-1"><input type="submit" class="button primary" value="Subscribe"><div class="fake-input-wrapper"><div class="fake-input"></div><div class="fake-button"></div></div></form></div></div><h1>Uncertainty is Reasonable</h1><p>Some people are <em>not</em> convinced immediately by these arguments upon reading them, because these arguments depend on facts about the world that they&#8217;re uncertain about. They therefore end up uncertain about whether AI is going to kill everyone; it might, it might not. Sometimes, they&#8217;ll express this as a probability, and say something like &#8220;I think there&#8217;s a 25% probability that AI kills everyone&#8220;, though the important part here is that they&#8217;re uncertain. </p><p>Being uncertain is reasonable! Being uncertain is how one should conduct oneself in a world where they&#8217;re not omniscient. Many debates about whether X is true or false look to people like there is a lot of evidence that is more likely if X is true, and a lot of evidence that&#8217;s more likely if X is not true, and overall, when considering all the evidence, the answer leans towards one direction or the other, with some room for uncertainty. The debate about whether AI will kill everyone is no different. Take a random lethality chosen from the List of Lethalities (I used a QRNG):</p><blockquote><p><strong>39</strong>. <strong>I figured this stuff out using the <a href="https://twitter.com/ESYudkowsky/status/1500863629490544645">null string</a> as input,</strong> and frankly, I have a hard time myself feeling hopeful about getting real alignment work out of somebody who previously sat around waiting for somebody else to input a persuasive argument into them. This ability to "notice lethal difficulties without Eliezer Yudkowsky arguing you into noticing them" currently is an opaque piece of cognitive machinery to me, I do not know how to train it into others. It probably relates to '<a href="https://intelligence.org/2017/11/25/security-mindset-ordinary-paranoia/">security mindset</a>', and a mental motion where you refuse to play out scripts, and being able to operate in a field that's in a state of chaos.</p></blockquote><p>It&#8217;s more likely that AI kills everyone if being able to notice lethal difficulties is a cognitive skill that can&#8217;t be reliably taught. However, lethality 39 being true doesn&#8217;t seal our fate; perhaps some people can learn this skill despite not previously having it without it being well understood, perhaps most alignment research doesn&#8217;t require one to have this skill, perhaps in the future training in this skill will be possible. So if you were uncertain whether or not AI will kill everyone, and then you come to believe that lethality 39 is true, then you will still be uncertain, just leaning further towards the position that AI will kill everyone.</p><p>If there is a lot of evidence for X over not X, then eventually these all add up until someone is comfortable just saying &#8220;X is true&#8221;; someone who thinks that every lethality highlighted in List of Lethalities is true thinks that they&#8217;re in a state of affairs that they&#8217;re so much more likely to see if AI will kill everyone that it&#8217;s reasonable for them to just sum up the state of affairs as &#8220;AI will kill everyone&#8221;.  </p><h1>Interpolating Actions is a Tempting Response to Uncertainty</h1><p>If AI is going to kill everyone, in the way that <em>If Anyone Builds It, Everyone Dies</em> or List of Lethalities highlights, then this implies that a certain course of action should be taken. If AI is not going to kill everyone, then this implies that we should do nothing in particular about AI. It is tempting to think that if AI might or might not kill everyone, then the correct course of action is to do something in between.</p><p>For example:</p><p><strong>Expending more resources solving easy alignment problems.</strong> This seems to be a direction that the people who want to cooperate with big labs are taking. Some of the arguments that AI kills everyone are that alignment is hard; interpolating between this and nothing is that alignment is easy. So we should have more alignment researchers working on easy alignment problems, and fewer working on hard alignment problems or things other than alignment. </p><p><strong>Dealing with situations where AI harms a lot of people, but doesn&#8217;t kill everyone.</strong> The <a href="https://futureoflife.org/focus-area/artificial-intelligence/">Future of Life Institute</a> has put a lot of effort into this: in addition to focusing on existential threats from AI, they also have pages on autonomous weapons, and cyberattacks, and deepfakes, and terrorists making bioweapons, under the same category. Some have accused notkilleveryoneists of being insincere, because stopping the use of AI in modern weapons is on this axis of interpolation between zero and stopping AI from killing everyone.</p><p><strong>Regulating AI in ways that slow it down a little bit.</strong> If AI will kill everyone, then all AI development should be stopped globally, and if AI won&#8217;t kill everyone, then no regulation is needed. If AI <em>might</em> kill everyone, then the interpolated action is to add additional regulation that makes AI development more expensive or adds additional requirements to AI development, without stopping it altogether.</p><p>Or, in general, things that look like:</p><blockquote><p>Even if you don&#8217;t buy all of the arguments, surely it&#8217;s worth being concerned about extinction anyway.</p></blockquote><p>I don&#8217;t think this is so; concern is not directly a tunable dial.</p><p>Not all of these are necessarily wrong! But they do not follow from partial acceptance of the arguments that AI will kill everyone; they follow from acceptance of arguments that AI will work in other, specific ways, that can be supported or unsupported by the evidence that AI kills everyone separately. </p><h1>What Does an Uncertain Policy Look Like?</h1><p>The best action to take in any circumstances is the action that, when you multiply the probability of it having that effect by how good that effect is, gives you the best average impact.</p><p>One way to create a policy that works well under uncertainty is a policy that has one effect if the world is some way, and some other effect if the world is some other way, so, no matter how the world is, the effect is good. </p><p>The obvious way to do this is to enact the conditional policy: &#8220;Check which way the world is. Then do what works best.&#8221; Note that this policy looks vastly different depending on how the world is - instead of averaging between all the good ideas, it does the specific good idea that works best given the circumstances. This isn&#8217;t always feasible - by the time you have to act, you often won&#8217;t have all the information.</p><p>Another way to do this is to enact a policy that&#8217;s robustly good. In <em>If Anyone Builds It</em>-style models of AI, the difference between AI killing everyone and AI not killing everyone is pretty stark; there isn&#8217;t really much room for interaction with AI that seems good in both cases. But one could imagine different situations where some actions are beneficial in many cases; regardless of which books will be published, it&#8217;s a good idea to learn to read.</p><p>I recommend: </p><p><strong>Account for where the possibility of survival comes from.</strong> The arguments that AI kills everyone say that AI will kill everyone. If you&#8217;re uncertain about those being true, and temper them to say that AI <em>might</em> kill everyone, think of what <em>specifically</em> happens that leads to AI not killing everyone, so that you can pick a policy that interacts with reality. By pinning down the specific reason survival happens, there&#8217;s no room left to come up with an interpolated policy somewhere in the middle that doesn&#8217;t help at all.</p><p><strong>Enact policies that will be helpful if it ends up being that AI will kill everyone anyway.</strong> Say you&#8217;re uncertain whether AI is perfectly safe or perfectly dangerous. Then slowing down AI is never very useful - if it&#8217;s dangerous, this just makes you die later, if it&#8217;s safe, then you miss out on shareholder value. But building the capacity to completely stop AGI development and then exercising that capacity if later there is more evidence that AI will kill everyone is sometimes useful - if AI is going to kill everyone, then this stops AI from killing everyone!</p><div class="subscription-widget-wrap-editor" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://tetraspace.substack.com/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe&quot;,&quot;language&quot;:&quot;en&quot;}" data-component-name="SubscribeWidgetToDOM"><div class="subscription-widget show-subscribe"><div class="preamble"><p class="cta-caption">Tetrablog is a reader-supported publication. To receive new posts and support my work, consider becoming a free or paid subscriber.</p></div><form class="subscription-widget-subscribe"><input type="email" class="email-input" name="email" placeholder="Type your email&#8230;" tabindex="-1"><input type="submit" class="button primary" value="Subscribe"><div class="fake-input-wrapper"><div class="fake-input"></div><div class="fake-button"></div></div></form></div></div>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Tour Montparnasse]]></title><description><![CDATA[that distinctive Parisian building]]></description><link>https://tetraspace.substack.com/p/tour-montparnasse</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://tetraspace.substack.com/p/tour-montparnasse</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[💎 Tetraspace]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2025 01:00:11 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ArI9!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2f542a7d-543b-49f5-82e4-f15955fb20f6_3000x3612.jpeg" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obviously, visiting Paris, I must visit the most characteristic landmark of Paris. That tower in Paris, the one that everyone knows about, the one that everyone loves. Appearing on many pieces of merch, on a Google search for &#8220;that building in Paris&#8221;, a distinctive icon of the Parisian skyline, it&#8217;s the Tour Montparnasse.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ArI9!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2f542a7d-543b-49f5-82e4-f15955fb20f6_3000x3612.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ArI9!, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/w_424, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/c_limit, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/f_webp, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/q_auto:good, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2f542a7d-543b-49f5-82e4-f15955fb20f6_3000x3612.jpeg 424w, 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/__u/substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ArI9!, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/w_1456, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/c_limit, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/f_auto, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/q_auto:good, /__u/tetraspace.substack.com/fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2f542a7d-543b-49f5-82e4-f15955fb20f6_3000x3612.jpeg 1456w" sizes="100vw" fetchpriority="high"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>What is Tour Montparnasse&#8217;s deal? Its purpose is as an office building. This purpose it fulfills, as indifferently as possible, little regard given to beauty. It&#8217;s just a giant office building, in the middle of Paris, anomalously higher than any other building in Paris, a huge dark-coloured block. It was hated at the time - there&#8217;s a joke that it gives the best views in Paris, because it&#8217;s the only place from which you can&#8217;t see the Tour Montparnasse. Buildings above seven floors were banned in central Paris, from 1975 to 2015.</p><p>It stands, as the second-tallest building in Paris, after the Tour Eiffel.</p><p>Why, then, am I so fond of it? Why does it captivate me so, why do I feel drawn to it?</p><p>One reason is that Tour Eiffel insists upon itself, in a way that Tour Montparnasse doesn&#8217;t. I appreciate Tour Eiffel as it was when it was built. People took Tour Eiffel as an imposition upon Paris, an alien Structure, built of steel instead of stone, as if it was placed there by some vast technological civilisation that only saw Paris as a good location for its purposes, the human settlement below an afterthought. But, despite looking like it and capturing my aesthetics in that sense, Tour Eiffel was <em>not</em> a symbol of indifference; it was the built as the centerpiece of the 1889 Paris Exposition, which was both an assembly of the world to celebrate the fruits of civilisation and of human striving, and a celebration of the centenniel of the French Revolution (more on that later, perhaps).</p><p>Today, though? The Tour Eiffel exists for the purpose of being the Tour Eiffel, and its meaning is that you should come to the Tour Eiffel so you can look at the Tour Eiffel. As you step inside the Boulevard P&#233;riph&#233;rique, picnic blankets selling small models of the Tour Eiffel start appearing; when you get closer to the Tour Eiffel, or indeed any landmark in Paris, their density increases. I can only imagine, though I haven&#8217;t yet approached the tower itself, that as you arrive at it, the ground is thick with picnic blankets and small models of Tour Eiffel, each step requiring one wade through the mass, brushing the small models of Tour Eiffel aside. </p><p>I <em>am</em> going to visit Tour Eiffel at some point - my distaste is a little affected, a tower is a tower, a tower with a story is beautiful - though I haven&#8217;t done so yet.</p><p>Tour Montparnasse, then, is the viewpoint of Paris that exists for the purpose of seeing Paris. Nobody likes Tour Montparnasse. Nobody bears fond feelings for Tour Montparnasse. If you work there, you work in a building like any other. And if you visit the observation deck, then you visit the observation deck for the purpose of seeing Paris, and not the purpose of visiting the observation deck.</p><p>What do you see when you&#8217;re in Tour Montparnasse? The observation deck has two floors, an enclosed deck with windows and the rooftop of the tower.</p><div class="image-gallery-embed" data-attrs="{&quot;gallery&quot;:{&quot;images&quot;:[{&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/jpeg&quot;,&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/363e6e97-f7ef-4148-8306-bbed2d333420_3000x4000.jpeg&quot;},{&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/jpeg&quot;,&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/d1e45278-3389-4f3f-b710-6b086bce0a1d_3000x4000.jpeg&quot;},{&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/jpeg&quot;,&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/1cd817e0-3f1e-4722-9341-527423dc7206_3000x4000.jpeg&quot;},{&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/jpeg&quot;,&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/e25c0db7-8554-4288-80f5-9074ee1613cd_3000x4000.jpeg&quot;}],&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;staticGalleryImage&quot;:{&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/png&quot;,&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/5877a79c-d549-4243-ba36-8e3bb1b0b7da_1456x1456.png&quot;}},&quot;isEditorNode&quot;:true}"></div><p>From the deck, you can see across all of Paris. I will remark on the picture of Tour Eiffel; notice how, in the background, you can see those tall buildings, a commercial district called la Defence, and in the middle of those tall buildings the Grande Arche? This is part of something that Paris loves to do, building its monuments in straight lines. The Grande Arche is positioned such that it lies at the intersection of the straight line drew by Tour Montparnasse and Tour Eiffel, and the straight line drew by the Louvre, the Arc de Triomphe du Carrousel, the Obelisk, and the Arc de Triomph (the latter straight line is called the Axe historique). This permits one to line up some beautiful views of many historical monuments at once; if I&#8217;d put a little more effort into the photography, I&#8217;d have a flawless Tour Montparnasse - Tour Eiffel - Grande Arche line.</p><p>The theme of the deck itself is Paris throughout history. Dotted around the deck are four VR goggles, which show you what Paris looked like from Tour Montparnasse during various time periods - the Roman settlement of Lutetia, medieval Paris, industrial age Paris freshly after the construction of the Tour Eiffel, and finally (in VR, but also visible with your own two eyes) modern Paris.</p><p>In a section of the deck tucked out of the way, there a series of poster boards describing the impressive buildings of Paris throughout the ages.</p><div class="image-gallery-embed" data-attrs="{&quot;gallery&quot;:{&quot;images&quot;:[{&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/jpeg&quot;,&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/f9c4fb7d-5892-4b64-a252-fe9fa06fc45d_3000x4000.jpeg&quot;},{&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/jpeg&quot;,&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/505731fa-7876-4615-8a7c-d0b716f4e0dd_3000x4000.jpeg&quot;},{&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/jpeg&quot;,&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/cac2ff2e-d8be-4a95-9149-3540cfeb5f0a_3000x4000.jpeg&quot;},{&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/jpeg&quot;,&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/8325d5d9-71f2-46cb-ab48-0a19d7b81af4_3000x4000.jpeg&quot;},{&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/jpeg&quot;,&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/e7de247d-1471-4d82-9cbe-cbd97739cb23_3000x4000.jpeg&quot;}],&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;staticGalleryImage&quot;:{&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/png&quot;,&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/38dea0f2-a97c-4636-b039-4793f0fd3661_1456x1210.png&quot;}},&quot;isEditorNode&quot;:true}"></div><p>In a small concession to self-importance, the final board presents Tour Montparnasse and a planned commercial development as the impressive building of the future. It&#8217;s an enjoyable bit when observation decks do this - the Umeda Sky Tower does the same to a much greater extent - and sure, whatever, you&#8217;ve earned it.</p><p>Up to the roof. The roof gives pretty much the same views as the deck, only being a few floors higher, though might be a little bit nicer on a partly cloudy day because of the unbeatable ventilation. Currently, the rooftop deck is surrounded by a small exhibition called Panoramart, which gives the view of the future that Tour Montparnasse wants to present.</p><div class="image-gallery-embed" data-attrs="{&quot;gallery&quot;:{&quot;images&quot;:[{&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/jpeg&quot;,&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/1fe0b65a-daed-44ea-bc5d-4226bd27cbeb_3000x4000.jpeg&quot;},{&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/jpeg&quot;,&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/47a87e9b-68fa-4ea6-bd6e-23576da2b73e_3000x4000.jpeg&quot;},{&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/jpeg&quot;,&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/3f7feb9e-eeee-46a4-a683-bf57b3854982_4000x3000.jpeg&quot;},{&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/jpeg&quot;,&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/db7c1dfa-0e24-466e-8a1d-18138a611303_3000x4000.jpeg&quot;}],&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;staticGalleryImage&quot;:{&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/png&quot;,&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/4a0a35a8-dfb1-4680-a638-34cabe0d5a35_1456x1456.png&quot;}},&quot;isEditorNode&quot;:true}"></div><p>When I read this, I thought to myself: <em>Oh, so that&#8217;s where Claude gets it from!</em> The view of the future that Montparnasse gives you is, in both content and phrasing, about the same view of the future that I get from Claude, when I ask it to write about utopian futures and don&#8217;t guide it strictly. &#8220;Every invention carries the promise of progress,&#8221; it says, and I recognise that phrase (whatever it means) from the little vignettes I&#8217;ve asked Claude to write sometimes. It&#8217;s fitting; Claude is a French name, after all. Europe is the continent of being normal and chill about things, so it makes perfect sense that a language model&#8217;s distillation of every human word then guided to say nothing that might offend matches the normal and chill vision of the future that Europe presents to you.</p><p>I enjoy Tour Montparnasse&#8217;s contextualisation of itself in Paris, and think that it was a great choice for the observation deck. I didn&#8217;t get much out of Taipei 101 because I didn&#8217;t have very much context on Taipei, and didn&#8217;t really know what I was looking out at other than a different city; Tour Montparnasse tries to deliver this by giving the four-dimensional history of the region, from the past to the near future.</p><p></p><div class="subscription-widget-wrap-editor" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://tetraspace.substack.com/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe&quot;,&quot;language&quot;:&quot;en&quot;}" data-component-name="SubscribeWidgetToDOM"><div class="subscription-widget show-subscribe"><div class="preamble"><p class="cta-caption">Tetrablog is a reader-supported publication. 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